Is WWE racist?

[Guest sanyo]

OK Mabel was black but look at him- he was a fat slob. I'm talking about someone who has some talent and looked good. Plus who did they have back in '95 to contend Nash? Nobody! Razor and Shawn had their thing. Plus for every Mabel what about Crush? How much chances did you get? 10-20? Billy Gunn gets chance after chance. I mean guys wake up! White wrestlers get a better chance and break. Even wrestlers have come out and said it. Plus we all know the best wrestling is in Japan and Mexico...get some of those guys, fuck the stereotypical gimmick shit and I can bet you they will get over ala Eddie. That's all. Forgot the non-sense and get some good talent from other countries- not just big dumb nobodies here.

[chaosrage 0]

"So what you're saying is WWE doesn't push any minorities unless they're talented and they're popular. And then they will push them.... But on the other hand, if they have no talent and nobody cares about them, then they won't get pushed. So WWE = RACIST. Did I get that right? "

 

You could argue WWE pushes plenty of white guys that aren't shown to be talented or popular either, but they don't do it with black...

 

Wait, there's Mark Henry, Orlando Jordan, and Rodney Mack.

But.. but.. if Rodney Mack wasn't saddled with a stereotypical gimmick, he would've been a world champion on RAW! He could've been another Rock! Belie' that! If ya don't feel me, you need to stop drinking that haterade and go to sensitivity school, playa.

[DMann2003 0]

Okay I'll give you one- Ahmed Johnson- had he not suffere dthat rash of injuries he was on a fast track to the ME I think. Yeah he sucked but the crowds loved him

 

There you go talentless black who was pushed.

[chaosrage 0]

OK Mabel was black but look at him- he was a fat slob.

And they still pushed him anyway?! WHY, those RACIST bastards.

 

I'm talking about someone who has some talent and looked good.

 

That leaves us with The Rock, Eddy, Shelton....

 

Plus who did they have back in '95 to contend Nash?

 

Um.. Bret? Shawn? Razor? Undertaker?

 

Plus for every Mabel what about Crush? How much chances did you get? 10-20? Billy Gunn gets chance after chance.

 

What about Ahmed?

[Guest UncleJesseMark]

If it's Bobby Heenan making the comments you all seem just fine with it,love it in fact (remember the flying jalapeno? and check my sig.), hell I know I did! But let Bradshaw near the mic playing the race card and LORD HAVE MERCY! All hell will break lose. It's just good guys vs. bad guys kids, the racists are the bad guys.

And in wrestling, unless it's Triple H, the Good guys eventually win.

 

[Guest GreatMuta]

Anyone think D'lo Brown had a chance in the ME picture?

 

He was pretty popular, and seemed will liked until the Droz incident

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

That was then this is now. Booker's worthless (...)in the ring,

Orton.

 

, his movesets are not only vanilla but completely predictable

Orton

 

. He messes up even his trademark moves sometimes

Orton

 

and he's just been completely unentertaining.

Orton.

hmm. Orton was in a four star match on the ppv.

 

Orton cut a better than average promo last week and an okay one this week.

 

He's younger and more inexperinced than Booker is.

 

Thank you but I'll take Orton over the Lazy Booker T

[Guest sanyo]

OK how is Booker T lazy?

[AndrewTS 0]

Anyone think D'lo Brown had a chance in the ME picture?

 

He was pretty popular, and seemed will liked until the Droz incident

I don't know about you, but as far as I could tell, with Long he drawing about as much heat than Orton pre-IC title win, and the whole act was pretty lifeless, limited, and D-Lo's ring work was the least interested I had seen from him in a while.

 

Basically, I didn't care, you didn't care, the marks didn't care, and WWE didn't care. As they let D'Lo go they thought inserting a less skilled, less interesting, less black guy into the same roll would produce a far better result.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

OK how is Booker T lazy?

Read what was posted already.

 

He botches his moves, he uses vanilla offence, and wrestles the same match over and over again.

[Guest sanyo]

Well when I watch his matches I don't see a whole lot of botches. Booker is still good and he probably lost all motivation with the world title push against HHH. Poor guy got insulted, dissed on, and eventually lost. I mean how many of you would be pissed off after that? Answer- everybody! And then he was just a curtain jerker. Poor Booker.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

he's paid to perform not just perform when he's happy.

