Is WWE racist?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

And we don't know what all went into it. Maybe Booker's reactions at house shows weren't good enough to put him over. Mayeb his back problems were getting bad at that point. There are reasons for everything.

 

There is a reason for giving the message "black people aren't as good as white people"? I mean, a reason other than "the WWE is racist". You can't justify that. They made their bed and they should have laid in it. They didn't, so they suffer the consequences of doing a race angle, and not only a race angle, but one with an outcome like that.

 

There are few less relevant stats than that.

 

As I mentioned before, it was less a statement and more of a wondering; however it still applies. The WWE has a very high proportion of "white" wrestlers, one that is disproportionate to the American population ("whites" make up, what, less than 50% of the population?). This could be reflective of the amount of minority wrestlers or it could be reflective of institutional discrimination - as I've mentioned before, and in that quote, the WWE management is almost all white (from what I see, it is all white) - or it could be both.

 

So the WWE doesn't have the "proper proportion" of blacks as society as a whole.

 

Does ANY sport have a "proper" racial breakdown? Yes, I know wrestling isn't a sport.

 

I didn't say "blacks", I said "different races". The WWE's amount of Mexican workers - especially compared to the amount out there in both general and wrestling populace - is heavily undersized.

 

And wrestling isn't a sport, and wrestling has a different system of recruitment. Wrestling is a business where you can be brought in merely on "look" and you can be rejected merely on "look".

[Guest MikeSC]

And we don't know what all went into it. Maybe Booker's reactions at house shows weren't good enough to put him over. Mayeb his back problems were getting bad at that point. There are reasons for everything.

 

There is a reason for giving the message "black people aren't as good as white people"?  I mean, a reason other than "the WWE is racist".  You can't justify that.  They made their bed and they should have laid in it.  They didn't, so they suffer the consequences of doing a race angle, and not only a race angle, but one with an outcome like that.

One reason is that racism = cheap heat. They were portraying the racist as a BAD GUY. Man, Norman Lear got PRAISED for doing that with "All in the Family". Booker's mic work is lacking --- let's be honest --- so building a program with him was going to be difficult to begin with.

There are few less relevant stats than that.

 

As I mentioned before, it was less a statement and more of a wondering; however it still applies.  The WWE has a very high proportion of "white" wrestlers, one that is disproportionate to the American population ("whites" make up, what, less than 50% of the population?).  This could be reflective of the amount of minority wrestlers or it could be reflective of institutional discrimination - as I've mentioned before, and in that quote, the WWE management is almost all white (from what I see, it is all white) - or it could be both.

Any guesses on to what the percentage of wrestlers in NORTH AMERICA are? NO promotion EVER had many black wrestlers.

 

Either they're ALL racists --- or, maybe, there aren't a ton of black wrestlers out there.

So the WWE doesn't have the "proper proportion" of blacks as society as a whole.

 

Does ANY sport have a "proper" racial breakdown? Yes, I know wrestling isn't a sport.

 

I didn't say "blacks", I said "different races".  The WWE's amount of Mexican workers - especially compared to the amount out there in both general and wrestling populace - is heavily undersized.

 

And wrestling isn't a sport, and wrestling has a different system of recruitment.  Wrestling is a business where you can be brought in merely on "look" and you can be rejected merely on "look".

WWE wants guys who can cut promos when needed (that is why Rios got turfed). That is a little important to them. SO, the number of foreign wrestlers who meet THAT qualification are ALREADY thinned out markedly.

 

They also want guys who don't have tons of personal problems (looking directly at Juventud Guerrera). So, that's even fewer.

