I'm close to giving up on WWE forever...

[Downhome 0]

Don't forget about the Torrie/TBS saga!

[Guest Y2G]

with non-stop pushes of people like Test, and completely retarded "pushes" for Goldust & Lance Storm.

Now you see, i have a problem with that part.

 

What's retarted about pushing Lance Storm? Or even Goldust? (Well, Goldust is a different story). If they really put Lance in a good plot and build a good storyline around it... They couldv'e given him some of the respect he should have gotten.

 

That is comming from a new found Storm mark :-)

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

That is comming from a new found Storm mark :-)

 

Not exactly the greatest time to start following Storm's in-ring career...

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

What's retarted about pushing Lance Storm?

Dancing Fool Lance Storm is an insult to what he can do in the ring, and served no purpose than to make him look like a jackass in front of thousands of people in attendance and millions of people watching at home.

[Guest Y2G]

That is comming from a new found Storm mark :-)

 

Not exactly the greatest time to start following Storm's in-ring career...

Nah, I'm talking a few months. But yes, a little late.

 

My only hope is that maybe the OVW talents will justify the name talents after being trained (also) by him.

[Guest Y2G]

What's retarted about pushing Lance Storm?

Dancing Fool Lance Storm is an insult to what he can do in the ring, and served no purpose than to make him look like a jackass in front of thousands of people in attendance and millions of people watching at home.

Quote the whole thing i said :-) It went on "If they really put Lance in a good plot and build a good storyline around it... They couldv'e given him some of the respect he should have gotten"

 

The song and dance angle was stupid. But the man should have been pushed.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Stop watching SmackDown until you hear it's good again. That's what I'd do.

 

And stop bitching because you can't tell your friends about watching wrestling. God that shit is so common around here and it annoys me. Was it any easier to tell your friends about wrestling back in the way early days when it played up on trailer park stereotypes and men flinging pig shit at each other wasn't uncommon? Hm?

 

Seriously, that "complaint" against the WWE is always just someone scapegoating for their own social angst.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

RAW has become quite an entertaining (although match quality still isn't anything to write home about)

The 6 man and title match wasn't good enough for TV matches?

I knew someone would bring this up(I should've been more specific). Actually what I meant was that they do put good matches on and that's not the problem. But some weeks they just have all out and out crap on their shows with NO good wrestling(quality wise) at all. I just have high expectations because they could be doing a lot better(match wise) with the talent they have. But there have been making steps in the right direction as of late.

[JoeDirt 0]

Hey, if you don't enjoy watching the shows anymore, then why do it?

 

But you'll be back one day...Vince always knows the hardcore smarks will always come back because we just can't give it up.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

What's retarted about pushing Lance Storm?

Dancing Fool Lance Storm is an insult to what he can do in the ring, and served no purpose than to make him look like a jackass in front of thousands of people in attendance and millions of people watching at home.

Quote the whole thing i said :-) It went on "If they really put Lance in a good plot and build a good storyline around it... They couldv'e given him some of the respect he should have gotten"

 

The song and dance angle was stupid. But the man should have been pushed.

Oh good, but the second I read that I weant WTF. WWE pushed Storm before that, as an "Un-American", which of course went over like a fart in church.

[Guest Trivia247]

maybe there is still ways to be a mark for Lance storm..if they give him a career as being a trainer for the OVW and any of these youngins get pushed up using Lance storm trademark moves you'd like mark out...whoa Half Crab thats soooo Lance storm

 

maybe not

[Guest Y2G]

What's retarted about pushing Lance Storm?

Dancing Fool Lance Storm is an insult to what he can do in the ring, and served no purpose than to make him look like a jackass in front of thousands of people in attendance and millions of people watching at home.

Quote the whole thing i said :-) It went on "If they really put Lance in a good plot and build a good storyline around it... They couldv'e given him some of the respect he should have gotten"

 

The song and dance angle was stupid. But the man should have been pushed.

Oh good, but the second I read that I weant WTF. WWE pushed Storm before that, as an "Un-American", which of course went over like a fart in church.

Well. i hate the USA/Canada angles and all that nationalization stupidity.

 

Storm was first treated like a no good piece of ... being "allowed" to wrestle in WWE. Then the un-Americans (Like you said "Went over like..."). Then he was deemed "Boring" by SCSA. and to top it all - They made him John Travolta (and not the pulp fiction one either).

 

If that's their idea of a push... Maybe there is a point for the bitch and moan session:-)

 

Now, If they really wanted to push him, they would have done with him something like what they did with Orton. For example.

[Hektik 0]

Smackdown, on the other hand, I don't watch because you know, I have a brain. I don't need to start threads "Blah blah I'm not watching, you should care about what I do". If something looks good, I'll press record and scan through later. If not, no skin off my ass.

 

I hate to say this, but Smackdown was BETTER with Brock Lesnar, and this is coming from a non-Brock fan.

