TNA paying for missed ROH dates

[Guest TDinDC1112]

http://www.pwinsider.com/elite/ViewArticle.asp?id=1989&p=1

 

As reported by Mike Johnson.

 

 

Well, even the most staunch anti-TNA people about this situation said if TNA would pay for these dates, then there's not much wrong with this mess. The issue was that TNA was pulling gusy without compensating them. If they're going to do this, then I for one fully support their point of view that their guys should not be working ROH. I believed this anyway, but if they weren't paying them to in a sense not work, then I thought it was pretty low of them. Now, I have no problems.

 

Also, Meltzer wrote in this week's Observer that the wresters only have themselves to blame because the contracts they signed were worded in a way that they knew this could happen.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Well, as much as this situation aggrivates me, TNA took the high road......and I applaud them for it.

[Michrome 0]

The high road? You mean paying the wrestlers because of all the negative press after taking advantage of a vague contract in order to deny their workers the right to free labor? Gosh, what great guys. Next thing you know, they might even start paying their workers better than the horrible wages they currently get. That would be so great of them.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

The high road? You mean paying the wrestlers because of all the negative press after taking advantage of a vague contract in order to deny their workers the right to free labor? Gosh, what great guys. Next thing you know, they might even start paying their workers better than the horrible wages they currently get. That would be so great of them.

Or they can tell the guys that they can only work TNA shows and to fuck off because they signed contracts that can prohibit them. Honestly, I am a ROH fan as much as the next guy, but come on here bro, TNA is being reasonable........

[Guest TDinDC1112]

The high road? You mean paying the wrestlers because of all the negative press after taking advantage of a vague contract in order to deny their workers the right to free labor? Gosh, what great guys. Next thing you know, they might even start paying their workers better than the horrible wages they currently get. That would be so great of them.

most of those guys get paid pretty well. $800 or $1,000 for one day's worth of work isn't too bad in my book.

[Michrome 0]

No they don't. AJ Styles gets 800, think about what the rest get.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

The high road? You mean paying the wrestlers because of all the negative press after taking advantage of a vague contract in order to deny their workers the right to free labor? Gosh, what great guys. Next thing you know, they might even start paying their workers better than the horrible wages they currently get. That would be so great of them.

Geez, freaking drop the fanboy crap. TNA did a good thing here because the wrestlers are still getting their's even if they can't work for a second promotion. Maybe if RoH would get their financial shit together they wouldn't be in such a bad position right now. At least the wrestlers aren't being hurt.

[Styles 0]

The high road? You mean paying the wrestlers because of all the negative press after taking advantage of a vague contract in order to deny their workers the right to free labor? Gosh, what great guys. Next thing you know, they might even start paying their workers better than the horrible wages they currently get. That would be so great of them.

Boo hoo. Stop being so bitter just because your company fucked itself over. You still have Coco Cabana or whoever still works for your favorite sleazy indy promotion.

 

They're stopping them from working for a rival promoter publicly outed as a pedophile while wrapping a national TV deal, AND compensating the effected wrestlers for the loss. TNA has every right, and they're totally doing the right thing to earn the good graces of the fans and the wrestlers.

 

This isn't about politics, it's about looking out for your own interests and now they're truly looking out for the wrestler's interests too.

 

The latest rumor is that TNA will CONTINUE the weekly PPV shows, along with the weekly FSN tapings (possibly 2 a month) which would mean 6 dates a month (+extra pay for the ROH guys) instead of the previous 3 dates a month. So, they're pay and work might be doubled and now they're getting compensated without even having to take bumps.

 

Oh, and TNA is the first wrestling company to offer a healthcare package to its contracted wrestlers. (Which Roddy Piper may or may not take credit for! )

 

Total high road here, and I have so much respect for this company and wish them all the sucess in the world and hope they can create a true alternative to WWE not just for the fans but as a viable second option for the wrestlers.

[Michrome 0]

Wow, that's the most hilarious post I've ever seen.

 

1) If this was all about the pedophile thing, why did they go to the wrestlers privately and ask them to just leave Ring Of Honor? AJ and Chris refused, and fans got mad, so they went to RoH with a bogus contract they knew Cary wouldn't sign. Doug signed it anyway, but it still wasn't enough.

 

2) A viable alternative to the WWE? HAHAHAHA. Is this in that same parallel universe where Jeff Jarrett is a draw in 2004? Or in any year ever on a national level?

 

3) That rumor was reported by Powell, and it seems to switch every week. I guess we'll find out soon, but needless to say, if they run PPVs along with that FSN show, they'll go out of business in no time.