-=Mike

[Dangerous A 0]

Also someone said HHH and Rock have fought countless times. True HHH and Rock fought millions of times. But if you ever listen to Rock's answer to who his close friends backstage are he says Austin and Foley. Never heard an HHH in his answer, ever. But hey that's just the 10-15 interviews I've read/heard of him in countless mags and on TV. Also when HHH mentions his fav from the past he never mentions a minority. I mean how could you not like Snuka? Pedro Moracles? Even suck up to the Rock and mention Rocky Johnson who was a hell of an athlete. But again will not offically imply he's racist anymore but read between the lines. It would be too obvious if HHH never fought a black man...that its too easy to call him a racist. Also since being world champ back in '99 I've never seen HHH lose to a black man cleanly except maybe Rock. By clean I mean no interference of any kind. Pinned one two three or tap out. He always loses with some interference. Shelton's win were flukes...until I see Shelton win with his finisher on HHH I'm not convinced people...I'm not convinced. A cheap Stinger splash for a roll-up and a count-out to me doesn't count as putting someone over. But maybe The Game will do the right thing who knows?

So Rock doesn't like HHH. Does that mean he's racist? If Rock doesn't like you, I guess it means your automatically a racist. Big deal if HHH doesn't suck up to Rock. The two guys don't like each other. Why should HHH suck up to him? And so what if HHH doesn't like other minority wrestlers. Doesn't mean shit. I haven't read that any major white wrestlers like other minority wrestlers either.

 

 

You say you haven't seen HHH job to a black man cleanly except Rock since being champ in 99. Guess what, neither have Austin or Undertaker. Guess they are the 3 man Klan in the back or something. But hey, I guess Shelton doesn't count. That was as clean a finish that you would get out of ANY ME'er from the Attitude Era.

 

 

Until you come up with something from a credible source, your evidence HHH is a racist is extremely circumstantial. You could say the same stuff for Austin or Taker and it would sound just about the same and I don't think any of the 3 are racists. They are backstage politicians to the death, but not racists.

[Guest sanyo]

So the WWE doesn't have the "proper proportion" of blacks as society as a whole.

 

Does ANY sport have a "proper" racial breakdown? Yes, I know wrestling isn't a sport.

Can you say Football, Baseball, Basketball and Soccer.

 

Here's an interesting article I happen to stumble upon. I'm sure many of you heard about it and its about a year and a half old.

 

Wrestler sues WWE

Aug. 27, 2002

A Sikh professional grappler is pile-driving wrestling im-presario Vince McMahon's company with accusations of religious and ethnic harassment.

 

Gurjit Singh Hans - whose ring name is Tiger Ali Singh - claims his turban, which is sacred in the Sikh religion, was swiped in 1999 from a locker and desecrated by World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. workers. He says they stuffed it with cigarette butts and garbage, and called the Indian-descended wrestler a "taxi driver."

 

"Another turban belonging to Gurjit Singh Hans was torn into pieces backstage and placed on the head of a mentally disturbed person for the 'amusement' of the WWE personnel present," Hans, 31, claims in a legal filing.

 

The Ontario, Canada, resident says the harassment coincided and escalated with WWE efforts to get out of its contractwith him. The conduct included WWE demands that he wear his turban as a "gimmick" during matches, and make pre-match speeches that "referenced persons of Indian descent as likely being perceived as taxi driver and convenience-store operators," his filing says.

 

He also claims he suffered a career-ending injury last December when he was forced to perform in an outdoor tag-team match in pouring rain.

 

Hans' lawyer Bruce Ewing said the McMahon-controlled WWE acted in an "appalling" manner toward Hans, who has asked an arbitration panel for a ruling against the company. Hans is seeking $7 million from WWE, which has stopped paying his contract.

 

His father, Jagjit Singh Hans - who became a wrestling legend in Asia as Tiger Jeet Singh - wants $1 million in a separate arbitration action that claims the WWE stopped paying him in 1999.

 

WWE lawyer Jerry McDevitt said the company was not aware of any harassment Gurjit Hans may have suffered, and that it legally stopped paying him because he no longer can wrestle.

 

The lawyer also said the WWE is not responsible for Gurjit Hans' injury, which was incurred during another company's match.

 

"People make all kind of claims against the WWE, and when youget to the facts, you find that they're seldom found to be true," McDevitt said.

 

 

 

McDevitt is an idiot and of course he'll stick up to the WWE. So you guys I doubt Tiger went through all that trouble to fake the accusations. The wrestlers insulted him and the management felted he could be a taxi driver like RRR stated in an earlier post as to how they treat ethnic wrestlers. How nice of them. Now whether every statement made by Singh is true, I don't know. I would venture to believe that most of them are true escpecially the part where management felt he needed a turban because he was Indian. This is one incident but this is the WWE folks- a bunch of racist bastards.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Mike, your heel point is dismissed automatically because THE HEEL WON. The Booker feud could have easily been done without the racist bait. It just takes a little thought.

