Preview of whats to come in 'Farenheit 911'

[Guest MikeSC]

MikeSC: Screaming about how much he disagrees with stuff until his face turns red while no one's mind changes.

You call this screaming?

Excellent! Presumably your posts will be shorter and easier to ignore now!

 

I was, of course, referencing the whole Atkins-heart-problem-lawsuit stuff, in case anyone didn't get my "joke".

Yes, use quotes. No need to bastardize the concept of comedy with that attempt.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Yeah extremist from all side's are bad.

It's just I've dealt with the left wing radical the most.......and it drives me nuts!

I agree with you here.

Generally the radical right wingers are obnoxious more than anything and they don't seem to be as openly stupid as the left. They seem to be able to back up there arguments better than the radical left also. (I mean generally, of course there will be a few complete idiot rights. But here in Australia, not so much)

 

The radical left wingers however just annoy the flying fuck out of you. Instead of being obnoxious they're more ignorant, which I find worse, and almost all of them are hypocritical in some way.

 

In Tasmania, where I live, it's pretty much all forest and so hippies abound and roam the streets freely.... here are some of the things I've heard them say to me:

 

"I think it's disgusting that they have a nuclear medicine section at the hospital, did you know they make bombs out of the left over radiation?"

 

"Incineration is bad, they're burning things and creating toxins which go into the air and cause bad stuff like cancer, and I don't wanna have little kids walking around getting cancer" **the guy then proceeded to blow smoke in my face**

 

and you can't have a fucking logical conversation with any of them about any issues because they so whole heartedly believe they're right.

 

I tried to have a conversation to my friend who worked for Greenpeace about genetic engineering (he'd just got arrested during a protest against it) and he knew absolutely nothing about it. I mean, I'm not an expert but I was pretty much talking it through with myself.

 

Me: Why aren't you for geneticly engineered food?

 

Him: because it's not natural to mess with stuffs DNA.

 

Me: but they're making it better so crops fail less and food is generally more nutritious.

 

Him: Yeah, but they're changing it's DNA, it might contaminate natural crops

 

Me: what.....and make them more nutritious and healthy?

 

Him: No, it will contaminate them because they've been genetically modified.

 

Me: well, then it's better? anyway, GE crops, being more sustainable and cheaper and easier to grow can help out 3rd world countries.

 

Him:....

 

Me:.... but generally the stuff we sell them isn't sustainable and so they have to keep buying it from us which really isn't fair for us to do that.

 

Him: Yeah it should be banned because we're making money off them!

 

Me:....., no, we should change so we sell the proper sustainable stuff, not ban it.

 

Him: no, it shouldn't be used at all because they're selling them shit.

 

..... it went on like that for a while. Generally the extremists are just told what to do and aren't intelligent to back up their own arguments.

 

.....wow, I'm ranting,

 

I must have some deep resentment for stupid people.

 

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...

 

oh yeah, the topic.

 

People shouldn't judge it for it's truthful or untruthful content untill they see it because they have no idea just how believiable the information is.

"Bullshit" goes OFF on people like you mentioned here. UNLOADS on them.

-=Mike

[Betty Houle 0]

BY ROGER EBERT

 

Q: Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" is designed to promote his personal political agenda. On CNN, he said he hoped the movie would get out the anti-Bush vote. Did Moore give even lip service to views opposite his own?

 

You reported on the reception his film received in Cannes. Given the location, France, and the crowd, journalists, Hollywood movie types and Frenchmen mostly, what did you expect? By praising an obviously politically motivated film, are you simply being a pawn of Moore's own political agenda?

 

Mark Pachankis,

Shreveport, La.

 

 

A: Well of course it's a politically motivated film. That's allowed. President Bush's speeches are politically motivated, and he doesn't give lip service to views opposite his own. That's allowed, too.

 

I must decide if a movie is good or bad, despite whether I agree or disagree with its politics. I oppose the death penalty, but gave "The Life of David Gale" zero stars. "Birth of a Nation" is in my next book, The Great Movies II, even though it reeks of racism. Many film historians rank Leni Riefenstahl's "The Triumph of the Will" as a cinematic milestone, although it glorifies the Third Reich.

[Justice 0]

First off, even when I was one of the more liberal people on the CE Board (Tyler and maybe Marney might remember me being a bit different when I first came here), I STILL didn't like BFC. It was crap because it was inconsistant. It never stays long enough with a subject to give you anything more than an over-generalization of whatever was going on. We go from T.V. violence to Racial violence to gun statistics to ICBMs to "Corporate COPS" and other stuff that, while looking cool, didn't give you much of a picture. It was just overflashy and lacking any substance. I watched this with my bro and it took over a half-hour of what seemed like meaningless stuff to get to anything really related to Columbine. Even its documentary status is incredibly questionable, especially with the pseudo-South Park representation of the relationship with the NRA and the KKK (Which, hey, turns out to be grossly inaccurate! Imagine that!). I argued with my roommate (A Flint boy and a true fan-boy) and the only way he could defend it is

 

"It's comedy! It's not supposed to be serious! He's just having fun!"

 

to which my reply was

 

"... Except that he's claiming this is a documentary and rattling off grossly misleading facts. What about that?"

 

"It's not a documentary..."

 

"Then why did it win the Oscar for 'Best Documentary'?"

 

"..."

 

Yeah. Anyways, probably the most accurate dissent against BFC is here. I still can't believe how he pretty much completely lied about the Flint Shooting and the NRA's "quick" reaction.

 

And by the by, I did like Roger and Me. But he's just gone off the deep end since then...

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What I do like about BFC is that my local independant cinema has actually started showing documentaries as a result of its popularity. Woohoo! So I now get to see Spellbound, To Be and To Have, The Fog of War and all that good stuff.

 

Unfortunately, it also inspires some stuff like Super Size Me which rips Moore's style COMPLETELY and is very gimmicky. It is also a film about a rather obvious topic: McDonalds is bad for you. No shit! And now this Morgan Spurlock dude is making a shitload of money out of it.

 

I need to get some cash together and make films that pander heavily to some populist ideas while bashing America in the process. I'm thinking OIL COMPANIES ARE EEEVIL, TOBACCO COMPANIES BAD and maybe COCA COLA IS BAD FOR YOUR TEETH!

[Justice 0]

I need to get some cash together and make films that pander heavily to some populist ideas while bashing America in the process.  I'm thinking OIL COMPANIES ARE EEEVIL, TOBACCO COMPANIES BAD and maybe COCA COLA IS BAD FOR YOUR TEETH!

Check this out...

 

And frankly, Moore's entire style is gimmicky and old now. It worked for Roger and Me because it was new, but it got irritating in BFC, and he just comes off as the dick he is.

 

But hey, on the documentaries... maybe something good did come out of BFC for you. I truly envy you.

[Betty Houle 0]

To those people who want to see F9/11:

 

Release date - 6/25/04