 

if he isn't motivated...Fire Him.

[Guest sanyo]

Ok then fire 60% of the roster because many of them could give a shit on any given night. They know HHH has the top spot. He's gonna continue to win the world title. Why bother? Now Booker is gonna get squashed by Taker and Taker will probably have the belt by Summerslam. I mean the guy is more talented than that.

[Guest Brian]

Vince has certain preferences, suchas the old big man deal, that seem to get priority over race. But otherwise it's the general, stereotypical portrayal of minority wrestlers tends to run pretty deep.

 

Don't most wrestlers wrestle the same match in essence? There's very little opportunity to break from that.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Good. Fire them. Lit a fire under everyone else's ass.

 

And you know what? HHH DESERVES a top level push right now.

 

He's working his fucking ass off and wrestling lower card guys and making them look DAMN good. He knows his limitations right now and he's working around them.

 

More power to him.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Vince has certain preferences, suchas the old big man deal, that seem to get priority over race. But otherwise it's the general, stereotypical portrayal of minority wrestlers tends to run pretty deep.

 

Don't most wrestlers wrestle the same match in essence? There's very little opportunity to break from that.

Yes Brian, but some wrestlers will at least vary things up a little but others such as Booker, RVD, etc. wrestle the EXact same match every night..

[Guest Trivia247]

Good. Fire them. Lit a fire under everyone else's ass.

 

And you know what? HHH DESERVES a top level push right now.

 

He's working his fucking ass off and wrestling lower card guys and making them look DAMN good. He knows his limitations right now and he's working around them.

 

More power to him.

Not giving HHH a total pass but I'll agree HHH should garner more respect for his work now. He may have squashed Tajiri but he made Tajiri look damn good not only in the match but let himself get misted... He loses to Shelton twice. Got his customary beatdown afterwards and lost twice in two major PPVs.

I would like him get away from the World title hunt and let Benoit face some new blood if any. its bad enough HBK has to be forced onto him again for a 3rd time. HHH should get into feud with someone else.

[Guest Brian]

Small variations are generally miniscule parts of the match. You go through the same basic moveset, you dictate a similar pace every night, you're going to end up with a lot of matches that look very similar. And it's just as bad, IMO.

[Ripper 0]

Let me put it like this, there are different ways to be racist and the WWE is definatley racist in the how they portray minorities.

 

Do I think they are racist when it comes to pushes, pay, and hiring practices? No. Do I think they HATE minorites(which people in this thread seems to think the only meaning of racist is). No.

 

But is this not the company that had Slick be a pimp, sing a song while eating fried chicken with kids in the ghetto running behind him. Were we not forced to go through MOM...*shutters*, Papa Shango, Simba, Flash Funk the dancing fool, Godfather, Ahmed Johnson the reformed gangsta, Booker T the guy that jacking cars is just like riding a bike, the NOD/Teddy Long crap(because you know how black people blame everything on being black) Eddie Guerro(nuff said) Too Cool, who basically was there to be a mockery to blacks before they got popular, um...lets see...every damn samoan that came in the company, Tatanka...seriously...

 

While I know that wrestling is a over the top "sport" in which the characters are meant to be extreme, but when basically every minority wrestler EXCEPT the Rock(who keeps coming up as a example) have been put in some stereotypical role, it is consistant with the first definition of racist.

 

Not saying that Vince is a KKK member or whatever, but their method of pushing the envlope is through racist means.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

They're just too stupid to come up with anything else. They rely on stereotypes and gimmicks rather than actually developing an interesting character - as if the two are mutually exclusive.

 

Vince: "Ok, we have this black man... whattawedo?"

 

WWE Writer: "Rapper? Convict? Militant? Thug? Tribesman? Witch Doctor? Or how about the Happy Black Guy? Ladies Man? Soul Man? Gospel Preacher? Pimp? Pimps are big right now..."

 

Vince: "Hmm... tribesman you say... can we somehow mix that in with Gospel Preacher and Witch Doctor... with a lil Thug on the side?"

 

WWE Writer: "Why, that's brilliant Boss, you've done it again."

 

Vince: "Alright, now, we have this Asian guy."

 

WWE Writer: "Sumo? Samurai? Horny Rittre Guy? Salt Manufacturer? How about wanting to get back at us for WWII, we can do something with that? Maybe a baseball player - those are becoming big? Ninja? Maybe a businessman? Karaoke singer? Insane Talk Show host - you know, like Lost in Translation?"