 

Affirmative Action, which is essentially what part of this discussion is about, isn't about how many are in the actual market, it's about how many are in society as a whole. Perhaps there are few "black" wrestlers out there because they haven't been displayed prominently in the past. This goes for any minority group out there.

 

In terms of hiring and discrimination, I don't think the WWE could justify "promos" as an essential skill, as there are (a)Managers and (b)Successful wrestlers who have not been great promos and have gotten over on wrestling. In a predominantly physical medium, language isn't an issue. What they prefer isn't an issue in this regard if it prohibits the use/hiring of a racial group.

 

And I should also mention the WWE's punishment of its wrestlers who use racial slurs has been non-existant. 2 cases in particular, Big Show and Brian Lawler.

[Guest MikeSC]

Wrestler sues WWE

Aug. 27, 2002

A Sikh professional grappler is pile-driving wrestling im-presario Vince McMahon's company with accusations of religious and ethnic harassment.

 

Gurjit Singh Hans - whose ring name is Tiger Ali Singh - claims his turban, which is sacred in the Sikh religion, was swiped in 1999 from a locker and desecrated by World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. workers. He says they stuffed it with cigarette butts and garbage, and called the Indian-descended wrestler a "taxi driver."

 

"Another turban belonging to Gurjit Singh Hans was torn into pieces backstage and placed on the head of a mentally disturbed person for the 'amusement' of the WWE personnel present," Hans, 31, claims in a legal filing.

 

The Ontario, Canada, resident says the harassment coincided and escalated with WWE efforts to get out of its contractwith him. The conduct included WWE demands that he wear his turban as a "gimmick" during matches, and make pre-match speeches that "referenced persons of Indian descent as likely being perceived as taxi driver and convenience-store operators," his filing says.

 

He also claims he suffered a career-ending injury last December when he was forced to perform in an outdoor tag-team match in pouring rain.

 

Hans' lawyer Bruce Ewing said the McMahon-controlled WWE acted in an "appalling" manner toward Hans, who has asked an arbitration panel for a ruling against the company. Hans is seeking $7 million from WWE, which has stopped paying his contract.

 

His father, Jagjit Singh Hans - who became a wrestling legend in Asia as Tiger Jeet Singh - wants $1 million in a separate arbitration action that claims the WWE stopped paying him in 1999.

 

WWE lawyer Jerry McDevitt said the company was not aware of any harassment Gurjit Hans may have suffered, and that it legally stopped paying him because he no longer can wrestle.

 

The lawyer also said the WWE is not responsible for Gurjit Hans' injury, which was incurred during another company's match.

 

"People make all kind of claims against the WWE, and when youget to the facts, you find that they're seldom found to be true," McDevitt said.

 

 

 

McDevitt is an idiot and of course he'll stick up to the WWE. So you guys I doubt Tiger went through all that trouble to fake the accusations. The wrestlers insulted him and the management felted he could be a taxi driver like RRR stated in an earlier post as to how they treat ethnic wrestlers. How nice of them. Now whether every statement made by Singh is true, I don't know. I would venture to believe that most of them are true escpecially the part where management felt he needed a turban because he was Indian. This is one incident but this is the WWE folks- a bunch of racist bastards.

Umm, Tiger Ali was canned because he utterly sucked. He was useless in the ring and horrendous on the mic. Do I buy his accusations? As much as I bought Sable's --- and that would be a big, ol NO.

So the WWE doesn't have the "proper proportion" of blacks as society as a whole.

 

Does ANY sport have a "proper" racial breakdown? Yes, I know wrestling isn't a sport.

Can you say Football, Baseball, Basketball and Soccer.

They have "proper" racial breakdowns? Surely you jest.

[Guest MikeSC]

Mike, your heel point is dismissed automatically because THE HEEL WON. The Booker feud could have easily been done without the racist bait. It just takes a little thought.

