Will RVD ever be the wwe champion?

[Guest MikeSC]

Why would they have to sacrifice talent to make RVD a heel?

They'd have to sacrifice them to get his BUTT over as a heel. Screw that. Until he shows an inch of desire to actually put on a good show, I say job him to anybody you can find. Heck, put Chavo Classic over him. Let London pin him.

 

Job him until he decides to work --- or cut him and let him ruin a different promotion with his crap matches and non-existant work rate.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

WWE's the same way.  Just set him against Austin and the Rock.  Make him give Eugene a spin kick and team him up with Christian.  Then he'll be a heel.

Why should they sacrifice over talent for RVD?

 

And how sad is it that Eugene is more over than Rob?

-=Mike

Well, that's like asking how sad it is that Eugene is more over than Chris Benoit.

 

Because.....well......he is. Just no one is quite able to explain how.

Nobody has this mythical belief that Chris Benoit is a massive draw. The desire to see him win gold is because he is just a damned good worker.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND, RVD marks believe that Rob IS a great draw --- but he's only #4 in terms of face heat on the rather horrid Smackdown.

-=Mike

[KTID 0]

Mike, no offence my boy, but your blind RVD hatred means that you are unable to discuss this rationally and should probably give up.

 

Also, I hope you noted that I have yet to post in this thread because I realise that I (much like you) will never be impartial when discussing RVD, and so my opinion will never be taken seriously.

[chaosrage 0]

Nobody has this mythical belief that Chris Benoit is a massive draw. The desire to see him win gold is because he is just a damned good worker.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND, RVD marks believe that Rob IS a great draw --- but he's only #4 in terms of face heat on the rather horrid Smackdown.

               -=Mike

And that probably has nothing at all to do with the fact that they haven't done anything with him in over 2 years...

 

It's been said 1000 times, but why would he have any desire?

[NoCalMike 0]

WWE puts the belt on whoever they want, no matter who's more deserving toes gets stepped on. Remember Brock Lesnar? He got everything within such a short time. He was put over RVD at KOTR when RVD was still in the cycle of his really popular phase.

 

If Vince wanted him as champion, it would happen. Workrate is the last thing anyone in the Wwe office cares about, so everyone can stop pretending that it is RVD's workrate that is holding him back.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I'm glad we got someone else who actually knows workrate and athleticism doesn't mean jack shit when it comes to Sports Entertainment.

 

I think this thread should be closed because, realisticly, everything that could be said has been done so, and in some cases, several times, so we'd just be repeating ourselves.

[Guest MikeSC]

Nobody has this mythical belief that Chris Benoit is a massive draw. The desire to see him win gold is because he is just a damned good worker.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND, RVD marks believe that Rob IS a great draw --- but he's only #4 in terms of face heat on the rather horrid Smackdown.

               -=Mike

And that probably has nothing at all to do with the fact that they haven't done anything with him in over 2 years...

 

It's been said 1000 times, but why would he have any desire?

Benoit never dogged it when he wasn't being used properly.

 

When Angle was being depushed, he didn't dog it.

 

Eddy Guerrero never dogged it.

 

Why should RVD be given any benefits when he, by all accounts, dogs it in the ring?

 

If a man will not give his best when he's not being pushed, he does not deserve to be pushed at all.

WWE puts the belt on whoever they want, no matter who's more deserving toes gets stepped on. Remember Brock Lesnar? He got everything within such a short time. He was put over RVD at KOTR when RVD was still in the cycle of his really popular phase.

 

If Vince wanted him as champion, it would happen. Workrate is the last thing anyone in the Wwe office cares about, so everyone can stop pretending that it is RVD's workrate that is holding him back.

And RVD's pops at that point weren't that hot. Hate to break it to you. I can say that RVD is less deserving than a LIST of WWE guys to be pushed to the top of the card.

-=Mike

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

WWE puts the belt on whoever they want, no matter who's more deserving toes gets stepped on. Remember Brock Lesnar? He got everything within such a short time. He was put over RVD at KOTR when RVD was still in the cycle of his really popular phase.

 

Everybody with half a brain (or a fifth in the case of the booking team) knew that Brock would be a huge star some day. They gave it to him too soon yes, but he was like Angle. You knew he would be a big star the moment he showed up. They gave it to him on the belief that it would give him credibility, which it ended up doing. That type of prospect comes along very rarely. RVD is not of that calibre. The closest is probably Cena. Maybe Orton.

[chaosrage 0]

Why should RVD be given any benefits when he, by all accounts, dogs it in the ring?

Because if he was pushed, he wouldn't dog it.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Why should RVD be given any benefits when he, by all accounts, dogs it in the ring?

Because if he was pushed, he wouldn't dog it.

You just answered that he's unprofessional. Thank you for proving everyone's case.

[Guest MikeSC]

Why should RVD be given any benefits when he, by all accounts, dogs it in the ring?

Because if he was pushed, he wouldn't dog it.

And THAT is a reason to push somebody?

 

REWARD them for dogging it?

 

That is some, well, bizarre motivational techniques ya got there.

-=Mike

...who wonders if he can get somebody to give me money so I won't feel the need to suddenly commit crimes...

[NoCalMike 0]

 

If Vince wanted him as champion, it would happen. Workrate is the last thing anyone in the Wwe office cares about, so everyone can stop pretending that it is RVD's workrate that is holding him back.

