WWE Backlash

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

"Is anyone else tired of Benjamin yet?"

 

Yeah, I mean, 3 weeks is just way too much, man.

 

Who the hell wrote this? Scott Keith?

Coffey did I think.

 

 

 

I'm getting tired of that over-rated loser named Rene Dupree getting a upper midcard push because theres none left. Damn WWE for experimenting with new people. (gets Austin on phone) Hello Steve, we need you to fight HHH on RAW Main Events for the next 6 months while we put the black guy in a feud with the spanish guy.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

"Is anyone else tired of Benjamin yet?"

 

Yeah, I mean, 3 weeks is just way too much, man.

 

Who the hell wrote this? Scott Keith?

Coffey did I think.

 

 

 

I'm getting tired of that over-rated loser named Rene Dupree getting a upper midcard push because theres none left. Damn WWE for experimenting with new people. (gets Austin on phone) Hello Steve, we need you to fight HHH on RAW Main Events for the next 6 months while we put the black guy in a feud with the spanish guy.

I can definitely see where you're coming from about new pushes, but look at Shelton Benjamin.

 

I've got a feeling that Rene Dupree will surprise.

[Guest Coffey]

I think you people are jumping the gun on your bashing of me. You could at least read what I said and try to comprehend what I'm saying. I'm not saying that I hate Shelton Benjamin, nor am I saying that what he has done already is to the point where it's boring. What I'm trying to say is that if WWE isn't careful, they're going to push him too hard and he's going to get rejected. Look at Randy Orton. Look at Brock Lesnar. Eventually they could (Brock did) become something, but the first few months were not pretty. Especially in the heat department.

 

"Is anyone else tired of Benjamin yet?" As in, are you getting tired of him being thrust down our throat yet? His first win over Triple H was great. They then should've moved him onto something. Instead, he gets a rematch and wins by countout. That doesn't really matter. Now he has a PPV match with Ric Flair. If he beats Flair, that doesn't really matter. He should be expected to beat Flair. After Flair, what? A match with Randy Orton for the Intercontinental title? Hopefully. Of course, it'll probably be a match against Batista (even though he is half of the current tag team champions as well). Then he'll get his shot at Orton. So, we'll have to wait for another month of nothing. The clear road could get foggy very quickly.

 

You can push a guy without him being in the main event slot week in and week out. You can push a guy without him only fighting main eventers. You can push a guy in the midcard, it is possible. That's what the midcard belts are supposed to be for. Instead, we have Randy Orton with the title, and he hasn't defended it in months. He gets thrown into three-on-two matches and a couple non-title matches here and there. Finally, he is going to defend the title...against a retired wrestler in a hardcore match.... It'd have been better for Benjamin to upset Orton for the Intercontinental title the second week. Have Triple H put him up to it. He could say "It was a fluke that you beat me. You have to earn your chance to face me again. You'll face Randy Orton! I'm so confident that you'll lose to Orton, that he'll put his IC title on the line!" Then the match would happen, Foley could distract Orton, or some shit like that, and Benjamin could win the IC belt. It would help him more than it is helping Orton. The Orton/Foley match wouldn't be for the title. A title would change hands on Raw. Benjamin would have something to do (IC division), Flair & Batista could focus on tag teams, and it would throw another log onto the fire of the Evolution break-up.

 

Well, Shelton is pretty much on the other end of the spectrum. He got a good reaction when he beat Triple H the first time. The second time, the crowd wasn't nearly as loud. I would even speculate that they weren't as loud not in part to the crowd being worse than the crowd the week before, but because it didn't matter as much. Now he has a PPV match coming up with Ric Flair, and it doesn't prove anything. I'm sure his reaction will be even more lackluster. Especially considering it's Ric Flair and in Canada. It's going to continue to get worse to the point that no one cares any more. Just like Rob Van Dam.