 

Affirmative Action, which is essentially what part of this discussion is about, isn't about how many are in the actual market, it's about how many are in society as a whole. Perhaps there are few "black" wrestlers out there because they haven't been displayed prominently in the past. This goes for any minority group out there.

 

In terms of hiring and discrimination, I don't think the WWE could justify "promos" as an essential skill, as there are (a)Managers and (b)Successful wrestlers who have not been great promos and have gotten over on wrestling. In a predominantly physical medium, language isn't an issue. What they prefer isn't an issue in this regard if it prohibs the use/hiring of a racial group.

1) The number of wrestlers who get over WITHOUT promos is small. Very small. And the WWE has been shying away, for years, from having a manager play the role of "spokesperson" for anybody.

 

And they clearly don't refuse to hire minorities as they DO have minorities working for them. They refuse to hire those who can't do what they feel the job entails. Huge difference.

-=Mike

...It'd be like me bitching that the NBA lacks white guys

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Then that is systematic discrimination. The policy of pushing promo guys and not having managers - which is preference rather than necessitity - allow it to happen. It is not a bona fide occupational qualification for the 2 reasons I listed above.

 

And I agree with you, they aren't racist in hiring because they *do* hire minorities, HOWEVER, the proportion of "whites" on-screen, in comparison to i) the wrestlers they have and ii)society, looks to be 2:1, maybe 3:1, and 'backstage' looks to be 100:1. There is a problem there, especially in regards to management.

 

Their storylines and characters, however, are racist. Thus making them racist.

[Guest Goodear]

I will admit my memory sucks so I'll tred lightly. Wasn't it the plan originally for Booker to go over at Mania until they signed Goldberg to a contract just a few weeks before the event? I was under the impression that once the plans changed to put Goldberg over Triple H, the racist overtones of the angle was dropped by basically everyone except Jerry Lawler.

 

Affirmative Action, which is essentially what part of this discussion is about, isn't about how many are in the actual market, it's about how many are in society as a whole. Perhaps there are few "black" wrestlers out there because they haven't been displayed prominently in the past. This goes for any minority group out there.

 

Which is fine but WWE can't just grab people off the street and turn them into wrestlers. Sure they've tried but it doesn't work most of the time. So what you would have to do for WWE to become representative is to have them train raw kids into those roles. So far that has produced Mark Henry (who was getting a midcard push before his injury), Rodney Mack (who got a debut push but bombed), and Shelton (who's obviously good). So what we should really be doing right now is staring at the OVW roster and the nature there of in order to see if more minorities are on their way. I dont think there is.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

From what I hear, Hunter didn't want to drop the title because "he wasn't feeling like it". I doubt Goldberg had anything to do with it because they started to feud MONTHS after Mania and they postponed the feud FOR NASH.

[Guest Goodear]

Then that is systematic discrimination.  The policy of pushing promo guys and not having managers - which is preference rather than necessitity - allow it to happen.  It is not a bona fide occupational qualification for the 2 reasons I listed above.

 

By those terms its systematic discrimination that they prefer tall and good looking people with nice hair. Face it RRR, the largest money makers in the history of the industry have been able to cut promos like gods (Hogan, Flair, Austin, Rock). To say that skill shouldn't matter to Vince is like saying he shouldn't care about how they look. Certain things are there to drive the market and microphone skills is one of the largest pieces.

 

And I agree with you, they aren't racist in hiring because they *do* hire minorities, HOWEVER, the proportion of "whites" on-screen, in comparison to i) the wrestlers they have and ii)society, looks to be 2:1, maybe 3:1, and 'backstage' looks to be 100:1.  There is a problem there, especially in regards to management.

 

Well according to the WWE backstage the world is also about half Canadian.

[chaosrage 0]

So the WWE doesn't have the "proper proportion" of blacks as society as a whole.

 

Does ANY sport have a "proper" racial breakdown? Yes, I know wrestling isn't a sport.

Can you say Football, Baseball, Basketball and Soccer.

There's not many white guys in the NBA, it must be racist! This is an outrage! They should be exploited!