 

I'm curious to see how they compensate the guys, and for how long. Chris Daniels makes double what he makes in TNA when he works ROH. Are they going to give him 2500-3500 a month until his contract runs out in RoH fees? Or does this only go through May?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

1) If this was all about the pedophile thing, why did they go to the wrestlers privately and ask them to just leave Ring Of Honor? AJ and Chris refused, and fans got mad, so they went to RoH with a bogus contract they knew Cary wouldn't sign. Doug signed it anyway, but it still wasn't enough.

 

Yeah because Doug doesn't have any financial interest in the FUCKING company yet. He had no legal right to sign said contract.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

1) If this was all about the pedophile thing, why did they go to the wrestlers privately and ask them to just leave Ring Of Honor? AJ and Chris refused, and fans got mad, so they went to RoH with a bogus contract they knew Cary wouldn't sign. Doug signed it anyway, but it still wasn't enough.

 

Yeah because Doug doesn't have any financial interest in the FUCKING company yet. He had no legal right to sign said contract.

You are exactly right.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Michrome - do you get the Observer? If so, what do you think of what Meltzer wrote this week about all of this?

 

I'd consider him the top source/expert on wrestling, and he isn't exactly pro-wrestlers or pro-ROH in any of this.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I thought he did a good job, even though for some reason the third page was blank, argh!!!! I think while he was nowhere near pro-TNA he did a good job of proving why TNA felt they needed to bring such a document forward.

[Guest OSIcon]

Yeah because Doug doesn't have any financial interest in the FUCKING company yet. He had no legal right to sign said contract.

 

Granted, I don't get the Observer anymore so I haven't read what Meltzer said this week, but what are you basing that assumption that that Oug doesn't yet have any financial interest in the company on?

 

The article states that they are being compensated for the dates they are already booked for. That is good of TNA. However, I am not quick to applaud them because it is simply a business decision that had to be made in order to keep the wrestlers happy. They didn't *have* to do it, but it will certainly go a long way to keep those wrestlers happy which in turn, will help the TNA product. So while they did do the right thing, let's keep it in perspective. Its not like they are forking money over to charity or something.

 

EDIT: Sorry, one additional comment. The document asked for the signee to be personally responsible. What would it matter if Doug at money in the company at that time or not then?

[Guest TDinDC1112]

However, I am not quick to applaud them because it is simply a business decision that had to be made in order to keep the wrestlers happy. They didn't *have* to do it, but it will certainly go a long way to keep those wrestlers happy which in turn, will help the TNA product. So while they did do the right thing, let's keep it in perspective. Its not like they are forking money over to charity or something.

It's funny. You just made the same exact argument some of us had made about ROH only doing what "they had to." We said they should do more to look better, to prove RF is gone, but that thought was continually blasted because "they did all they had to legally do." You say TNA didn't have to do it, but doing it makes them look better. Interesting concept.

 

So while ROH has done all they need to legally do, let's also keep it in perspective. Its not like they have gone out of their way to prove that they are no longer associated with RF.

[Michrome 0]

I agree that doing this was the right thing to do, but I don't really feel the need to praise a company for making up the money they were gonna cause their guys to lose.

 

I'm happy they're doing this, but the whole situation is still a really shady breach of trust of their workers. Go ask Chris Daniels or AJ Styles if they're happy about how this situation has turned out.

[Michrome 0]

EDIT: Sorry, one additional comment. The document asked for the signee to be personally responsible. What would it matter if Doug at money in the company at that time or not then?

 

Bingo. Doug is now PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for any claim TNA makes of damages through a vague contract. Whether or not he has a financial interest in the company is irrelevent, they have someone who is signed on as the owner of the company (at least in name) bearing financial responsibility.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I agree that doing this was the right thing to do, but I don't really feel the need to praise a company for making up the money they were gonna cause their guys to lose.

 

I'm happy they're doing this, but the whole situation is still a really shady breach of trust of their workers. Go ask Chris Daniels or AJ Styles if they're happy about how this situation has turned out.

Why don't they deserve praise for what their doing? They are taking the high road and doing something that NO other promoter would do. I am SURE that they wrestlers at least think that was the right thing to do. I am sure that AJ and Daniels aren't the happiest about it but THEY signed TNA's contracts, they could have just as easily said no to signing them........

[Guest Coffey]

 

It's Dave O'Neill; Journalist all over again....

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

 

It's Dave O'Neill; Journalist all over again....

I really hope you weren't talking about me.....

[Guest Coffey]

I wasn't. I was talking about Michrome.