 

Of course, half you bastards can't read any goddamn way and just sit there like sheep in front of your computer waiting to bash someone's opinion before thinking anything you say through, so I guess it doesn't really matter what I fucking say. Continue on with your majority opinion on everything, and never think for yourselves. God forbid someone have a different opinion.

 

Don't even talk about "what the marks think." If you're not a mark, you don't know what they think. You can't guess what the majority feel. You can't base your hypothesis on your four or five mark friends either.

[clean rob 0]

I think you people are jumping the gun on your bashing of me.

Are you talking to me? Because if you are, I think you are confusing 'bashing' with 'having a differing opinion to'. I respect your opinions, I just don't happen to agree with some of them.

 

Now he has a PPV match with Ric Flair. If he beats Flair, that doesn't really matter. He should be expected to beat Flair.

Here's where I disagree. Flair is still sold as a danger in the ring. He's part of the dominant stable on Raw, which also contains HHH. Beating Flair will achieve 2 things (hopefully):

i) It will get Shelton his first PPV singles victory, against an extremely established name.

ii) It sends a message to HHH; I've beaten one of your guys, and I'm coming after you.

 

It'd have been better for Benjamin to upset Orton for the Intercontinental title the second week. Have Triple H put him up to it. He could say "It was a fluke that you beat me. You have to earn your chance to face me again. You'll face Randy Orton! I'm so confident that you'll lose to Orton, that he'll put his IC title on the line!" Then the match would happen, Foley could distract Orton, or some shit like that, and Benjamin could win the IC belt. It would help him more than it is helping Orton. The Orton/Foley match wouldn't be for the title. A title would change hands on Raw. Benjamin would have something to do (IC division), Flair & Batista could focus on tag teams, and it would throw another log onto the fire of the Evolution break-up.

Yeah, that would have been good (I seriously cannot see the point of the IC title being on the line in the Foley/Orton match - the feud needs no title.), although then you'd still have to have the HHH/Shelton rematch.

 

He got a good reaction when he beat Triple H the first time. The second time, the crowd wasn't nearly as loud. I would even speculate that they weren't as loud not in part to the crowd being worse than the crowd the week before, but because it didn't matter as much.

Well, look at it this way...how surprised were you when Shelton won the first time? How about the second time? Not nearly as much, huh? Plus the match wasn't nearly as good second time round. And yeah, of course it didn't matter as much, but that doesn't mean it didn't matter at all.

 

Of course, half you bastards can't read any goddamn way and just sit there like sheep in front of your computer waiting to bash someone's opinion before thinking anything you say through, so I guess it doesn't really matter what I fucking say. Continue on with your majority opinion on everything, and never think for yourselves. God forbid someone have a different opinion.

Well quite.

 

Don't even talk about "what the marks think." If you're not a mark, you don't know what they think. You can't guess what the majority feel. You can't base your hypothesis on your four or five mark friends either.

Why not? Any hypotheses (which is all they are after all) I make about the thoughts of the marks are bound to be derived from what my mark friends think, plus the crowd reactions on TV.

[Guest Coffey]

No Rob, I wasn't talking about you. I think you make good points, and you're a good debater. My beef was with the trolls that just chimed in to mock me with sarcastic comments. That shit pisses me off. Calling me Scott Keith or saying I hate him for the sake of hating. That's horse shit. Anyone who reads my posts around here should know that I'm usually a lot more positive than I am negative. I try to voice my own opinion, and I've been known to get a lot of negative flak because my opinion usually goes against the majority.

[clean rob 0]

Oh, OK. Fair enough.

[Guest Goodear]

What I'm trying to say is that if WWE isn't careful, they're going to push him too hard and he's going to get rejected. Look at Randy Orton. Look at Brock Lesnar. Eventually they could (Brock did) become something, but the first few months were not pretty. Especially in the heat department.