[Guest What_ever]

Obviously, WWE is racist.

 

There's pathetic Asian insults every damn week... and it never once has been funny.

 

~I's be yo' mamma.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

By Canadian standards, there are 3 criteria to assess the appropriateness of Bona Fide Occupational Qualification:

 

1. Is the standard rationally connected to the performance of the job?

 

2. Was the standard established in an houst belief that it was necessary to accomplish the purpose identified in stage one.

 

3. Is the standard reasonably necessary to accomplish its purpose?

 

Now, given the fact that wrestlers have gotten over i) without being english (Tajiri, for example), ii)without being a great promo (Warrior), iii)by in-ring work (where the majority of their product is shown), it would be hard for the WWE to justify it necessary for a wrestler to speak english as-long-as he is able to communicate with their partners in the ring effectively.

[Guest MikeSC]

By Canadian standards, there are 3 criteria to assess the appropriateness of Bona Fide Occupational Qualification:

 

1. Is the standard rationally connected to the performance of the job?

 

2. Was the standard established in an houst belief that it was necessary to accomplish the purpose identified in stage one.

 

3. Is the standard reasonably necessary to accomplish its purpose?

 

Now, given the fact that wrestlers have gotten over i) without being english (Tajiri, for example), ii)without being a great promo (Warrior), iii)by in-ring work (where the majority of their product is shown), it would be hard for the WWE to justify it necessary for a wrestler to speak english as-long-as he is able to communicate with their partners in the ring effectively.

Rudo, because SOME people can succeed without it doesn't mean the standards are UNREASONABLE.

 

Some people could run huge companies without a college degree. Does that mean ANY company that requires a degree to even get a job is being unreasonable?

-=Mike

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

It's not just about unreasonable, it's about unnecessary. Are mic skills unnecessary in professional wrestling? Yes. And it's been proven because SOME people can succeed; if it were necessary, they wouldn't have.

 

Your analogy doesn't work because companies and circumstances differ. I am talking about one company. I am sure there are circumstances where a college degree is necessary, and circumstances where they are not. The wrestling equivalent of that wouldn't be mic skills, however. It would be wrestling training. It would be easier for the WWE to justify the necessity for proper training than for promos.

[Guest sanyo]

So the WWE doesn't have the "proper proportion" of blacks as society as a whole.

 

Does ANY sport have a "proper" racial breakdown? Yes, I know wrestling isn't a sport.

Can you say Football, Baseball, Basketball and Soccer.

There's not many white guys in the NBA, it must be racist! This is an outrage! They should be exploited!

Yeah but Chaosrage, basketball is not "fixed". The "best" get to play. In wrestling there is no such thing as the "best" and we have seen that throughout history buddy. Was Sid the "best"? NO WAY! Basketball, like any sport, is determine by skill and the "best" play. Understand? Garnett is at the top because he is the "best" not because he's tall or has a good look. In wrestling the top guy doesn't mean he is the best. Hell if he wanted McMahon could push you to the World Title spot. That's how it works in wrestling.

[Guest sanyo]

Wrestler sues WWE

Aug. 27, 2002

A Sikh professional grappler is pile-driving wrestling im-presario Vince McMahon's company with accusations of religious and ethnic harassment.

 

Gurjit Singh Hans - whose ring name is Tiger Ali Singh - claims his turban, which is sacred in the Sikh religion, was swiped in 1999 from a locker and desecrated by World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. workers. He says they stuffed it with cigarette butts and garbage, and called the Indian-descended wrestler a "taxi driver."

 

"Another turban belonging to Gurjit Singh Hans was torn into pieces backstage and placed on the head of a mentally disturbed person for the 'amusement' of the WWE personnel present," Hans, 31, claims in a legal filing.

 

The Ontario, Canada, resident says the harassment coincided and escalated with WWE efforts to get out of its contractwith him. The conduct included WWE demands that he wear his turban as a "gimmick" during matches, and make pre-match speeches that "referenced persons of Indian descent as likely being perceived as taxi driver and convenience-store operators," his filing says.

 

He also claims he suffered a career-ending injury last December when he was forced to perform in an outdoor tag-team match in pouring rain.

