WMD found/used in Iraq.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Even if Iraq didn't have a fully functioning WMD program, stuff like this laying around certainly makes it look like Saddam violated the UN sanctions that said they were supposed to account for all of this stuff and then destroy it under controlled conditions.

Indeed but can any country really safely state that they know where every weapon like this is? Things like this get smuggled into country's all of the time, things get lost, and so forth.

 

I'm glad no one was killed though.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Indeed but can any country really safely state that they know where every weapon like this is? Things like this get smuggled into country's all of the time, things get lost, and so forth.

 

I'm glad no one was killed though.

They still find land mines...sometimes filled with mustard gas in old WWI battlefields.

[Guest TheAustralian]

Care to speicfy which SC resolutions they've broken?

 

Not resolutions as such, But for example Australia continues to get in trouble from the UN for our treatment towards people in our immigration detention centres.

 

America continues to be warned by the UN about mistreatment of prisoners and were also warned by the UN that invading Iraq without a resolution was illegal,

 

We as countries chose to ignore the UN,

 

It sounds pretty stupid when we continually bring up Iraq ignoring the UN when we continue to do so,

 

and I have been watching the coverage on Fox News and compared to other outlets they are doing what they do best sensationalising this story.

[Guest BDC]

The US going into Iraq without a resolution isn't exactly true, IMO. The resolutions Iraq ignored said there would be action taken if they didn't comply. We took action and the whiny babies on the security council pitched an absolute fit. Forgive us for enforcing the resolutions that have already been passed.

[Guest Cerebus]

Care to speicfy which SC resolutions they've broken?

 

Not resolutions as such, But for example Australia continues to get in trouble from the UN for our treatment towards people in our immigration detention centres.

 

America continues to be warned by the UN about mistreatment of prisoners and were also warned by the UN that invading Iraq without a resolution was illegal,

 

We as countries chose to ignore the UN,

 

It sounds pretty stupid when we continually bring up Iraq ignoring the UN when we continue to do so,

 

and I have been watching the coverage on Fox News and compared to other outlets they are doing what they do best sensationalising this story.

I belive you're confusing the UN with HRW, Amnesty International, and the Red Cross which aren't part of the UN at all.

[thuganomics 0]

Anyone who's seen pictures of the effects of Sarin even in small quantities, knows that it is a weapon of mass destruction. One dropper of the stuff in liquid form is enough to kill about a hundred people.

 

If that isn't a WMD, I don't know what definition you're using.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Despite Cerebus' ability to link the word "Wrong" to a snazzy-looking GIF, we did indeed sell Hussein weapons that could be used for WMD purposes. Congressional comittees have previously found this stuff out.

[Guest Cerebus]

Despite Cerebus' ability to link the word "Wrong" to a snazzy-looking GIF, we did indeed sell Hussein weapons that could be used for WMD purposes. Congressional comittees have previously found this stuff out.

Never looked at it did you? And do you care to show me said committee hearings?

[Guest TheAustralian]

What amazes me about this story, it that yesterday morning my time it was huge news on Fox News,

 

But then when I returned home from work, it failed to even get mentioned on our news outlets apart from a few tiny clips,

 

By the middle of the night the chest pumping by Fox news had turned into it "may" be Sarin, more tests needed,

 

this is not the first time this has happened

[Guest MikeSC]

What amazes me about this story, it that yesterday morning my time it was huge news on Fox News,

 

But then when I returned home from work, it failed to even get mentioned on our news outlets apart from a few tiny clips,

 

By the middle of the night the chest pumping by Fox news had turned into it "may" be Sarin, more tests needed,

 

this is not the first time this has happened

Well, then it's time for an update:

Tests Confirm Sarin Gas in Baghdad Bomb

 

1 hour, 44 minutes ago 

 

By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer

 

WASHINGTON - Comprehensive testing has confirmed the presence of the chemical weapon sarin in the remains of a roadside bomb discovered this month in Baghdad, a defense official said Tuesday.

 

The determination, made by a laboratory in the United States that the official would not identify, verifies what earlier, less-thorough field tests had found: the bomb was made from an artillery shell designed to disperse the deadly nerve agent on the battlefield.

 

The origin of the shell remains unclear, and finding that out is a priority for the U.S. military, the defense official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

 

Some analysts worry the 155-millimeter artillery shell, found rigged as a bomb on May 15, may be part of a larger stockpile of Iraqi chemical weapons that insurgents can now use. But no more have turned up, and several military officials have said the shell may have been an older one that predated the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites).

 

It likewise is not known whether the bombers knew they had a chemical weapon. Military officials have said the shell bore no labels to indicate it was anything except a normal explosive shell, the type used to make scores of roadside bombs in Iraq (news - web sites).

