ANOTHER Barry Bonds thread

[Guest Redhawk]

I just wanted to get people's reasoning for the notable amount of Bonds-hatred on this board. Is it Bonds you don't like, or is it ESPN's treatment of Bonds? If it is Barry, what's your beef with him?

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I like Barry Bonds. I don't judge him by his attitude, just his performance. He's never been in trouble with the law, so I don't think he's a bad person. I blame ESPN for over-hyping it. Giving it air-time is fine, but interrupting everything else devalues it.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Its ESPN

 

and its only going to get worse if he manages to get near Ruth's 714 this year (which is possible)..

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Agreed. I like Barry Bonds. I think he is the best player in baseball right now, but ESPN is just being rediculous. Wake me when he passes Ruth. Then the end is sight.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I like Bonds. I like him because he's the best player to play the game in my lifetime. And I respect that. Other than my personal favorite players like Vlad and Ichiro...he's the only player in the game that I get real excited to see step up to the plate. So I guess that makes me a fan.

[Guest Anglesault]

Bonds, as a person, seems to be a Grade A asshole. You almost never hear of good encounters between him and fans, ex teammates rarely have good things to say, and he has this horrible habit of sticking his foot in his mouth.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Him and most other great players like him.

 

Cobb killed someone and was a huge racist.

 

Ruth was a womanizing drunk.

 

They just didn't live in the media age. And it's good that they didn't...or Cobb would have been in and out of jail.

 

Now that I think of it...I wish Ty Cobb played now...that would be interesting.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I would have liked to see what happened if Clemens plunked Cobb with a pitch.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

We'd get alot of stories about how Cobb is a "competitor," and he "plays the game right."

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Well...I think he did play the game right. It's off the field and the occasional spike to the gut that were wrong. But the way he'd maufacture runs out of fear would have been an amazing game watching experience.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I can't stand the guy at all. For starters he's a grade A asshole like someone else mentioned but I can live with that so let's go into why I really don't like him. He crowds the plate 90% of the time he comes to bat and is armored up like a freaking memeber of the SWAT team. I get sick of seeing him dog it when he's running out a lazy fly ball and the way that he stands there forever to admire anything he pops into the air. If you've hit 660 HRs in your career why not act like it? His post WS tirade and the fact that he actually tired to compare the hate mail he was getting to Aaron was a complete joke as well. Pulling the race card over the steroids stuff even though white players are in trouble too. The ESPN coverage doesn't help. They cling to the smallest thing he does and then try to make him into a saint.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I am niether pro or anti-Bonds. First, I will add my note of hating ESPN interrupting anything for his magic at bat where he likely strikes out (go Clemens!).

 

It means nothing now anyway. Wow, he passed Willie. too bad he doesn't actually hold the record, making the coverage pointless. Wake me up for when Bonds reachs Aarons record. Hopefully, before so Icould plot ways to pay off someone to break something.

 

<<<Doesn't want Bonds to break record.

 

I was pissed off enough at Jucier Mcwire and bat-corcker Sosa for breaking Roger Maris' record, now this will suck even more of Bonds gets #75whatever.

[MrRant 0]

Spelling and using the space bar properly goes a long way.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Steroids + attitude problems + over-exposure + overrated place in baseball history + my general dislike of ESPN fellating MLB far too often = me hating Barry Bonds with a passion.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

This is for all the hardcore Bonds fans* out there. Remember this when Barry passes Babe Ruth..........Ruth did it in less games......and Bonds isn't a career .300 hitter......HA HA HA HA HA HA

 

*From Pittsburgh and hates Barry Bonds

[Guest OctoberBlood]

I don't hate Bonds, but I don't love him or anything either. He is one of the best to ever play, hands down. But his attitude torwards certain things is what pisses me off. Do I think he's taken steroids? Nope. Until theres some actual real proof, then I'll just sit back and watch..