 

Hans' lawyer Bruce Ewing said the McMahon-controlled WWE acted in an "appalling" manner toward Hans, who has asked an arbitration panel for a ruling against the company. Hans is seeking $7 million from WWE, which has stopped paying his contract.

 

His father, Jagjit Singh Hans - who became a wrestling legend in Asia as Tiger Jeet Singh - wants $1 million in a separate arbitration action that claims the WWE stopped paying him in 1999.

 

WWE lawyer Jerry McDevitt said the company was not aware of any harassment Gurjit Hans may have suffered, and that it legally stopped paying him because he no longer can wrestle.

 

The lawyer also said the WWE is not responsible for Gurjit Hans' injury, which was incurred during another company's match.

 

"People make all kind of claims against the WWE, and when youget to the facts, you find that they're seldom found to be true," McDevitt said.

 

 

 

McDevitt is an idiot and of course he'll stick up to the WWE. So you guys I doubt Tiger went through all that trouble to fake the accusations. The wrestlers insulted him and the management felted he could be a taxi driver like RRR stated in an earlier post as to how they treat ethnic wrestlers. How nice of them. Now whether every statement made by Singh is true, I don't know. I would venture to believe that most of them are true escpecially the part where management felt he needed a turban because he was Indian. This is one incident but this is the WWE folks- a bunch of racist bastards.

Umm, Tiger Ali was canned because he utterly sucked. He was useless in the ring and horrendous on the mic. Do I buy his accusations? As much as I bought Sable's --- and that would be a big, ol NO.

So the WWE doesn't have the "proper proportion" of blacks as society as a whole.

OK Mike I don't think you have a clue. What does him having to suck have to do with this? Sure Tiger was not the most gifted guy in the ring but he had "decent" promo skills. Better than 70% of the locker room but because he had to do stupid stereotypical shit he never got over OK? And I think he was fairly quick for a guy his size. He wouldn't hire a high priced lawyer to lie buddy. What is the point if he has no proof? I"m sure he launched the lawsuit because he has some proof! Like I said maybe not everything he said happened, but surely in an industry such as this I would think some of it is certainly true. You honestly, deep down inside Mike think McMahon would know what to do with an Asian? He has no clue except the stereotypes he conjures up in his mind.

 

Same with Hispanics. Someone said JBL is making racial remarks to generate heel heat? Well even I can call someone a wetback and get heat. What makes a wrestler great is insulting a guy without having to include his race, background, etc. The WWE and JBL aren't creative enough because McMahon has copied/stolen almost everything from other organizations like WCW and ECW. McMahon is the worst when it comes to creating gimmicks and even worse when it comes to minorities.

[chaosrage 0]

Yeah but Chaosrage, basketball is not "fixed". The "best" get to play. In wrestling there is no such thing as the "best" and we have seen that throughout history buddy.

ROFL! There's no such thing as the best? So Mabel is on the same level as Chris Benoit?

 

Was Sid the "best"? NO WAY!

 

Yeah, that's why he didn't stay at the top for long. Where as the Rock stayed at the top for years.

 

Hell if he wanted McMahon could push you to the World Title spot. That's how it works in wrestling.

 

Sure it does.

 

They could give David Arquette the belt too and it wouldn't matter. That's how it works in wrestling. Oh wait.

[The Decemberists 0]

In wrestling there is no such thing as the "best" and we have seen that throughout history buddy. Was Sid the "best"? NO WAY!

 

Don't be stupid for god's sake.

 

This is a "best" in wrestling. Just a different "best" to that in 'proper sport'. A wrestler is better than another in the way an actor, for example, is better than another actor. A "better" wrestler is one who can draw someone emotionally into a match and can entertain more than another. So wrestler A can best "best" when compared to wrestlers B, C and D.

[Guest sanyo]

Yeah that's why JBL is getting a chance. People get so emotionally into him. He's so good that he should get a title shot over guys like Booker. Please.

[The Decemberists 0]

I never said that JBL was one of the "best", and I certainly never said he was getting his push because of that.

 

Are you just making up your own arguments now?

