Sass 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Al Davis has said in the past he wouldn't mind seeing Warner on the Raiders (this came in the post season after Gannon collapsed and Tui went down with an injury). I'd take Warner over Gannon since Gannon can't throw down the field long (see Oak/SD week 3). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 If the Raiders pick up Warner, they've got to be the oldest team in history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sass 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 They've been the oldest team for at least the last 4 seasons. In one of those seasons they made it to the Superbowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 They're easily the oldest team in football. I meant the history of football. For Chrissakes, they've built their teams entirely through signing washed up veterans. They need another aging, past-his-prime free agent like we need an airborne version of AIDS. And yes, I'm aware they went to the Super Bowl one of those years. They also went 4-12 last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted April 21, 2004 I think one of the Super Bowl Washington teams was older than the current Raiders team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Maybe last year, but the eschrewed more younger talent for fat Warren Sapp and a few other old graybeards this year, if I'm not mistaken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Bah, Warner is the most overrated QB in the league. The man had three good seasons and everyone calls him the man. Then he gets a wee little thumb injury and he sucks, big time. For those three years, he was a good QB, a damn good QB. But, he was a three-year wonder in the NFL. He will be 33 next year and ever since his thumb injury, he can't throw the ball like he used to. Farve hurts his thumb, and he still gets a 90.4 rating. I SO FUCKIN HOPE that the Niners don't pick him up. I will be so pissed off because that would be such a waste. Rattay is a damn fine QB; he threw for 856 yards, 7 TDs, 2 INTS and had a 96.6 rating this past season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Bah, Warner is the most overrated QB in the league. ...if you mean right now, I won't argue with you. If you mean then, let's fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted April 21, 2004 EDIT: Ha, guess I was right the first time around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sass 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 They're easily the oldest team in football. I meant the history of football. For Chrissakes, they've built their teams entirely through signing washed up veterans. They need another aging, past-his-prime free agent like we need an airborne version of AIDS. And yes, I'm aware they went to the Super Bowl one of those years. They also went 4-12 last year. The Raiders have done very well when taking players from other teams who were considered "washed up" and helped see the team through stellar records and even a couple Superbowl's (Lamonica, Plunkett, Lott, Tus, Alzado, etc.) The team also has the winnigest record of any other team in the league (the Dolphins are in second and down by about 70 games or so) and have had a losing season only 10 times (below .500) which makes them one of the best regular and post season teams in NFL history. The oldest team in the history of football, combined age of 41 while the Raiders average age has been 36 for the past 3 seasons, was the Washington Redskins during coach George Allen's 7-year tenure as the head coach. The team was called the "Over-the-Hill Gang" for a reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Eh. They're still not all that much younger, especially at key positions. If you couldn't guess, I absolutely hate the Raiders' personnel model; they pick up a ridiculous amount of graybeards who used-to-be-something and they overpay them. They get a few diamonds in the rough (Gannon in particular), but come on. You can't expect fat Warren Sapp to make a difference for your team. They're notorious "stopgap" artists, it seems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted April 21, 2004 At least they kept Sapp out of Ohio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sass 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 I expect to see Warren play. Whether or not he does well in Oakland has yet to be determined. His last 2-3 seasons in TB were atrocious compared to past years so we'll see how he does in Oakland under Coach Turner by having a fire lit underneath his big ass. I get the Raiders hate all the time so this is nothing new Tyler. How 'bout them Steelers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 He'll play, no doubt. He'll simply be a major disappointment, and anyone who expected him to be otherwise is simply fooling themselves. He's an aging fatboy who has played soft in the past 2-3 years, as you said. The thing is, he's got such an ego that he doesn't even appear to see it. He plays pretty damned selfish, too (i.e. taking plays off), If I'm wrong, by all means, call me on it after the season. But I can't see that kind of a pickup making much of a difference. And that's exactly what's wrong with the Raiders' business model; they pick up a ton of overpriced contract 3 players who will, at best, provide them with 3 years of service before breaking down. At worst, they don't even give them 1 year up to what they expected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 How 'bout them Steelers? They're fucking terrible. Don't even get me started. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted April 21, 2004 How 'bout them Steelers? They're fucking terrible. Don't even get me started. At least the Browns have 2 promised wins this season. And on the bright side you do have Gradoci as a punter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Bahahaha, are you kidding me? The ONLY team the Steelers will beat this season is the Browns. Actually, I'm being harsh on them, but it pisses me off to see a team piss away potential and hold onto overpriced, soft veterans. I'm ripping Oakland for that because it's exactly what we do. Take Jerome Bettis. He's been the freakin' Tubby Tailback for the past 3 seasons, and Bill Cowher's foolish reliance on his graybeard, broken down pacifier has kept them from developing AMOZ or even Vernon Haynes, who probably will be out of the league in a year or two when he could've possibly been a solid tailback. Then they've got Jason Gildon on the other side, who they lavished with a massive contract when there was no demand for him. What has he done since they signed him again? Leading sack artist in Steelers history? Who gives a shit? He's terrible... and I mean... "Absolutely DREADFUL!" ...in pass coverage, and he's even worse against the run. He pussyfoots around blockers and picks up token sacks that have absolutely no impact on the game. He hardly ever makes solid solo tackles, either. They've got three all-star LB's (Farrior, Porter, Bell) who could start and succeed on any team, but what does it matter when all the opposition does is run it around their supposed "all star team captain" Jason Gildon? And the secondary? Two seasons ago, they lavished both Chad Scott and Dewayne Washington with fat contracts. Both of them will be gone after this year, because Dewayne is a freaking pussy who can't even figure out how to possibly, y'know, GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. He plays 10 yards off the ball every play and they just run curls right in front of him every time. Chad Scott is perhaps the dumbest corner in the league, considering he manages to bite on every double move a reciever makes. He had potential... at safety. But he's too much of an egoist to actually accept that, and he gets paid far too much to play safety for the Steelers. And speaking of safety, how do you like trading half of your draft for a player and then starting the slowest fucking safety in the NFL over him? Brent Alexander, who makes about as many plays as my fucking dead great grandmother's corpse (and probably runs the 40 just as fast). He was dreadful in 2002, so what do you do? You draft his replacement... and then start him again! Great job, guys! And don't even get me started on the Todd Fordham experiment. Or the fact that Plexico Burress STILL can't catch the ball with his hands. Or the fact that Tommy Maddox is about as mobile in the pocket as, again, my dead great grandmother's corpse (she should try out, now that I think about it). ...with all that being said, though, they could still finish 10-6. Why? Because they've got some solid youngsters (see, Oakland?) in Ike Taylor (who ran a 4.23 40 and is a raw, but talented, cornerback that they picked up in the 4th round last year), Chris Hope, Troy Pola, and Deshea Townsend in the secondary. Because they could, perhaps, draft an offensive tackle who can actually block better than a stationary cone on the field. And because they could, perhaps, add a gamebreaker on offense or another stud corner on defense that would turn them into a solid threat to go all the way. Do I see it happening? Nah. But they could. And that's why we watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sass 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 He'll play, no doubt. He'll simply be a major disappointment, and anyone who expected him to be otherwise is simply fooling themselves. He's an aging fatboy who has played soft in the past 2-3 years, as you said. The thing is, he's got such an ego that he doesn't even appear to see it. He plays pretty damned selfish, too (i.e. taking plays off), If I'm wrong, by all means, call me on it after the season. But I can't see that kind of a pickup making much of a difference. And that's exactly what's wrong with the Raiders' business model; they pick up a ton of overpriced contract 3 players who will, at best, provide them with 3 years of service before breaking down. At worst, they don't even give them 1 year up to what they expected. Tus and Alzado were out of shape and aging but they helped lead the Raiders to 2 Superbowl wins in 4 years. After they retired, the Raiders lines were shite (which wasn't helped by Tom Flores and Jim Plunkett retiring as well). I'm being optimistic here since