[alfdogg 0]

Eh. I'm pretty much indifferent to Bonds. A-Rod is better all around, though, IMO. So was Griffey before he gut hurt.

 

That said, I find it funny how much everyone talks about Bonds as it relates to steroids, when, out of him, Giambi and Sheff, Giambi was the only one who came in looking noticeably smaller.

[Fuzzy Dunlop 0]

I hate Bonds for the time he charged the mound and never dropped the bat.

[Guest Goodear]

Remember this when Barry passes Babe Ruth..........Ruth did it in less games......and Bonds isn't a career .300 hitter......HA HA HA HA HA HA

And if Babe Ruth had done a situp once in a while he might have had a longer career to hit more homeruns! BWA HA HA HA HA ! No wait...

 

I think Bonds as a jerk has been propagated mostly by bitter media types who want to be buddies with major leaguers and now are face-to-face with the best player of the generation not wanting anything to do with them. So what if Barry is surly to people, its not his job to be likeable. But its beaten into the ground time and again that he's a bad guy, like he bunches pregnant woman in the stomach while players that deal drugs and possibly rape women are nice young men.

 

Passing Willie Mayes on the homerun list obviously meant a great deal to those two men since they have an obviously close relationship which can only be intensified by the death of Barry's father last year. The fact that ESPN couldn';t shut up about it is on them.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

I personally have never met Barry Bonds, so I have no place in calling him an asshole. His "mistreatment" of the media is something that I have defended over and over again in countless bar arguements. The bottom line is simply that he doesn't have to be a nice guy. Period. If you don't like him too fucking bad. The reason that I don't like him is simple: I think that it is about 99.999% certain that he uses steroids. All you have to do is look at his body and how it exploded. Not just muscle mass, but overall mass. The guy went from a string bean to a freaking mountain. That's not something that a person does in his late 30's, early 40's without becomming a serious weightlifter. Which Bonds certainly is not.

 

To me that is the ultimate insult to:

1. The fans who pay to see him play. (who are also, imo, fools)

2. The players whose records he has passed and will continue to do so.

3. Ever single major league player who is not using steroids.

 

 

The bottom line is... he's cheating (imo). Not only that, but he is constantly being rewarded for it and it sickens me to the point where I no longer watch the MLB. This coming from a person who once had aspirations of watching a game in every ballpark (and had been to 10 as of 5 years ago). Now it's all minors for me, and have currently gone to 6 minor league ballparks will the intention of seeing as many as possible.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I personally have never met Barry Bonds, so I have no place in calling him an asshole. His "mistreatment" of the media is something that I have defended over and over again in countless bar arguements. The bottom line is simply that he doesn't have to be a nice guy. Period. If you don't like him too fucking bad. The reason that I don't like him is simple: I think that it is about 99.999% certain that he uses steroids. All you have to do is look at his body and how it exploded. Not just muscle mass, but overall mass. The guy went from a string bean to a freaking mountain. That's not something that a person does in his late 30's, early 40's without becomming a serious weightlifter. Which Bonds certainly is not.

 

To me that is the ultimate insult to:

1. The fans who pay to see him play. (who are also, imo, fools)

2. The players whose records he has passed and will continue to do so.

3. Ever single major league player who is not using steroids.

 

 

The bottom line is... he's cheating (imo). Not only that, but he is constantly being rewarded for it and it sickens me to the point where I no longer watch the MLB. This coming from a person who once had aspirations of watching a game in every ballpark (and had been to 10 as of 5 years ago). Now it's all minors for me, and have currently gone to 6 minor league ballparks will the intention of seeing as many as possible.

I've met Bonds personally.....he IS an asshole.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

I personally have never met Barry Bonds, so I have no place in calling him an asshole.  His "mistreatment" of the media is something that I have defended over and over again in countless bar arguements.  The bottom line is simply that he doesn't have to be a nice guy. Period.  If you don't like him too fucking bad.  The reason that I don't like him is simple:  I think that it is about 99.999% certain that he uses steroids.  All you have to do is look at his body and how it exploded.  Not just muscle mass, but overall mass.  The guy went from a string bean to a freaking mountain.  That's not something that a person does in his late 30's, early 40's without becomming a serious weightlifter.  Which Bonds certainly is not.