Do you know what else would make Smackdown better, having Chris Benoit, Edge, and Shelton Benjamin on the show. Having Brock Lesnar stay and having Kurt Angle ready to wrestle. I hear people say how good Raw is, and it is, but the reason is because their fresh talent are Smackdown guys. Smackdown never got properly compensated for all those guys that went to Raw. SD got stale acts like the Dudleys, RVD, and Booker T. The person who should be on Smackdown as the top heel is Chris Jericho. But they've really hung Eddy out there to dry and he will have to be the scapegoat.

[Guest Trivia247]

They gave Lance a pretty decent run title wise, two or so tag titles, IC title at the start of his WWF career.

 

Problem was they never stayed consistant with him, Pushes sometime last a good long while, and some just fizzle out.

 

Technically Storm is up there with a Benoit or a Hart obviously from who was training him.

 

But unfortunately for Storm he came in during the age of the character is > than Skill.

 

And he never developed any more too their silly satisfaction which is a shame because a straight lace Storm would skill kick ass. especially when put against people like Edge and others who can play off that.

 

but again they never were consistant with him and that is a damn shame. I do hope they keep him employed as some compacity. Hell they are thinking on a new Tough enough, Al Snow might not wanna be the head guy anymore, throw Storm in there. Or have Snow there and Storm as the secondary trainer.

[cawthon777 0]

WWE pushed Storm before that, as an "Un-American", which of course went over like a fart in church.

Actually that was very over until they killed it off by bringing Kane back and having him single handedly destroy all the Un Americans.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Until they end this ridiculous "brand extension" the company will not reach its maximum capabilities. But I'll stand by my belief that wrestling as we all knew it is dead. Or I just don't care anymore.

[cawthon777 0]

Not just Raw--WWE in general. Lita's a better actress than Torrie, at least.

Hardly. Lita was so awful on Monday night that it was like a car crash you couldn't turn away from. Those screams were laughable. She serves no purpose whatsoever.

 

...At least Torrie looks good.

[Guest Y2G]

Until they end this ridiculous "brand extension" the company will not reach its maximum capabilities. But I'll stand by my belief that wrestling as we all knew it is dead. Or I just don't care anymore.

I heard this opinion before. What i didn't hear is a suggestion of how to deal with the roster TV time wise? Who will you bench? Maineventers or wrestlers in mid push?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

WWE pushed Storm before that, as an "Un-American", which of course went over like a fart in church.

Actually that was very over until they killed it off by bringing Kane back and having him single handedly destroy all the Un Americans.

Well it was really cheap heat that worked, but being destroyed every week by Kane for about a month just killed them.

[Guest PowerPB13]

Well, if there's one thing I've learned from being an online wrestling fan, it's this: Professional wrestling will never, ever get it right. Ever.

 

If professional wrestling is giving you that much misery, then walk away. Sacrificing one's personal happiness isn't worth it.

 

-Patrick

[res37618 0]

Well, if there's one thing I've learned from being an online wrestling fan, it's this: Professional wrestling will never, ever get it right. Ever.

 

If professional wrestling is giving you that much misery, then walk away. Sacrificing one's personal happiness isn't worth it.

 

-Patrick

Agreed.

 

I really get kinda tired of hearing/reading some of the responses from people who complain so much about the product. Yeah, it's not perfect, and yeah, there's a bunch of things I would change - but for the most part, I really love Monday and Thursday night. Even at it's most inane, wrestling is still fun, entertaining, and sometimes enthralling programming.

 

The brand extension is working, folks. It's made the "Big 4" PPV's more important again, and it's giving some new guys TV time, even if they're not in the main event scene. Yes, Smackdown seems far inferior right now, but it's entirely possible that some new stars will come from that show - Rene Dupree, John Cena, and yes, even JBL - he's a "hoss," but you have to admit that the current gimmick is something that gives him good heel heat and more credibility as a singles star. I'm sure that things will become balanced in due time. Smackdown seems to be a work in progress, while RAW has become the more "established" place to be. Who's to say that the trend won't be completely reversed in 6 months to a year?

 

If it makes you THAT unhappy, then just quit watching. I get really annoyed when I read the same "I hate this shit, I'm gonna quit watching, it's so lame" crap every single week, and you still keep watching. Sometimes wrestling is good, sometimes it's not so good, but it's always worth watching for a few hours a week away from the headaches of the "real world" . . . . if you can't see it for that, you're not a fan anymore.

 

That's my two cents, anyway.

[Eclipse 0]

Well, back then, wrestling was at a low, right before the Attitude era. The internet wasn't rampant. If the net wasn't up and running now, NONE of these thoughts would be in none of our heads. I guarantee it....

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Well, back then, wrestling was at a low, right before the Attitude era. The internet wasn't rampant. If the net wasn't up and running now, NONE of these thoughts would be in none of our heads. I guarantee it....

Kinda off topic, but even back in 1995, as a mark who cheered for ANY babyface, I thought the Mabel in Main Event thing sucked, and I didn't even want to see Summerslam 95 until Ramon/HBK was replacing Sid/HBK.