 

JBL's push is coming about, as far as I can see, just because he's been there for eight years and it's his reward I guess, in the same way Bob Holly got his big push. Not because Vince thought "Oh crap, we're running out of white guys to challenge".

 

There is no chance in hell i can see Bradshaw will win the belt, ever, ever, ever. Ever. And I'll be quoted on that when he does

 

And would any racist company have Rikishi as a main event guy after running over Austin when there was a nice white boy like Billy Gunn, for example, they could've used?

[Mearl267 0]

It sure is easy to look at the negatives instead of the positives, isn't it?

 

What you call 'racism', I call a global company pushing the envelope and going for some publicity. There's nothing wrong with a little controversy every now and then, especially when the industy is trying to pull out of a slump.

[Guest MikeSC]

OK Mike I don't think you have a clue.

Wow, I thought that about you from the get-go.

 

I was just too polite to mention it.

What does him having to suck have to do with this? Sure Tiger was not the most gifted guy in the ring but he had "decent" promo skills. Better than 70% of the locker room but because he had to do stupid stereotypical shit he never got over OK?

Clearly, you never saw or heard him.

And I think he was fairly quick for a guy his size. He wouldn't hire a high priced lawyer to lie buddy.

Yeah, NOBODY would POSSIBLY sue for no reason. NEVER happens. Frivolous lawsuits are a MYTH!

What is the point if he has no proof? I"m sure he launched the lawsuit because he has some proof!

Ah, to be young and exceptionally naive again.

Like I said maybe not everything he said happened, but surely in an industry such as this I would think some of it is certainly true. You honestly, deep down inside Mike think McMahon would know what to do with an Asian? He has no clue except the stereotypes he conjures up in his mind.

I love that you enjoy stereotyping Vince so much.

Same with Hispanics. Someone said JBL is making racial remarks to generate heel heat? Well even I can call someone a wetback and get heat. What makes a wrestler great is insulting a guy without having to include his race, background, etc.

Clearly, Bradshaw ISN'T great. He's playing the same role Art Barr & Eddy Guerrero played in AAA.

The WWE and JBL aren't creative enough because McMahon has copied/stolen almost everything from other organizations like WCW and ECW. McMahon is the worst when it comes to creating gimmicks and even worse when it comes to minorities.

And, God knows, you're open-minded enough to know.

Yeah that's why JBL is getting a chance. People get so emotionally into him. He's so good that he should get a title shot over guys like Booker. Please.

Heck, NO chance they might use Booker in a ME LATER, huh?

-=Mike

[Shooting Star 0]

I agree on the WWE being racist but i haven't really been offended by the stuff they have done. I am hispanic and i actually think the JBL gimmick is funny

[Guest Korgath]

Let the record state that I am a Singaporean of Chinese descent.

 

Well, having been a mark for the WWE for the past 6 years (and a smark for about half that time), I have never found the WWE to be racist. I still am a huge mark for KaienTai, despite their over-the-top glorified JTTS status. True, they have had pretty silly gimmicks both in the past and even right now, but I have never found them to be racist. Indeed, as most of the pro-WWE stands in this thread have argued, there is and has been representation from several minorities.

 

What I do know is the total over-reliance on racial stereotypes and racist gimmicks. Sure, it's an easy way to get heel heat, but it gets very irritating when Brock, Angle and now JBL are using playing the race card to get ahead in the feud. It's uncreative and it's starting to bore.

 

On the flipside, we have the anti-American gimmick, used by almost EVERY non-American to get heel heat. Granted, the U.S. foreign policy is getting flack from the international community, but when there's already La Resistance, why bring in another anti-American in Hirohito? Surely there must be something else he could be doing...?

[Guest MikeSC]

Let the record state that I am a Singaporean of Chinese descent.

 

Well, having been a mark for the WWE for the past 6 years (and a smark for about half that time), I have never found the WWE to be racist. I still am a huge mark for KaienTai, despite their over-the-top glorified JTTS status. True, they have had pretty silly gimmicks both in the past and even right now, but I have never found them to be racist. Indeed, as most of the pro-WWE stands in this thread have argued, there is and has been representation from several minorities.

