Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 23, 2004 You know, I've been behind Bush's Iraq policy. I think he's trying to do a noble thing. I really do, and I respect him for it. That being said, WHAT THE HECK HAS IRAQ EVER DONE TO SHOW THAT THEY EVEN DESERVE DEMOCRACY? Iraqis have NO problem getting a little uprising going against a liberating group --- but when Saddam was butchering them, they just stayed quiet and docile? You know, I'm at the point now where I'm ready for us to wash our hands of them and let them rot. Suppress the uprising, then have Bremer give one speech on Iraqi TV: "We came here to liberate you and you showed more fight and determination to get rid of us than you showed under the tyranny of Saddam. So, we're out of here. Have fun killing each other and committing acts of mass genocide upon one another. We do not need the headache and the whole lot of you have not shown that you DESERVE our blood. So, we'll be leaving. If you attack us, we'll come back and slaughter you. You attack Israel, we'll come back and slaughter you. You cut off the oil, we'll come back and slaughter you. Don't do those 3 things and we'll never deal with your psychotic lot ever again." I hope Bush pushes HEAVILY for hybrid cars and the like --- the sooner we can leave that shithole behind, the better. Get off oil and let them all die the death they are so anxious to die. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted April 23, 2004 I've been saying that all along... they're INSANE over there. You dont go into an f'ing unstable powder keg territory like that, and expect to transplant democracy with ease to people who have never known it This should've been common sense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 23, 2004 I've been saying that all along... they're INSANE over there. You dont go into an f'ing unstable powder keg territory like that, and expect to transplant democracy with ease to people who have never known it This should've been common sense Bush tried to do something noble and decent. He tried to give people freedom. I respect him immensely for it. But if the people won't do a damned thing themselves to get it, then they can go back to living under tyranny. I want us to get off oil as soon as possible and then have our ONLY reason to ever deal with ANYBODY in the Middle East is to REALLY build-up Israel into a seriously bad-ass force. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted April 23, 2004 noble... decent... naive... and incredibly stupid and it shows a lack of understanding and ignorance in the Administration about the middle east and who they're dealing with... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted April 23, 2004 Didn't you hear the press conference? He said something almost crazy about how democracy was God's gift to the world and it's our solemn duty to go about promoting it. It was kind of creepy and almost had a religious war sub-context to it. I know I wasn't the only person who noticed it when he said it, anyway. I actually like Daddy Bush compared to Junior, but I still have to blame him for not finishing the job the first time when Iraqis had a generally positive view of America and were ready to revolt. Then Daddy told everybody to go home and the revolters got tortured by Saddam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted April 23, 2004 Jobber... you're silly. It was all the UN's fault that Daddy Bush left! And I noticed it too... but it's not shocking to me. I would've been more surprised if he DIDNT use creepy religious subtext to justify his point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 23, 2004 Didn't you hear the press conference? He said something almost crazy about how democracy was God's gift to the world and it's our solemn duty to go about promoting it. It was kind of creepy and almost had a religious war sub-context to it. I know I wasn't the only person who noticed it when he said it, anyway. I actually like Daddy Bush compared to Junior, but I still have to blame him for not finishing the job the first time when Iraqis had a generally positive view of America and were ready to revolt. Then Daddy told everybody to go home and the revolters got tortured by Saddam. George was TRYING to do a good thing. Democracy IS the best way to do things --- nobody has found a better system yet. I will praise him to the end for doing a noble and decent thing. I wish more people would be willing to do them. But those morons don't deserve it. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted April 23, 2004 noble and decent... please It was about weapons of mass destruction... liberation didnt even pop into the equation until doubts arose about WMD. If we didnt believe Saddam had WMD, we wouldnt have given a fuck about the people of Iraq There are PLENTY of other oppressive regimes out there... what makes Iraq so damn special? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 23, 2004 noble and decent... please It was about weapons of mass destruction... liberation didnt even pop into the equation until doubts arose about WMD. If we didnt believe Saddam had WMD, we wouldnt have given a fuck about the people of Iraq There are PLENTY of other oppressive regimes out there... what makes Iraq so damn special? He made several arguments. If you missed all of them and focused upon one, that is your problem. And I love this "There are other oppresive regimes" line. Yeah, like there wouldn't be bitching if we deposed them. -=Mike ...It's stunning that this "blind partisan" can see the faults in people he supports --- but the other side is so incapable of seeing any of the positives of the man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted April 23, 2004 of course there would be bitching... I would be bitching about that too. We have home grown problems to worry about instead of trying to make the world into a Utopian Jesus loving society and at the moment, I cant