 

I think a lot of people on the net overstate the case of someone getting pushed too hard a bit too much. Orton has gotten over during this Mick Foley feud thanks in large part to Foley's promos and the like, its just not the kind of heel heat that people are used to anymore. Fans have gotten so conditioned to cheering heels they like, that they expect that reaction. However, Orton is the type of heel that people don't cheer because he's not 'cool' in any way. He's a big jerk. So if I were most people, I would pay less attention to his entrance and more to the pop he gets whenever he loses, because its substantial. ANYWAY not trying to get into Orton again... the point is that those first few months of awkward were totally worth it in my mind for the end result and I don't see any signs of that happening to Shelton because he's skilled and different... which I'll get into later.

 

His first win over Triple H was great. They then should've moved him onto something. Instead, he gets a rematch and wins by countout. That doesn't really matter.

 

I think you're wrong about that considering the circumstances of having Triple H have all three of his guys around the ring there. It was upon Triple H to win that match considering how much he talked about how Shelton was not in his league. HHH also stacked the deck considerably and still didn't win. At this point after three strait losses (four if you count the tag match) I would not be surprised to see them run and angle about this losing streak.

 

Now he has a PPV match with Ric Flair. If he beats Flair, that doesn't really matter. He should be expected to beat Flair. After Flair, what? A match with Randy Orton for the Intercontinental title? Hopefully. Of course, it'll probably be a match against Batista (even though he is half of the current tag team champions as well). Then he'll get his shot at Orton. So, we'll have to wait for another month of nothing. The clear road could get foggy very quickly.

 

I'm confused, on one hand you seem to be complaining that they are pushing Shelton too fast and on the other, you're saying that he is doing nothing if he faces the lesser members of Evolution. These seem to contradictory. Beating Flair and Batista mean something, not a whole ton, but something and thats what they need to do with Benjamin... build up a whole lot of little somethings to create one big whole.

 

You can push a guy without him being in the main event slot week in and week out. You can push a guy without him only fighting main eventers. You can push a guy in the midcard, it is possible.

 

He fought Triple H twice and only once was in the 'main event' of a show (which is piddling semantics but whatever). The first was there to mark him as a serious contender to the RAW crowd and m,ake sure they pay attention to him. The second was to show that it wasn't a complete fluke but he still has walls to climb. Last week was to have him get the rub off the three most popular babyfaces on RAW and have him further establish his character who doesn't back down. The attack on Flair backstage showed that extremely well in my veiw. Shelton is aggressive and takes the fight to his opponents... which is both a strength and a weakness. Good writing.

 

It'd have been better for Benjamin to upset Orton for the Intercontinental title the second week. Have Triple H put him up to it. He could say "It was a fluke that you beat me. You have to earn your chance to face me again. You'll face Randy Orton! I'm so confident that you'll lose to Orton, that he'll put his IC title on the line!"

 

But then again you're getting into the area of too much too soon by having the tag team guy from Smackdown win the IC belt in the second week of his push. Face it man, Flair and/or Batista are a great option for Shelton right now. Who would be a legitimate IC contender for Benjamin that is more over and more pushed in the IC realm anyway that isn't already tied up with someone? And please don't say Matt Hardy considering you're holding a job a year ago to Rico against Flair.

 

Now he has a PPV match coming up with Ric Flair, and it doesn't prove anything. I'm sure his reaction will be even more lackluster. Especially considering it's Ric Flair and in Canada. It's going to continue to get worse to the point that no one cares any more. Just like Rob Van Dam.

 

Shelton is a better interview and wrestler than Van Damn already and that can carry him through facing Ric Flair in Canada (who love Flair? Must have missed that one). His reaction suffered in the second Triple H match because it wasn't as good or as special as the first one. Thats it. No one held it against him in the 8-man.

[JN News 0]

Damn Meltzer and his fasination with ladder matches.

 

Next weeks rumor: Eddie vs. Bradhsaw in a ladder match!!! ::ejaculates::

 

Credit: Dave Meltzer

 

 

GOLD!

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Seriously, if it were given the Ladder Match stipulation and it was worse than at Judgment Day 2003, Meltzer would say no bad about the show.