 

What I do know is the total over-reliance on racial stereotypes and racist gimmicks. Sure, it's an easy way to get heel heat, but it gets very irritating when Brock, Angle and now JBL are using playing the race card to get ahead in the feud. It's uncreative and it's starting to bore.

 

On the flipside, we have the anti-American gimmick, used by almost EVERY non-American to get heel heat. Granted, the U.S. foreign policy is getting flack from the international community, but when there's already La Resistance, why bring in another anti-American in Hirohito? Surely there must be something else he could be doing...?

Given how bad Kenzo Suzuki is --- no, they probably couldn't do much more with him.

 

And, sadly, they'll likely stick him on SD.

-=Mike

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You are right that a certain wrestler can be better than another, but to act like the WWE hasn't been somewhat racist and sexist in its portrail of women and minorities is a complete idiot. I am sorry, but if ABC had a show where every Black or Hispanic person was a rapper, thief, and talked with a bad accent weather or not they needed to they would have people every where up in arms. I am sorry, but for the HHH/Booker fued to end with HHH going over cleanly after all the racial enuendo was just ridiculous. I mean I love the WWE and all, but think about this for a quick second think about all the black wrestlers they have had over the past ten years. All of them have been either pimps, rappers, dancers, sexual predators(Mark Henry), or monsters. The only two that I can mention that haven't been are Benjamin and The Rock, and most people didn't even know The Rock was black. They just thought he was Samoan, or had a good tan. I know I am not the only wrestling fan who was asked what the Rock's nationality is. I mean the fact that they still make Eddy talk with that totally exaggerated accent should be enough to make you wonder. But,now the last three opponents he has faced have all pulled the race card. The division that would generate the most interest for the majority of hispanic and asian athletes they have is treated like a joke and an after thought. And people inside the company have said racial slurs on air and not been punished in anyway. Yeah no signs of racism there at all.

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I suppose Piper is the closest to Irish, being Scottish...you got the Celtic connection going on there

 

Actually Piper is Canadian, thats just his gimmick. Read his book and you'll find out.

 

I'm going to say this again and Sanyo read up, THEIR JUST GIMMICKS AND IDEAS! Do you remember what happen with WCW and the racist lawsuit that was brought up by Ernest Miller, Sonny Ono, Booker T and a few others? Seriously if anyone in that lockerroom had a problem with being sterotyped they'd leave and sue the hell outta the WWE. Do you honestly beleave that Booker T didn't say it was ok to bring up his past? That's his personnal buissness and he could have told them "No, I rather have that not exposed to the public." Yeah it pist me off how King and HHH were making those comments, but it pist me off more when my friend started doing it while we were watching WM19, then I made him shut up, it doesn't matter how..I just did. The whole purpose of the JBL vs every illegal mexican in the U.S.A. is suppose to shock people. WWE has been doing this forever! WWE thinks that if someone sees this, they'll call up their friend and say to them "You gotta turn to Smackdown to see what Bradshaw is doing!" And as far as Tajiri goes, the same goes for him as it did with Booker T. I'm sure if he had a huge issue with it, he'd take off and sue. Now as far as Hirohito (sp?) goes, its been done so many times in the past does Ludwig Bolga ring a bell? Same thing, what about Berlin? I mean yeah it was in WCW but it was the same gimmick. That sort of gimmick is done all the time in wrestling, so I suggest getting used to it.

 

As far as Eddy's speaking goes, I don't really think the WWE is making him talk like that. I mean I really doubt that someone in WWE is going "Eddy you gotta talk this way, or we'll fire you!". I just think everyone is looking way to deep into this. Hell people are offended by the Eugene gimmick, and thats not mentioned in here at all. That should be racist too, shouldn't it? Go ahead and bicker about that now.

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I skimmed through the thread, so sorry if this has been mentioned:

 

1) Re HHH being racist, I seem to remember a promo of DX going to New York where they poked fun at minorities based purely on the fact they weren't American.

 

2) Yes, JBLs comments are pretty much racist, but he's playing the heel putting down Eddies race until Eddie puts one over on him at JD and proves Bradfields full of shit.