really think of anything positive to say about Dubyah... he's everything I hate in a politican. I rarely if ever agree with anything he says or does. It has nothing to do with "republican party" hate. It has everything to do with me thinking he's the worst President of my lifetime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 23, 2004 of course there would be bitching... I would be bitching about that too. We have home grown problems to worry about instead of trying to make the world into a Utopian Jesus loving society and at the moment, I cant really think of anything positive to say about Dubyah... he's everything I hate in a politican. I rarely if ever agree with anything he says or does. It has nothing to do with "republican party" hate. It has everything to do with me thinking he's the worst President of my lifetime. Then I sincerely hope you get the "blind partisan" tag people so happily hang on me. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted April 23, 2004 I've been thinking about this "blind partisan-ness" alot lately... I've labled many as partisans, and I've been labled that a few times myself, and the more I think about it, and the more I look around, I've noticed everyone I know with a remote interest in politics, is partisan to a certain degree. If you have an above average interest in politics, you will likely be very partisan to whatever party. Its a result of the times we live in I admit, I am partisan... but I try my best to be fair. I just find it very very hard to be fair to someone I dislike as much as George Bush Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 23, 2004 I've been thinking about this "blind partisan-ness" alot lately... I've labled many as partisans, and I've been labled that a few times myself, and the more I think about it, and the more I look around, I've noticed everyone I know with a remote interest in politics, is partisan to a certain degree. If you have an above average interest in politics, you will likely be very partisan to whatever party. Its a result of the times we live in I admit, I am partisan... but I try my best to be fair. I just find it very very hard to be fair to someone I dislike as much as George Bush Then I sincerely hope I never hear you bitch when I criticize Kerry --- an amazingly deserving target of scorn. -=Mike ..."No, I don't own an SUV --- MY FAMILY does, though" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted April 23, 2004 even I've bitched about Kerry... I bitch about him when I feel it's warranted. But when I feel someone is being unfair or unreasonable, I make my feelings known. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 23, 2004 even I've bitched about Kerry... I bitch about him when I feel it's warranted. But when I feel someone is being unfair or unreasonable, I make my feelings known. Even though you admit you do the same to Bush? Not very consistent. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted April 23, 2004 even I've bitched about Kerry... I bitch about him when I feel it's warranted. But when I feel someone is being unfair or unreasonable, I make my feelings known. Even though you admit you do the same to Bush? Not very consistent. -=Mike When I dissagree with almost everything the man does... it kind of makes it hard to defend him I have defended him before however Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hunger4unger Report post Posted April 26, 2004 noble and decent... please It was about weapons of mass destruction... liberation didnt even pop into the equation until doubts arose about WMD. If we didnt believe Saddam had WMD, we wouldnt have given a fuck about the people of Iraq There are PLENTY of other oppressive regimes out there... what makes Iraq so damn special? Oil and plenty of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 26, 2004 noble and decent... please It was about weapons of mass destruction... liberation didnt even pop into the equation until doubts arose about WMD. If we didnt believe Saddam had WMD, we wouldnt have given a fuck about the people of Iraq There are PLENTY of other oppressive regimes out there... what makes Iraq so damn special? Oil and plenty of it. And God knows we've exploited the oil SO far. Man, I've never SEEN gas prices so low. Ironic that the ONLY commodity Iraq has --- you know, the ONLY thing that can give the people enough money to survive --- is being targeted by the monkeys. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 26, 2004 RACIST... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 26, 2004 RACIST... I think you have me and NoCalMike confused. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted April 26, 2004 I admit, I am partisan... but I try my best to be fair. *looks around for the imminent lightning strike* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 26, 2004 Yeah, you two are so alike. I figured I'd get the OMG U RACIST crap out of the way now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 26, 2004 Yeah, you two are so alike. I figured I'd get the OMG U RACIST crap out of the way now... You know what's weird --- I can't quote the end of your post here. Anywhoo --- "Rush is fat" jokes continue to THIS VERY DAY. Sad, because he hasn't been fat in years. -=Mike ...They say that inside every fat man is a skinny guy trying to get out. In Moore's case, it's because he ate the skinny guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 26, 2004 The reason you couldn't is because I had a brain fart and thought this was the latest Mikey Moore thread. When I realized it wasn't I took the last part off via editing the post... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 26, 2004 The reason you couldn't is because I had a brain fart and thought this was the latest Mikey Moore thread. When I realized it wasn't I took the last part off via editing the post... You forward-thinking bastard. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
