Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

[Tawren 0]

Tawren, your credibility has reached further negative depths after your little admittingly biased "review". Stick to bashing Monday Night Raw.

Riiight. I didn't like the movie. GASP~! I explained why. GASP~! Oh my god, I should be shot on the spot.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

He means your out-right bias against Harry Potter in general makes you too bias against it.

 

and thank God the movie just came out. I pretty much forgot most of the stuff in the book, because I can't get it straight about the Time-Turning thing.

 

But I'll just say this: Logic in Movies doesn't always have to make sense. If movies were allowed to run 5 hours, I think the entire book could be accurately done, but a las, that isn't possible, so they have to breaf things that need more explanation.

[Tawren 0]

But I'll just say this: Logic in Movies doesn't always have to make sense. If movies were allowed to run 5 hours, I think the entire book could be accurately done, but a las, that isn't possible, so they have to breaf things that need more explanation.

Agreed, but even a simple line like "we can only go back once" or "we only can go back so-and-so hours" would have really helped.

 

I will say that I loved the special effects. They were very well done.

[Guest El Satanico]

Anyone that has seen a movie or TV show featuring time travel, should already know the rules of time travel.

 

Did everything said by Doc Brown fall on deaf ears?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Yeah, well he lost all credibility when present day Him/Marty/Jennifer went to the future to see their futures selves, although they wouldn't exist in the future if they did that.

 

Great, my headache is coming back.

[chaosrage 0]

Why wouldn't they exist in the future?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Why wouldn't they exist in the future?

Because their present forms don't exist anymore. If you traveled 30 years into the future, how do you do anything in those years if you aren't around for it?

[chaosrage 0]

Well the only way they wouldn't exist would be if something prevented them from going back. But they did go back. So that's why they would still be there 30 years later.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Well the only way they wouldn't exist would be if something prevented them from going back. But they did go back. So that's why they would still be there 30 years later.

But the future isn't written in stone...and by what you said it is.

 

 

Time to get some medicine...This is why I hate discussing BTTF time travel.

[chaosrage 0]

it wouldn't really be set in stone because if they couldn't make it back, then the future would have changed and they wouldn't exist in it. It's already written out but they can change it..

 

How's about this one though? Since they did change the future and his son doesn't go to jail, why would they still have to go to the future in the first place if he NEVER went to jail? And if they didn't go, would the future still be the same? Or would it change back?

 

Same thing with Potter. Sirious got away, so why would Dumbledor tell them he was going to be executed, and if he didn't, why would they go back in time.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Of course Marty and Jennifer's 2015 selves would still exist if their 1985 selves travelled to 2015, because they're not dead, and it's obvious that the 2015 selves actually did what the 1985 Marty and Jennifer did - travelled from '85 to 2015 to see their 2015 selves.

 

How's about this one though? Since they did change the future and his son doesn't go to jail, why would they still have to go to the future in the first place if he NEVER went to jail? And if they didn't go, would the future still be the same? Or would it change back?

 

Actually, that's one of many BTTF plotholes of that ilk, and may dispute what I said above. But I guess it's just that they've never done that before, because there has to be a first for everything.

 

But yeah, even that may be wrong - and we're so getting off-topic here. Someone should start a BTTF time travel/discussion thread to keep us all occupied.

[Guest croweater]

it wouldn't really be set in stone because if they couldn't make it back, then the future would have changed and they wouldn't exist in it. It's already written out but they can change it..

 

How's about this one though? Since they did change the future and his son doesn't go to jail, why would they still have to go to the future in the first place if he NEVER went to jail? And if they didn't go, would the future still be the same? Or would it change back?

 

Same thing with Potter. Sirious got away, so why would Dumbledor tell them he was going to be executed, and if he didn't, why would they go back in time.

Dumbledoor didn't know that Sirius got away. That was the point, while he told them what to do it was all based on what he thought would happen, he saw nothing that would tell him that a. Sirius had gotten away, or b. Hermonie and Harry had gone back in time. When he told them what to do he had seen nothing that would imply time travel.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

But I'll just say this: Logic in Movies doesn't always have to make sense. If movies were allowed to run 5 hours, I think the entire book could be accurately done, but a las, that isn't possible, so they have to breaf things that need more explanation.