 

To me that is the ultimate insult to:

1. The fans who pay to see him play. (who are also, imo, fools)

2. The players whose records he has passed and will continue to do so.

3. Ever single major league player who is not using steroids.

 

 

The bottom line is... he's cheating (imo).  Not only that, but he is constantly being rewarded for it and it sickens me to the point where I no longer watch the MLB.  This coming from a person who once had aspirations of watching a game in every ballpark (and had been to 10 as of 5 years ago).  Now it's all minors for me, and have currently gone to 6 minor league ballparks will the intention of seeing as many as possible.

I've met Bonds personally.....he IS an asshole.

Okay, I'll bite.. Where did you meet him, as in.. did you approach him away from the ballpark? Was he in uniform? At a fundraiser of some sort?

 

My reasoning for not caring what kind of a person he is outside of baseball stems from my personal stance that I would be the same way. People constantly bothering him while out to dinner or whatever. That shit would drive me nuts. Yes I know.. he could just retire or not play baseball or whatever, but people act like he OWES them his time and good graces when in reality he provides a service that people pay for.

[sfaJack 0]

Hey, how about that fan in McCovey Cove who retrieved both #660 AND #661? I think I heard that on the radio today (forget the guy's name though) and was blown away. What are the odds of THAT?

[Dr. Tom 0]

I like Bonds, but I don't like ESPN riding his jock all the time. He's definitely the best ballplayer I've seen in my lifetime, and a lead-pipe cinch to walk into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, even if his career ended tomorrow. As for steroids, I'm not going to judge him without the facts. I couldn't care less that Bonds is surly with the media. Most reporters are tards who ask the same stupid questions over and over... I wouldn't bother trying to be nice to them, either.

[2GOLD 0]

Bonds seems like one of those guys raised in the Bobby Knight way of thinking. If you want him to respect you, respect him. If you don't know him personally, don't be calling him Barry like you are his best friend. It seems like the people he signs for call him "Mr. Bonds" so that might just be a thing with him.

 

I respect Bonds as a player, he doesn't want to sit out for anything unless he feels like he is hurting his team by being on the field. He's easily the most feared hitter in baseball today.

 

He'll easily go down with the most homeruns in baseball history, it's just a question of how many he'll end up with. And he seems like he has become more humble and soft spoken to the media since his father passed on.

 

And although it's not a huge deal, passing Willie Mays is a damn big deal to Bonds and a big deal to the Giants organization. Now if ESPN pops into a game every time he is up to bat till he passes Aaron, then we have a problem.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

I like Bonds, but I don't like ESPN riding his jock all the time. He's definitely the best ballplayer I've seen in my lifetime, and a lead-pipe cinch to walk into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, even if his career ended tomorrow. As for steroids, I'm not going to judge him without the facts. I couldn't care less that Bonds is surly with the media. Most reporters are tards who ask the same stupid questions over and over... I wouldn't bother trying to be nice to them, either.

If I were involved in the HoF voting I would insist on a steroid test prior to his inclusion. His association with Balcor (er, is that right?) is enough to get me thinking. I just would not want to include him in the Hall if there's a chance that he might possibly at one point maybe tried steroids.