 

Vince: I liked that movie.

 

WWE Writer: It was great.

 

Vince: Can we have him - an insane talk show host - come out with a sword? You know, like Kill Bill.

 

WWE Writer: And he can lust after the Divas...

 

Vince: ...And they make fun of the length of his sword, good work. Now, we have this Mexican...

 

WWE Writer: Thief? Boarder Jumper? Lawn Care Professional? Generic Masked Guy? Aztec Warrior? Dirty Cop? Drug Dealer? Taco Boy? Salsa Dancer? Bullfighter? Latin Pop Star? Soap Opera star? Thug? Boxer?

 

Vince: Salsa Dancer, you say?

 

WWE Writer: Number 1 condiment in America...

 

Vince: Is that so?

 

WWE Writer: Would Seinfeld lie?

 

Vince: Ok, how about a Salsa Dancer who dances with Salsa?

 

WWE Writer: GENIUS! They audience has never seen anything like that! You da man Vinny Mac.

[Guest Museite]

And we're back to wondering if Vince truly knows how we feel about him. Maybe its more institutional racism rather than intentional or discriminitory (sp). Vince is part of the last generation which was brought up around racism. All folliwng generations have grown up around the civil rights movements so with luck I should imagine things will change once Vince hands over the ropes...if it's to Triple H though, then I don't know, I hope Shane takes over to be honest even if it is unlikely.

[haVoc 0]

Austin has done racist things before WWE. Anyone remember his stuff from ECW with 2 Cold Scorpio? "Don't you flap those big gums at me" and his fried chicken line he dropped before in a promo.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Has there ever been an Irish Gimmick in the WWE?

[Guest Brian]

Austin

 

Oh wait....

[Guest Museite]

I suppose Piper is the closest to Irish, being Scottish...you got the Celtic connection going on there

[Si82 0]

Has there ever been an Irish Gimmick in the WWE?

Why of course.

 

After all who could forget the...

 

...DUBLIN DESTORYER!!!

[Guest Goodear]

Too Cool, who basically was there to be a mockery to blacks before they got popular.

 

Woah woah woah... Too Cool was insulting to gay people and wiggers before they got popular, lets try to keep things accurate. Face it the WWE has pretty much insulted every group in the world including people that really like Santa Claus. Its more of a sub moronic comedy skit than a bunch of klansmen getting together to burn crosses.

[Guest sanyo]

Back to HHH. Yes he's doing a good job but is it a coincidence that since he got married that he's kinda starting to not totally hog the top spot. See this man is sooo smart. Let's see he got married in October so from that point:

Nov- Lost to Goldberg

Dec- Beat Goldberg

Dec 29 Raw- Draw

RR- Draw

WM- Tapped Out *Good job H.

Backlash- Lost but not a factor in the outcome

Lost to Shelton twice but I still feel he didn't put him over competely. He lost by being distracted to a roll-up. Second one was a cheap little count-out victory.

He's still part of the World Title Picture. Still feels he can win again and again and again.

Did I mention he's married to Steph so he no longer really has to hog the spotlight?

Well yes he has done a good job but since Dec he's put over only Benoit competely. Shelton was half-assed and, unless your such a die-hard fan that you can't get laid, nobody will remember the Tajiri match 2 weeks from now.

 

And smartmarks everywhere enjoy the Benoit run because its going back to HHH. What- you actually thought HHH would come out of all this without the belt? Please. At the very least he'll do a feud with Edge to Bad Blood or being the cunning man that he is gun Benoit at BB. Then we see him again for the 27th time as champion. Then Benoit will be buried and then everybody will complain again.

 

Then being the smart son-of-a-bitch that he is he'll put over maybe Hurricane like Tajiri. Marks everywhere will think HHH rules. Then feud with Edge. Lose to him at SS in Toronto. Then the marks will think he really rules. Then HHH will complain for 3 months for the belt. Beat Edge at SurvivorS and then the haters come out again. Edge buried.