Agreed, but even a simple line like "we can only go back once" or "we only can go back so-and-so hours" would have really helped.

 

I will say that I loved the special effects. They were very well done.

Nobody knew where the Potters were except for their secret keeper (Pettigrew). He betrayed them and led Voldemort to them. Not even Dumbledore knew about it, and even if they had known where to look, they couldn't have found it without Pettigrew. They were protected by magic. It takes them a day or so to even find Harry.

 

Dumbledoor didn't know that Sirius got away. That was the point, while he told them what to do it was all based on what he thought would happen, he saw nothing that would tell him that a. Sirius had gotten away, or b. Hermonie and Harry had gone back in time. When he told them what to do he had seen nothing that would imply time travel.

 

In the book he knows. That's just the way Dumbledore acts.

[Guest croweater]

I know he KNOWS.... but he doesn't know......... you know?

 

My point was that at no stage did he see them go back in time, even when they were in Hagrids yard and he saw them it still could have been easily assumed that it was the present time them. So while he's intuitive enough to know what's going on, the time thing isn't stuffed up because he hasn't actually seen anything dodgy.

 

And good point about the secret keeper. I'd forgotten all about it until you mentioned it then (as it wasn't mentioned in the movie and it is really the #1 reason that Sirius was arrested, because everyone thought that he was the secret keeper.).

 

Yeah, my last post wasn't that clear. I blame iton Pre exam stress.

[EricMM 0]

This whole thread just proves that anyone who likes the HP movies should really read the books...

[Guest T®ITEC]

I am very tempted to start reading the books now, as I had a fantastic time last night. Even though I went into this movie knowing nothing about the series, I was able to keep up and enjoyed everything throughly. Maybe my unfounded bias was wrong after all...

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

PoA made over $40 million on Friday according to boxofficemojo. If this keeps up it will be the highest grossing movie of the year. Spider-Man, the only remaining film this year that can beat it domestically, doesn't have the worldwide appeal that Harry Potter does. It had to make up the difference in the US, and it looks like that may be out of reach.

 

It is too early to crown it as champion at this point, but I would start making parade preparations.

[bob_barron 0]

I never saw Chamber of Secrets (I did see the first one). This movie was tremendous. I was scared for much of the movie and it was one big adrenaline rush.

 

Just an excellent movie from start to finish- probably the best movie I've seen all year.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Great. Got a little muddled in the third act, but it fixed itself up by the end. Too bad to see a lot of the Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs backstory get axed, but a zippy little picture nonetheless. Definitely the most artful of the three thus far.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Great. Got a little muddled in the third act, but it fixed itself up by the end. Too bad to see a lot of the Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs backstory get axed, but a zippy little picture nonetheless. Definitely the most artful of the three thus far.

It plays a big part in Order of the Phoenix, so I guess they just didn't want to get redundant.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

True. Though after seeing what they needed to cut from this one, I become increasingly skeptical that anyone will be able to manage Order of the Phoenix into one movie. Goblet of Fire is doable, I think, since so much of the focus is on the actual competition. But Order is hiyuge. Squeezing what, at least at this juncture, seems like the necessary material into under 3 hours would probably lend it a frenetic pace that isn't really true to the book.

[CanadianChris 0]

Wonderful movie, very true to the book without being a carbon copy. I kind of liked how they shuffled around who was where when, why and how in the sequence at the Shrieking Shack. It was nice having to follow the movie and not blindly follow the book from memory (which I could do for parts, since it's my favourite of the five and I've read it a couple dozen times).

 

I'm kind of wondering about Goblet of Fire myself, since the beginning section (at the World Cup of Quidditch) is pretty crucial to set up the rest of the novel, plus, of course, the ending where Voldemort is reborn was quite long. It's going to be hard to cram everything they'll need into three hours or less.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Just got back from it. I loved it. Best of the series so far.

