Coey, Tom,Teh Helmet, and Life

[Guest cosbywasmurdered]

I've been generally pretty quiet lately about my opinion of how the site has been ran. I've got nothing personal against any of the Moderator's, I'm good friends with a few of them. Helmet and I go way back, and Coey was never one of my beefs really.

 

Anyway...

 

Ok, I was going to let Sass handle this but since he is MIA, I'll take it...

 

Will...dude. You hate TSM. You're not like me with my periodic hate/love thing. You've made it clear before at SKNT and on AIM how you feel. Why come back? How'd you put it...TSM is weed to you? It was fun and then it made you sleepy.

 

Well maybe you should get more sleep because you're majorly off track here.

 

No one is debating the fact that Coey is a talented writer. That's really not disputable. The mad has talent. But he broke the rules. Yes that doesn't mean that you can't work for the site or vica versa. Austinhhh4life got fired from TSM but still postes, and I'm sure there are other cases.

 

But Coey inspired larger and more complex feelings from the posters...and last I checked the posters are the TSM readers. Why hire someone that it's known that most people dislike? Yes, he's talented but it sets a bad example. Why not hire Gheyme to write about Fashion? Or Eagan about Wrestling themes?

 

Conduct on the board should reflect on the person. It sends a negative message. Perhaps I'm reading too much into this. Perhaps no one really agrees with me. I don't know this isone opinion.

 

Anyway I'm glad to see you posting again, I miss you being around. Just chill, you've got a negative stigma going around and it's ghey since you're a good guy. But leave off Zssaszafras, he's just a kid.

 

as it seems, this is basically trolling. Others here (BPS and Jay Doring) have no love for Chris yet they could actually give excusable reasons for their dislike for him. What's your beef? The fact that he owned you in a previous argument? The fact that he offended you and your thin skin? The fact remains that Chris wasn't brought on board because of his kindness towards others. He was brought on board because his writing on WRESTLING is better than anything you have ever contributed to the site or board. Deal with it.

 

Now I'm going to have to REALLY disagree here. They're voicing their opinions. And what the heck is wrong with that. And the way you're treating them isn't much of a show of "solidarity" is it?

 

Tom...

 

folks (this applies to everyone): If you have a problem with Chris, he's posted links to his own board and his email address in his articles. Grow a set and take your gripes up with him personally. Talking shit about someone when you know they can't respond is a cowardly cheap shot. If you want to discuss his articles like mature human beings, do so in Site Feedback. But I'm not going to put up with a flame party against one of our writers. I'll show a united front for them, even if no one else does.

 

A cheap shot? Well we better stop making jokes about every wrestler then since they don't get the chance to respond. This is Hardcore Discusision if we want we can make fun of other people's cultures and values...or is that more of a Currents Event thing?

 

A flame party against a writer? It's your READERS speaking up about how they feel. We tried talking about this in Feedback and it get's ignored. So what do you expect them to do? Just give up? Accept it with out a little bitching and moaning? Christ.

 

Go to Coey's board and tell him off? so we can be the bad guys? We did that at other places and it was called "Invasions" and Dames(...you do remember him? Hispanic fella? Owns TSM?) well he told us not to do that anymore.

 

Why should we find something else to talk about?

 

Okay...

 

I got a question...

 

Did Dames approve of all these chages? These new Super Monds for example? I doubt it, but that's just me.

[Sandman9000 0]

I didn't get to say this in the Coey thread before it was closed, so here's me chance.

 

My question is where does it say that everyone on the staff has to be all lovey-dovey for each other and think that everything on the site is great? The way Tom scolded BPS and Jay in that thread made it seem that speaking out against the party line is uncalled for. The two had opinions, stated in a place where such opinions could be stated, and they are disciplined for it. Sure, I'm friends with Jay and BPS never did me any harm, but that's irrelevant here.

 

My other beef deals with feedback for Coey's articles. Sure, he's got his own board, but the fact is that his work is now here and it reflects on the site as well as the board, so why should comments towards his work not be directed here as well? I don't know what the deal is with being banned, so I don't know if he can see the board or not, but should comments regarding a piece on the TSM site be directed to the TSM board as well?

[Guest Black Tiger]

I would hazzard to guess that comments about Chris' latest column would be welcome at the board, although Chris obviously won't be able to reply or respond to them, in which case you're better off using e-mail or registering over at his board.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

I am more upset that my Chris Coey thread got closed before I could play in it.

 

I say let Coey come back. Who cares? I find his angry tirades to be more enriching than any of the new posters we've had in the past year. Its true. He did more good than bad.

 

And

 

Tom shouldn't get all power hungry on his writers. Oh no, bps and Jay voiced a different opinion! FOR SHAME!!! I never knew we were living in Soviet Russia. We aren't in Russia, are we? I didn't think so. Regardless of whether one agrees with their viewpoint, everyone should be able to voice their opinion without the high and mighty chastizing them.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I'm shocked you spoke up Banky...Memoirs, considering what you said to me.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Moreover Tom, how can you be so hypocritical to stress a unified stance as writers right after treating bps and Jay like your little subordinates. You treated them like little children. Thats far more disrespectful than anything they did. I don't care that you're in charge. I don't care whats going on with Dames. But maybe you should step away from this sutuation for a second and realise how much of a disengenous, condescending, and patronizing cocksucker you look like at times. So Tom, mon frere, its YOU who outta be ashamed for how you acted towards bps and Jay.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Coey isn't evena the main issue. It's about people not being allowed to speak on an issue that's obviously a major sore spot for people.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I have a question:

 

Who is coming to the site alone, and not the board? Because without the board there's really nothing on the site that would make it stand out to me. I've always kind of looked at it as an appendage to the board.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Moreover Tom, how can you be so hypocritical to stress a unified stance as writers right after treating bps and Jay like your little subordinates. You treated them like little children. Thats far more disrespectful than anything they did. I don't care that you're in charge. I don't care whats going on with Dames. But maybe you should step away from this sutuation for a second and realise how much of a disengenous, condescending, and patronizing cocksucker you look like at times. So Tom, mon frere, its YOU who outta be ashamed for how you acted towards bps and Jay.