I really wasn't crazy about hearing Sapp got signed while Marcellis Wiley got signed up by Big D when the Raiders could have used him more. I *hated* Sapp towards the end of his career in TB but I'm hoping that he'll have a fire lit underneath him come Game 1. "Slave master's" my ass. And yeah, Pitt won't get better until Coach Coward is gone after having two *very* disappointing seasons after being pegged as SB winners in the Pre-Season. It happened with Coach Knowles towards the end of his tenure and it's time that Pitt considers a change in their head coach. I'm not crazy about the Raiders signing older players like you Tyler but they've managed to deliver the goods more times than they have failed with the "Old Guard" so I've managed to cope with this as a member of the Raiders Nation over the years. It doesn't mean I like it when the team's WR core are older than most of the players in the league (and the oldest one played better than the younger one last season as well). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted April 21, 2004 I wish Tyler would stop noting 40 times... being that they are overrated and all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Dude, when you run a freakin' 4.23 40 yard dash, you blaze. Don't play. And he can hit, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Dude, when you run a freakin' 4.23 40 yard dash, you blaze. Don't play. And he can hit, too. *cough*D'Angelo Hall > Ike Taylor*cough* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 *cough*Steven Jackson > Kevin Jones*cough* And we'll see. Ike dropped to the fourth round because he played all of 8 games at corner in college. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Tom Brady is the most overrated QB in the league. That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted April 21, 2004 *cough*Steven Jackson > Kevin Jones*cough* Oh, I KNOW you didn't go there... .... I'm going to stay calm and not cut your head off. ... Asshole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Tom Brady is the most overrated QB in the league. That is all. Nah, he's better than Marc Bulger and doesn't get nearly the hype. Bulger or Daunte Culpepper are the most overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C Dubya 04 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Tom Brady is the most overrated QB in the league. That is all. Both ring fingers have something on them. That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Tom Brady is the most overrated QB in the league. That is all. Both ring fingers have something on them. That is all. Look, the guy is a alright, decent QB at best, but when you throw 5-6 yard passes all day and you have recievers that have great YAC because they can get away from the defense, and you have a incredible defense, alot of guys could have a ring or two. I constantly hear what a GREAT QB Brady is and I'm sorry, I will call the guy good...alright maybe..but GREAT? Nah. I mean he will put up better numbers than other guys, but other guys take chances and go down field because they don't have a incredible defese as a crutch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Tom Brady is the most overrated QB in the league. That is all. Both ring fingers have something on them. That is all. Look, the guy is a alright, decent QB at best, but when you throw 5-6 yard passes all day and you have recievers that have great YAC because they can get away from the defense, and you have a incredible defense, alot of guys could have a ring or two. I constantly hear what a GREAT QB Brady is and I'm sorry, I will call the guy good...alright maybe..but GREAT? Nah. I mean he will put up better numbers than other guys, but other guys take chances and go down field because they don't have a incredible defese as a crutch. Brady is clutch. McNabb is not. Brady > McNabb. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Dan Marino put up great numbers for some time and not only did he not have big name receivers, he didn't even have a credible running game. Funny as Marino/Clayton have the third most touchdowns ever behind Rice/Young and Rice/Montana. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2004 Tom Brady is the most overrated QB in the league. That is all. Both ring fingers have something on them. That is all. Look, the guy is a alright, decent QB at best, but when you throw 5-6 yard passes all day and you have recievers that have great YAC because they can get away from the defense, and you have a incredible defense, alot of guys could have a ring or two. I constantly hear what a GREAT QB Brady is and I'm sorry, I will call the guy good...alright maybe..but GREAT? Nah. I mean he will put up better numbers than other guys, but other guys take chances and go down field because they don't have a incredible defese as a crutch. Brady is clutch. McNabb is not. Brady > McNabb. -=Mike You would have a hard time trying to say that Brady's recievers aren't>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McNabbs recievers. Donavan can make clutch passes, his recievers can't make clutch catches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