 

No one was injured in the shell's initial detonation, but two American soldiers who removed the round had symptoms of low-level nerve agent exposure, officials said last week.

 

The shell was a binary type, which has two chambers containing relatively safe chemicals. When the round is fired from an artillery gun, its rotation mixes the chemicals to create sarin, which is supposed to disperse when the shell strikes its target.

 

Since it was not fired from a gun but was detonated as a bomb, the initial explosion on May 15 dispersed the precursor chemicals, apparently mixing them in only small amounts, officials said then. In battle, such shells would have to be fired in great numbers to effect a large body of troops.

 

Iraq's first field-test of a binary-type shell containing sarin was in 1988, U.S. defense officials have said.

 

Saddam's government only disclosed the testing and production after Iraqi weapons chief Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majid, Saddam's son-in-law, defected in 1995. Saddam's government never declared any sarin or shells filled with sarin remained.

 

Saddam's alleged stockpile of weapons of mass destruction was the Bush administration's chief stated reason for invading Iraq. U.S. weapons hunters have been unable to validate the prewar intelligence.

 

Some trace elements of mustard agent, an older type of chemical weapon, were detected in an artillery shell found in a Baghdad street this month, U.S. officials said previously. The shell also was believed to be from one of Saddam's old stockpiles.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...us_iraq_sarin_2

Now, before anybody comments that it might have come from BEFORE the Gulf War in 1991, remember that that is quite irrelevant. Saddam was supposed to destroy ALL of it.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I think the appropriate statement is "Who was Kevin..."

*Sigh*

 

And I hardly knew thee.

 

Oh, yeah. WMD's -- bad...

[Guest TheAustralian]

Well its still getting no press at all here,

 

Which is kind of weird considering our prime minister really needs news like this, just as G W does.

[Guest MikeSC]

Well its still getting no press at all here,

 

Which is kind of weird considering our prime minister really needs news like this, just as G W does.

It's not getting major press here, either.

-=Mike

...Who has time for this when there are more photos of Abu Gharib to show?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I'm waiting for Big Media to report more bad economic news, myself...

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm waiting for Big Media to report more bad economic news, myself...

I'd kill for "big media" to actually report a story before it happens.

 

"Tomorrow, the stock market will crash. You didn't hear it from me. Now, in sports..."

-=Mike

[Guest INXS]

It is kinda strange that when this story broke the media were in a frenzy to report it as the "WMD". It's died a death since the day it broke.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Never looked at it did you? And do you care to show me said committee hearings?

There was a congressional commitee looking into this. I can't find the source I was looking at now, as I was Googling at the time.

[Guest Cerebus]

Never looked at it did you? And do you care to show me said committee hearings?

There was a congressional commitee looking into this. I can't find the source I was looking at now, as I was Googling at the time.

You're talking about the one headed by McCain?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

At this point, I wish I had bookmarked what I was looking at earlier.

 

But it's very common knowledge that we either gave weapons or money to develop weapons.

 

We're not scott-free of any guilt here.

[Guest Cerebus]

At this point, I wish I had bookmarked what I was looking at earlier.

 

But it's very common knowledge that we either gave weapons or money to develop weapons.

 

We're not scott-free of any guilt here.

I'm not saying we are completely free of guilt at all, its common knowledge the US gave support for Hussien in the 80's, but most of what the US gave was dual use chemicals, a rather small amount of money, and diplomatic support. To say his arsenal had "MADE IN THE USA" stamped all over it is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

[Guest MikeSC]

At this point, I wish I had bookmarked what I was looking at earlier.

 

But it's very common knowledge that we either gave weapons or money to develop weapons.

 

We're not scott-free of any guilt here.

France supplied Hussein with most of his weaponry.

-=Mike

...Chirac and Hussein were quite close, actually

[Guest INXS]

Can you back up that claim that Chirac and Saddam were "quite close" please?

[Styles 0]

Can you back up that claim that Chirac and Saddam were "quite close" please?

KKK, would be a leap of faith to assume at this point in the thread that you miss hunger4unger?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

No.

 

I have always been against Mr. Unger's banning -- not just at this point in this thread. INXS is just some Single-A Field, Hunger was PNC Park (good looking surface/boobie avatar with NO talent/substance within...)

[Guest MikeSC]

Can you back up that claim that Chirac and Saddam were "quite close" please?

http://www.porphyrogenitus.net/archives/week_2003_02_16.html

http://www.lexnotes.com/misc/jacques_iraq.htm

http://www.factbook.net/chirac.php

http://www.usainreview.com/2_11_Chirac_Connection.htm

http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/17341/view?viewtype

 

Want more?

-=Mike

...who didn't suppoer h4u's banning, either