And RVD's pops at that point weren't that hot. Hate to break it to you. I can say that RVD is less deserving than a LIST of WWE guys to be pushed to the top of the card.

-=Mike

Umm, yes his pops were still hot. RVD was hot even when he was being depushed. It took a lot of jobs and continual misuse, before people finally stopped caring. Plus WWE still semi-protected him in the KOTR match having RVD seem like he had the match won, until Heyman interfered.

 

As far as "dogging it in the ring" that is pure smart mark speculation BS. No one can say for sure either way, and RVD sure as hell wouldn't be the first if that is so anyway. I don't remember RVD "dogging" it against Orton when Orton got a concussion andwas basically out on his feet for 90% of the match and was then later compelled to go online and write HOW PROFESSIONAL RVD was in guiding him through the rest of the match. That was also arguably Orton's most entertaining match up to that point btw.(not that it was saying much in that point in his career, but still).

[chaosrage 0]

You just answered that he's unprofessional. Thank you for proving everyone's case.

Yeah, so what, Austin wasn't professional either. If you want to punish him for not feeling it in matches, then fire him. What's the point of keeping him around? He won't kill himself if he's not being used, and they won't use him if they think he's not motivated. So either use him or fire him.

 

And THAT is a reason to push somebody?

 

REWARD them for dogging it?

 

No, the reason to push him is because he would put on a great show and he would be able to get himself over if he was being pushed. He proved that already. They gave him one chance to get over and he did. It's not like he even needs a world title reign. All you have to do is look at ECW to see he doesn't care a whole lot about that. Just give him a decent IC or US run and more time in matches. Just fucking do something with him and give him a reason to care.

[NoCalMike 0]

Good point on Austin Chaos. Since when has Vince and/or the writers cared about not being professional? Or at least on a consistent basis. So we can forget about workrate and not being professional as excuses.

 

The only point that people can really make is that his mic skills need a lot of work. And I would agree, at least as far as delivering to a WWE crowd yes.

[Michrome 0]

I think it goes even further beyond that. I remember when WWE was going to bring up a guy from dev and have him do a RVD-ripoff gimmick, do all the same moves, similar mannerisms, etc just to prove they could do it without having him in. I don't think Vince ever had or has intentions to make RVD a main eventer, but they like his merch sales, so he gets to stay around.

[Guest MikeSC]

Good point on Austin Chaos. Since when has Vince and/or the writers cared about not being professional? Or at least on a consistent basis. So we can forget about workrate and not being professional as excuses.

 

The only point that people can really make is that his mic skills need a lot of work. And I would agree, at least as far as delivering to a WWE crowd yes.

NCM, one little thing --- using examples of bad choices doesn't make your desire a good choice.

 

Austin owned RVD in almost every category known to man. Even when dogging it --- Austin outworks RVD. Austin DID draw huge crowds. RVD never has.

 

So, you have not explained why RVD DESERVES anything. Heck, I can use the Mabel example and say that EVERYBODY deserves a ME push.

-=Mike

[Guest Trivia247]

why does RVD deserve a world title shot.... Durrrr because he is my favoright wrestler duhhh thats why....

 

R V D! R V D! R V D!

 

Now...back to reality.

 

RVD maybe nearly always over, but hell he is putting out less and less effort as the years go by in the WWE.

 

and like I said originally on this thread, there must be a jinx on him since he never won the ECW title... whereas people like Dreamer, Justin Credible, Rhyno and such have.

 

RVD hasn't really stepped up to the plate to be anything but a stellar midcarder to wow the crowd. His Title attempts during the Invasion angle was pretty much filler attractions so the Angle vs Austin take what 2 or three during that time period. wasn't like a repeat of Summerslam of that year. And his Title attempt vs HHH... That was just HHH going through the Motions of Beating any Half way over Face that wasn't doing Dark or Heat matches in order to discredit them and make them do Dark/Heat matches afterwards.

 

If RVD gets motivated truly motivated give imput about any matches he is booked, be positive about those matches and really get listened to as to how matches go down for him (at least his end of the match) Spot spot spot spot Face in Peril...Spot Spot Spot... Then maybe someone will think him ready for the big times.

 

Right now I wouldn't mind seeing RVD get out of this Mutant Tag team bullshit and Maybe take on John Cena for the US title.

[NoCalMike 0]

Good point on Austin Chaos.  Since when has Vince and/or the writers cared about not being professional?  Or at least on a consistent basis.  So we can forget about workrate and not being professional as excuses.

 

The only point that people can really make is that his mic skills need a lot of work.  And I would agree, at least as far as delivering to a WWE crowd yes.

NCM, one little thing --- using examples of bad choices doesn't make your desire a good choice.

 

Austin owned RVD in almost every category known to man. Even when dogging it --- Austin outworks RVD. Austin DID draw huge crowds. RVD never has.

 

So, you have not explained why RVD DESERVES anything. Heck, I can use the Mabel example and say that EVERYBODY deserves a ME push.

-=Mike

I never said RVD deserves it, but the title of this thread isn't "Does RVD deserve it" I am just simply listing reasons why he hasn't got there yet, deserving or not is besides the point, since WWE has had many title holders that are both deserving & undeserving in my eyes. As far as drawing goes, RVD seemed to draw ECW's biggest crowds in their history, and while the number doesn't compare to a WWE crowd, it was still good for a promotion that was barely noticed by the mainstream wrestling crowd.