 

As far as:

 

Not using the time trinket to save his parents. In order to use it you had to go do your thing and then return to the point you left at the time you left. Therefore, he would have had to go back 12 years, stop the murder, and then wait another 12 years to come back and finish the spell. Assuming he still ages, that would mean he would come back around 25 years old. That's why they didn't use it for that. And probably it didn't go back that far.

[EricMM 0]

I do believe we may finally see a movie with Intermissions a la Ben Hur or Spartacus (one of them) again, since tOotP is HUUUGE. Counting all the business that happens outside of school, I dunno.

 

Oh well, I'm all for longer books, makes for a better read.

 

But I can't wait until the other two are released. I wonder what Rowling will follow up with?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Just got back from it. I loved it. Best of the series so far.

 

As far as:

 

Not using the time trinket to save his parents. In order to use it you had to go do your thing and then return to the point you left at the time you left. Therefore, he would have had to go back 12 years, stop the murder, and then wait another 12 years to come back and finish the spell. Assuming he still ages, that would mean he would come back around 25 years old. That's why they didn't use it for that. And probably it didn't go back that far.

That is good explanation, but they couldn't have stopped them even if they wanted to because of the magic protecting them.

 

It is possible that they did use it in Order of the Phoenix to save Dumbledore's Army from the Death Eaters and just never mentioned it.

[NoCalMike 0]

It was good. I thought it was better then part 2, but I still like the first one the best. Although I do like the way the series is sort of getting a darker edge to it, and the children are starting to rebel a bit more.

[Above Average 0]

I really liked it. Very different stylistically from the first two films, but a Potter fan at work proclaimed this is where the book series got darker and thusly, better. It seemed to move quickly through the Shrieking shack section, but I understood everything, and if I want to get all the dramah~ I'll have to read the books, which I haven't as of yet.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Great film and a damn good adaptation to boot.

 

Of course, it had it's problems.

 

- The Pettigrew/Lupin/Black storyline got assfucked to hell and I really don't know why. The backhistory connects it (Pettigrew going back to his master) to the Goblet of Fire storyline and the Black/Harry relationship pretty damn crucial to Order of The Pheonix.

- Dumbeldore simply wasn't as good as Harris and they knew it due to the amount of screen time he was given. They really need to show more confidence in him for the next picture or it could really hurt the film.

- Less Snape. Not good.

 

THE GOOD SHIT

 

 

- I really dug Curon's interpretation of the Werewolf, as the way it walked lent itself a more human then animal personality. The face was slightly doglike instead of wolflike.

- BUCKBEAK. They nailed him. 100%. That's Buckbeak, no ifs ands or buts.

- The portraits getting some more love in this film then the previous.

- The Dementors were given a distinct personality from The Nine in LOTR which I was glad for. The "kiss" looked sweet.

 

[Slayer 0]

Finally saw it today. Good movie, though I was able to pick out some of the holes in spite of having never read the books (but have seen the first two movies). My g/f had to explain some of these things in greater detail as she has read them.

 

Small concern about this thread, even though the discussion has died down. Glimpsing over some posts I saw spoiler tags and highlight them expecting them to be about the movie but instead got spoilers to GOF and OOTP... should've distinguished those spoilers

[thuganomics 0]

Some of the backstory that was very obviously left on the cutting room floor will seriously screw them over when it gets to Order of Phoenix. Unfortunately, many important factors of this book that come to play in the next two books were chopped from this movie. It strikes me that Cuaron (spelling?) was too proud of his special effects and his own cleverness in cut scenes (i.e. the cleaning lady, the endless whomping willow sections) that he'd rather use them than actually fill in the story.

 

The last hour or so were excellent but the rest of the movie falls flat. And why the hell they're wearing street clothes on the evening of a school day is beyond me.

 

I'll bet we'll see a Lord of the Rings style extended addition on DVD just before Christmas. I for one am happy to hear we'll probably get a new director for the next film.