[Michrome 0]

Just logically explain to me why I should praise a company that costed guys thousands of dollars, and now will make it up to them? It is something any promotion with any decency would do.

 

If Jarrett kidnapped Chris's son, and then gave him back, he'd get praise around here. They committed an injustice against these workers, got called on it, and then decided to pay them for the dates. While it's the right thing to do, it isn't exactly some saintly act.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

If Jarrett kidnapped Chris's son, and then gave him back, he'd get praise around here. They committed an injustice against these workers, got called on it, and then decided to pay them for the dates. While it's the right thing to do, it isn't exactly some saintly act.

You make a lot of logical points, but this sure isn't one of them. Even most of us TNA supporters (and I'm not even that, I'm just a wrestling supporter) despise Jarrett. Don't make a stupid blanket statement like that and try to pass off what we've been saying as stupid sheepish rhetoric, because it's not.

 

An injustice against the workers? Yeah I agree they shouldn't have done it without paying them, but come on. An injustice? Who forced the wrestlers to sign those contracts? And I know that they thought they'd be able to wrestle anywhere they wanted on weekends, but I guess they didn't really read their contracts before they signed them.

[Styles 0]

 

It's Dave O'Neill; Journalist all over again....

It's worse, at least Dave trolled all folders equally...

If this keeps up, I might need to step up again and change my name to ROHrapeslittleboys or something like that...

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Granted, I don't get the Observer anymore so I haven't read what Meltzer said this week, but what are you basing that assumption that that Oug doesn't yet have any financial interest in the company on?

 

Because there hasn't been any financial exchange between RF and Doug that everyone has been talking about. As far as I've heard from anyone he's only the President in name only.

 

 

If Jarrett kidnapped Chris's son, and then gave him back, he'd get praise around here. They committed an injustice against these workers, got called on it, and then decided to pay them for the dates. While it's the right thing to do, it isn't exactly some saintly act.

 

Wow, you're really bringing the humor today. No one put a gun to any of the workers heads and said they had to sign contracts. But most guys wanted you know promised pay days over the year instead of depending on indies that could either not book them or fold at any moment like MLW did. And how is TNA pulling off this great injustice when RoH refuses to make it clear that RF is gone and let their financial end remain such a mess that no one can make heads or tails of it. Name one other promotion that has ever EVER pulled their workers from another promotion and then paid them for missed dates? Such an injustice for paying workers for not working and it's an even GREATER INJUSTICE to provide said workers with health care.

 

FUCK TNA!!!!

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I wasn't. I was talking about Michrome.

Quite alright my good man.

 

Just logically explain to me why I should praise a company that costed guys thousands of dollars, and now will make it up to them? It is something any promotion with any decency would do.

 

If Jarrett kidnapped Chris's son, and then gave him back, he'd get praise around here. They committed an injustice against these workers, got called on it, and then decided to pay them for the dates. While it's the right thing to do, it isn't exactly some saintly act.

 

Nobody is telling you to priase a company for anything. I think your just letting your ROH fandom totally cloud the way you are thinking about this. Honestly, I am a HUGE ROH fan because I love their wrestling. Plain and simple. You can even attest to this as I joined your ROH board when you put it up after ROH closed the official one. I am not huge on TNA, but I do enjoy some things that they do as well. But to be honest with you, you should realize that first off TNA hasn't cost any worker(if that's what you meant) thousands of dollars. I don't even think that they have even missed a show yet.......

[Styles 0]

Granted, I don't get the Observer anymore so I haven't read what Meltzer said this week, but what are you basing that assumption that that Oug doesn't yet have any financial interest in the company on?

 

Because there hasn't been any financial exchange between RF and Doug that everyone has been talking about. As far as I've heard from anyone he's only the President in name only.

Yup, and they have no filed any of the legal papers needed to officially transfer ownership, thus if you look up the official owner of ROH, it will still say Rob Feinstein (even if he's truly out). ROH should be doing everything they can, even little things like that to try to prove themselves and show that they are clean. They haven't. Hell, they're still "thinking" about changing the name of ROB FEINSTEIN VIDEO....hopefully they get around to that sometime...