 

But otherwise, I'd agree.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Until they end this ridiculous "brand extension" the company will not reach its maximum capabilities.  But I'll stand by my belief that wrestling as we all knew it is dead.  Or I just don't care anymore.

I heard this opinion before. What i didn't hear is a suggestion of how to deal with the roster TV time wise? Who will you bench? Maineventers or wrestlers in mid push?

How many wrestlers in mid-push will ultimately fail anyway. Let those people go and develop their skills elsewhere. Do we need Garrison Cade? No. Jindrak? No. Bashams? No. Scotty 2 Hotty? Sorry. Rico? It just won't work. Test? Will never work. Kidman? Boring. Hardcore Holly? A waste. The list is endless with people who really have no place being on the roster.

 

Concentrate on Orton, Batista, Haas, Benjamin, London, Chavo, Hardy, Booker, RVD, Rey, Edge, Christian, Noble, Cena, Dupree, Eugene (if it works), La Resistance, Tajiri, and so on

 

Combine those mid-carders with Main Eventers

 

Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Taker, Triple H, Kane, Angle

 

Thats enough superstars to fill one roster instead of two.

 

The rest should be cut.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I dont see how people managed to get through the majority of 2002 and most of 2003 and decide now to "give up" on the WWE when, for the sake of this argument, the entire WWE is much better than it was during that period. Granted Smackdown isn't that great right now but RAW is the best its been since the split.

[AndrewTS 0]

Well, back then, wrestling was at a low, right before the Attitude era. The internet wasn't rampant. If the net wasn't up and running now, NONE of these thoughts would be in none of our heads. I guarantee it....

Kinda off topic, but even back in 1995, as a mark who cheered for ANY babyface, I thought the Mabel in Main Event thing sucked, and I didn't even want to see Summerslam 95 until Ramon/HBK was replacing Sid/HBK.

I also agree. I actually started watching in 1995, and while I was able to enjoy some of the gimmicks despite their stupidity, since I was just a kid, HBK and Bret Hart made me want to watch. I knew they were good wrestlers, and their matches were always the highlight of the show for me. I didn't know much about selling or as much about psychology, but I knew I liked the smaller wrestlers who did a lot of moves and seemed to be wrestling more realistically than the tall/fat guys who could barely do a damn thing in the ring.

 

I thought Nash was very boring to watch, and I couldn't stand Mabel at all.

 

However, I'll admit to being a mark for Sid. The psycho-twitches and insane ranting he did made me laugh. I guess that's why people liked Warrior, too.

 

When Bret and HBK weren't challenging Diesel for the title, I was hoping Sid would take the title off him, because at least he wasn't as boring.

[Guest Ray]

Raw was a good show. The main event sucked. Not only did HBK/Benoit wrestled a significantly poorer effort than they did in the 1st match, as well as BOTH triple threats,

I don't know where this is coming from. I thought their first match was dull and wildly disappointing.

 

but the match was only serving one purpose: Destroy Benoit's credibility, and establish that Triple H runs the show, and can make it so anyone wins, as he sees fit.

Nonsense. It was done because (1) HHH wants to screw his long time rival Michaels out of the title and (2) HHH wants Benoit to retain, because Benoit made him tap at Wrestlemania. He knows he'll eventually get another title shot. He doesn't want to win the title back from Michaels. Shawn's lost to him time and time again. Benoit hasn't. Benoit is the one HHH wants to beat, so HHH interferes to make sure Benoit retains. Not because Benoit can't retain without his help, but because he wants to be absolutely certain Benoit is still champion at the end of the day.

 

There's his character's motivation. It's that simple.

 

Fuck Raw.

Well, since Raw is pretty damn good right now, I'd love to have intercourse with it.

[Guest JRE]

Raw's the best any WWE show has consitently been since the Invasion died. Hell, even before that.

 

But Smackdown sucks hard- you can stop watching that show, yeah. Then again, Smackdown is on a downward spiral until the point where it ends and the brands are merged.

[AndrewTS 0]

"They made him John Travolta (and not the pulp fiction one either)."

 

Too bad they didn't, but they did it already. It got BRADSHAW over, for cryin' out loud.

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

Wah!

 

Look wrestling has it's ups and downs just like any sports team. I'm tired of coming on this board to I hate HHH, Randy Orton, Bradshaw...etc.

 

HHH will always be there and at least he only up to beating up HBK.

 

Randy Orton is improving. I liked his Mania match.

 

Bradshaw will go where Hardcore Holly was: back in to the abyss.

 

 

Stop watching wrestling then you can spend your time dedicating your life to another TV soap opera where backstage politics are taking place.

 

 

Tazz and Cole > JR and King

 

 

The whole business is exposed because of the internet so you know what, stop reading the net and stop reading the spoilers.

 

 

What it comes down to is that everyone here should stop taking wrestling so seriously. Think about it: Guerrero and Benoit are champs. Shawn Michaels came back from retirement and has been wrestling some really great matches. Enjoy RAW at least. I know Smackdown sucks.