They aren't Marney...are you shocked?

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I rarely speak out against the way things are run here because overall the administration does a pretty good job. That being said, I feel Tom's open chastisement of BPS and Jay was a bigger affront to the "united front" than them voicing their opinions on Chris Coey.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

What was the original point that was trying to be made in this thread? Spell it out, because that didn't go anywhere constructive. It was some "Yeah..well, these people don't like Chris Coey that much," then a bunch of grease towards Tom for his scolding (which I thought was pretty ghey myself), and ended with questioning my possession of the blue truncheon of moderation.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

The point is that Malibu is the only who is in contact with Dames.

 

That Stopping people from speaking up is wrong and dumb.

 

And the point is that people should feel free here to talk about how they feel about TSM and all the recent changes that have happened without Dames.

 

Why didn't Dames mention the coming new mods when he posted the one thread?

 

I don't dislike any of the new mods, i'm just curious

[Firestarter 0]

They aren't Marney...are you shocked?

How the hell did I get pulled into this?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

This is a message board, and I do think that decisions made by moderators that stifle conversation, whether that by an intended effect of said descision or merely an unintentional byproduct - are wrong. I also must add that since Dames has left the number of closed threads due to arguments has gone up dramatically. WHY? Why do the mods have to close any little thread that they feel threatened by?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Ok. Agreed on all points except the first, which I don't know anything about. I'm certainly not in contact with Dames.

 

As for the mod thing, I can't help but think Dames was talked into something. Heh. I don't think I've given a reason for him to reverse that tentative nod, though, were that the case.

[Angle-plex 0]

Dames is the man in charge and it's wrong to do all of this without him here. I've been here a long time and the recent way that TSM has been run is retarded. Hence why I haven't been posting much lately.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Not saying you have AoO.

 

And Marney...I gotta mention you. You are the one that had the crush on me. that thread should be in classics

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

This is a message board, and I do think that decisions made by moderators that stifle conversation, whether that by an intended effect of said descision or merely an unintentional byproduct - are wrong. I also must add that since Dames has left the number of closed threads due to arguments has gone up dramatically. WHY? Why do the mods have to close any little thread that they feel threatened by?

I've closed one thread that was obviously stupid. You're clearly thinking of specific examples, so you should state them, Zsasz.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Ok. Agreed on all points except the first, which I don't know anything about. I'm certainly not in contact with Dames.

 

As for the mod thing, I can't help but think Dames was talked into something. Heh. I don't think I've given a reason for him to reverse that tentative nod, though, were that the case.

I am the only one able to get in touch with Damian, because we are good friends off the board, and I've got his number and vice versa. We chat once a week at least about things. Nobody else has talked to him, unless it was through me.

[MrRant 0]

Goddamn Communists.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

This is a message board, and I do think that decisions made by moderators that stifle conversation, whether that by an intended effect of said descision or merely an unintentional byproduct - are wrong. I also must add that since Dames has left the number of closed threads due to arguments has gone up dramatically. WHY? Why do the mods have to close any little thread that they feel threatened by?

I've closed one thread that was obviously stupid. You're clearly thinking of specific examples, so you should state them, Zsasz.

You are correct, AoO:

 

- The Coey thread was closed, obviously.

 

- CWM's thread about the WWE folder.

 

- Both Ghettoman threads

 

- The Anti-French sentiment in CE thread (By Tom, believe it or not)

 

 

None of these threads were GREAT, but why were they closed? Why not just let discussion blow over after everyone's said their peace? When I came here the number of closed threads was MINIMAL, now it's a daily occurance.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Obviously there are many other examples beyond those.

[Guest Dids]

I'd like to add myself to the list of peope who think Tom was way the hell off base with what he said.

 

The first post in this thread is totally on point.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Thank you all for speaking up.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I'm not Tom (whom I'm pretty sure closed every one of those) but I'll venture a guess. The two Ghettoman threads just ended up in a bunch of flamebaiting over something dumb. (Dumb enough to where I can't remember exactly what it was about.) The Anti-french thing had been covered before, and I never read the WWE folder thread, I don't think.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I'm not Tom (whom I'm pretty sure closed every one of those) but I'll venture a guess. The two Ghettoman threads just ended up in a bunch of flamebaiting over something dumb. (Dumb enough to where I can't remember exactly what it was about.) The Anti-french thing had been covered before, and I never read the WWE folder thread, I don't think.

No, Sass closed a few.

[Guest Dids]

Thread closing is good. Not only does it stop stupid conversations, it leaves them there as an example of what not to do.

 

If a thread is closed for the wrong reasons- the mods should just expect to hear about it and admit that they may have fucked up.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Debate should be encouraged, and barring certain circumstances, I don't think threads should be closed. They should simply die on their own, as things will eventually blow over, people get bored, move on, etc. That's just my opinion.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Debate should be encouraged, and barring certain circumstances, I don't think threads should be closed. They should simply die on their own, as things will eventually blow over, people get bored, move on, etc. That's just my opinion.

Thank you, Zack.

 

You just said it perfectly.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

At least Malibu can be counted on.