 

TNA goes the extra mile for its talent and its fans. It is doing what's best for the company's future financial stakes and going beyond the call of duty by compensating the wrestlers for their losses. Thus, not only are they getting paid, but they're getting paid and they get the weekend off and don't have to take bumps. I'm sure they're thrilled. This along with the ground breaking health care beenfit for contracted wrestlers is what seperates TNA from all the other sleazy promotions out there. They're going that extra mile. They're going to get on TV, they're going to give their guys more dates, more exposure and more money and set themselves up as the definite #2. And fanboys like Michrome can't stand it. It was suppoed to be ROH, right? Well they have no one to blame but themselves. Not what Rob did, but the shady, belittling way they've handled the aftermath

 

For those that don't get the Observer, Dave outlines examples in the past of why there's no point in basically taking someone's word at face value. He cited the Pat Pattersion example from the ringboy scandals in WWF (he's gone from the company and will never be back again...except he was still there behind the scenes and back in full a few months later). He talked about Jerry Lawler's problems with the rape trial and how promoters gave the word he was gone as a PR move, but he was back as soon as situation cleared. When that guy (don't feel like grabbing the article to look up his name) murdered Bruiser Brody in Puerto Rico, the company vowed he was blackballed...until bringing him back once the heat died down....as a babyface. Fuck ROH. TNA goes the extra mile, ROH doesn't and they have no one to blame but themselves. This has nothing to do with "Well Jimmy Ace or whatever generic Indy wrestler #5 who does japanese yakuza armdrags and works better than all the WWE and TNA roster combined! (yes right) can do in the ring. It's all about the pinheads running this company. Fuck ROH.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

But to be honest with you, you should realize that first off TNA hasn't cost any worker(if that's what you meant) thousands of dollars. I don't even think that they have even missed a show yet.......

That's not entirely fair. Wrestlers take bookings far in advance. Let's use Jerry Lynn for example. Let's say he was booked for this coming weekend in December. Since then, he might have been offered 3 other shows that he turned down because he was already booked. Now if TNA hadn't come through, it might have been too late for Jerry to pick something up as everyone's shows for that weekend would have already been booked. Now TNA did come through in the end, but up until now, these guys could have been operating as if they had lost thousands. Maybe AJ Styles had made a purchase because he knew he was getting $2,000 lets say for the double shot. The last 2 weeks he might have been freaking out about it. That kind of sucks for the boys, but it the end it doesn't matter because TNA came through. It's hardly an injustice. Once again, they didn't have to sign the contracts.

[tpww7 0]

Boo hoo. Stop being so bitter just because your company fucked itself over. You still have Coco Cabana or whoever still works for your favorite sleazy indy promotion.

 

 

Hey Slapnuts...Colt Cabana is better than probably 90 % of TNA's roster.

 

And explain to me how ROH fucked itself over?

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Yup, and they have no filed any of the legal papers needed to officially transfer ownership, thus if you look up the official owner of ROH, it will still say Rob Feinstein (even if he's truly out). ROH should be doing everything they can, even little things like that to try to prove themselves and show that they are clean. They haven't. Hell, they're still "thinking" about changing the name of ROB FEINSTEIN VIDEO....hopefully they get around to that sometime...

 

TNA goes the extra mile for its talent and its fans. It is doing what's best for the company's future financial stakes and going beyond the call of duty by compensating the wrestlers for their losses. Thus, not only are they getting paid, but they're getting paid and they get the weekend off and don't have to take bumps. I'm sure they're thrilled. This along with the ground breaking health care beenfit for contracted wrestlers is what seperates TNA from all the other sleazy promotions out there. They're going that extra mile. They're going to get on TV, they're going to give their guys more dates, more exposure and more money and set themselves up as the definite #2. And fanboys like Michrome can't stand it. It was suppoed to be ROH, right? Well they have no one to blame but themselves. Not what Rob did, but the shady, belittling way they've handled the aftermath

 

For those that don't get the Observer, Dave outlines examples in the past of why there's no point in basically taking someone's word at face value. He cited the Pat Pattersion example from the ringboy scandals in WWF (he's gone from the company and will never be back again...except he was still there behind the scenes and back in full a few months later). He talked about Jerry Lawler's problems with the rape trial and how promoters gave the word he was gone as a PR move, but he was back as soon as situation cleared. When that guy (don't feel like grabbing the article to look up his name) murdered Bruiser Brody in Puerto Rico, the company vowed he was blackballed...until bringing him back once the heat died down....as a babyface. Fuck ROH. TNA goes the extra mile, ROH doesn't and they have no one to blame but themselves. This has nothing to do with "Well Jimmy Ace or whatever generic Indy wrestler #5 who does japanese yakuza armdrags and works better than all the WWE and TNA roster combined! (yes right) can do in the ring. It's all about the pinheads running this company. Fuck ROH.

You make some really good points, but you might want to drop that TNA goes the extra mile for their fans stuff.