 

Then they start the break-up of Evoluation. Now even I'll admit this will be good. Orton will think he's the Rock (Keep dreaming Orton) and HHH will play the part of Faarooq. Orton will win Rumble and HHH makes Orton look like a million bucks. Orton will be the heel and think he's the second coming of the Rock (again dream on) and think he's a movie star. Orton beats HHH at WM. YESS HHH you are the fucking man! HHH goes into hibernation, let's Orton have his customary, by know, 3 month run of the belt then we see a bald HHH and beats Orton. HHHaters start the yelling again. Orton now goes for IC belt. Edhe is curtain jerker. Benoit is fighting Steven Richards on Heat.

 

Now why is HHH bald. Y2J! Your the next conestant on the HHH bitch show. And then we continue on...

 

So marks I'm surprised at all the love HHH is getting now. HHH is good- even I'll admit that. But don't be suckered in folks. HHH is only trying to prolong his career...this "new"HHH is short-term. One thing will never change- He will always be in the World Title picture and he will buried one guy after the next after the next. Let's give it 6 months to see where Benoit is. IF he's back to I.C feud then folks...HHH has done nothing!

[Guest MikeSC]

Rock has mentioned even publicly how its hard for a black man in this business and that it was even worse for his father Rocky Johnson who wreslted in a different era where racism was not hidden.

And where has the WWF EVER treated Rock unfairly?

Also someone said HHH and Rock have fought countless times. True HHH and Rock fought millions of times. But if you ever listen to Rock's answer to who his close friends backstage are he says Austin and Foley.

Irrelevant. Flair has worked with Steamboat thousands of times and has said that they are not friends outside of the ring, due to their vastly different personalities.

Never heard an HHH in his answer, ever.  But hey that's just the 10-15 interviews I've read/heard of him in countless mags and on TV. Also when HHH mentions his fav from the past he never mentions a minority. I mean how could you not like Snuka? Pedro Moracles?

I didn't like them. I guess I'm racist.

Even suck up to the Rock and mention Rocky Johnson who was a hell of an athlete. But again will not offically imply he's racist anymore but read between the lines. It would be too obvious if HHH never fought a black man...that its too easy to call him a racist. Also since being world champ back in '99 I've never seen HHH lose to a black man cleanly except maybe Rock. By clean I mean no interference of any kind. Pinned one two three or tap out. He always loses with some interference. Shelton's win were flukes...until I see Shelton win with his finisher on HHH I'm not convinced people...I'm not convinced.

So, when HHH DOES job to a minority, it doesn't count?

A cheap Stinger splash for a roll-up and a count-out to me doesn't count as putting someone over. But maybe The Game will do the right thing who knows?

Hmm, so a clean pin isn't good enough for putting a virtual unknown over?

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

And MikeSC, HHH said "people like Booker" (and then went on to list stereotypical 'black man' traits) can't beat people like him.  That they can't win the gold.  Yes, he was a heel.  HOWEVER, *He* *Won* the match at WM, thus proving his statement correct - heel or not.

And we don't know what all went into it. Maybe Booker's reactions at house shows weren't good enough to put him over. Mayeb his back problems were getting bad at that point. There are reasons for everything.

And while the WWE hires different races and "allows" for advancement, their treatment of Asians in particular has been very, very poor.  Look at their road agents, the people in higher positions, they're mostly "white".  I wonder if the amount of minorities in the WWE properly reflects that of American Society.

There are few less relevant stats than that.

 

So the WWE doesn't have the "proper proportion" of blacks as society as a whole.

 

Does ANY sport have a "proper" racial breakdown? Yes, I know wrestling isn't a sport.

OK Mabel was black but look at him- he was a fat slob. I'm talking about someone who has some talent and looked good. Plus who did they have back in '95 to contend Nash? Nobody! Razor and Shawn had their thing.

Actually, they didn't. That match was announced basically out of the blue.

Plus for every Mabel what about Crush? How much chances did you get? 10-20?

Isn't Crush Polynesian?

Billy Gunn gets chance after chance.

Oh yeah, pushed to the MOON!

I mean guys wake up! White wrestlers get a better chance and break.

No, they REALLY don't.

Even wrestlers have come out and said it. Plus we all know the best wrestling is in Japan and Mexico

We "know" that?

 

I can't stand lucha and find puro to be overrated.

 

So, to me, they're not "the best".

-=Mike

...Oh, and for Sanyo, being in America for a while doesn't mean you know the language. Mr. Aguila was here for a while and never really learned English