[Guest NCJ]

To the guy who said it took Bonds longer than Ruth this is true, but it also took Bonds about a thousand less strikeouts, over 350 more stolen bases, and playing in a much tougher era considering Ruth still played in the time of segregation in baseball. I like Barry Bonds as a person and a player. As a person simply because he is honest and dosen't hide his true feelings from anyone. Bonds probably is an asshole, I can't say I have never met the man, but the fact is I would rather a person be the same all the time instead of constantly acting like a nice guy then hearing all kinds of terrible things about them. Bonds is hated because he knows how good he is and dosen't mind telling anyone about it when he started playing in a time when it was better to be humble. If Bonds had started to play baseball 2 years ago I think he would have been seen differently. That is just speculation, but as far as the steroids go have you all paid attention to Barry throughout his career or have you just seen before and after pictures. Barry didn't blowup overnight like some people like to claim. It has been a gradual build. He has gotten bigger over time, and if you work out and eat right you will gain alot of muscle mass when you get older. The prime time for men to put on weight is from 35 to 40. What kind of weight you put on depends on the person and the activities that they do. I can't say wheter or not Barry did roids or not, but he and Rafael Polmaro both came into the bigs as smaller guys and have gotten bigger and produced better power numbers as they have gotten older. Mark McGwire is a much better example of someone who got alot bigger quicker. Not to say he did steriods, but McGwire, along with admitted steriod users Ken Caminiti, and Jose Conseco are all better examples of something else that happens to steriod abusers. They break down quicker. Those three players in careers that are between 16 to 17 years played in less than 140 games atleast 7 or more seasons. McGwire(16 season 7 season less than 140 games played) Caminiti(16 seasons 7 seasons less than 140 games played) Conseco(17 seasons 11 seasons less than 140 games played). That is not even counting seasons before they were full time players for the first time. If I started with their debut season I would add another 1 to McGwire, 2 to Caminiti, and 1 to Conseco. Bonds in 18 full seasons counting his debut season only has four season with less than 140. That includes last year when he missed some games because of his fathers illness and death. If Bonds is using he has somehow managed to avoid all the injuries that plauge other steriod users(see HHH in 2002 to 2003 for further examples).

[Guest NCJ]

I like Bonds, but I don't like ESPN riding his jock all the time.  He's definitely the best ballplayer I've seen in my lifetime, and a lead-pipe cinch to walk into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, even if his career ended tomorrow.  As for steroids, I'm not going to judge him without the facts.  I couldn't care less that Bonds is surly with the media.  Most reporters are tards who ask the same stupid questions over and over... I wouldn't bother trying to be nice to them, either.

If I were involved in the HoF voting I would insist on a steroid test prior to his inclusion. His association with Balcor (er, is that right?) is enough to get me thinking. I just would not want to include him in the Hall if there's a chance that he might possibly at one point maybe tried steroids.

Would you require it for every hall of fame inductee from the late 80's through the 90's? What about McGwire? If Giambi stays healthy long enough he will put up hall of fame type numbers what about him? I really don't think you could make that a rule that would stand.

[Guest MikeSC]

Remember this when Barry passes Babe Ruth..........Ruth did it in less games......and Bonds isn't a career .300 hitter......HA HA HA HA HA HA 

And if Babe Ruth had done a situp once in a while he might have had a longer career to hit more homeruns! BWA HA HA HA HA ! No wait...

 

I think Bonds as a jerk has been propagated mostly by bitter media types who want to be buddies with major leaguers and now are face-to-face with the best player of the generation not wanting anything to do with them. So what if Barry is surly to people, its not his job to be likeable. But its beaten into the ground time and again that he's a bad guy, like he bunches pregnant woman in the stomach while players that deal drugs and possibly rape women are nice young men.

 

Passing Willie Mayes on the homerun list obviously meant a great deal to those two men since they have an obviously close relationship which can only be intensified by the death of Barry's father last year. The fact that ESPN couldn';t shut up about it is on them.

Indeed. Imagine how well people like Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams would have been received by the press of today. Heck, from all I've read, Barry doesn't APPROACH Joe's level of dickosity.

-=Mike

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

People would probably like Williams, if only because of him being in the war. I agree about DiMaggio.

 

I will guarantee that if they were around today, Lou Gherig would be far more popular than Babe Ruth.