DMann2003 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 In Dayton we used to get WWE PPV's at BW3's until Wrestlemania XX. Hooters is just too expensive for me, and we drove by there an hour before WM XX and it was standing room only. See, Pulsations used to show PPV's and just charge 5 bucks for under 21, then they quit after Armegeddon 2000, so it's been Hooters ever since. Real nice having a Hooters less then a mile from my apartment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro7x 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 Does anybody know how much bars are required to pay? I know on the bottom of K1 advertisements there is a different number to call if you are a commercial business. Oh it's pretty high up there. I do not know the exact price, I could probably figure it out, but for a wrestling PPV it's probably a couple hundred dollars. My brother is a retailer for Dish Network, and sells commercial accounts and things like that to bars. One time a bar wanted us to install Dish for a boxing match, and when they found out that the PPV price for a commercial account was WAY more than the residential price, then they wanted us to take it out. If I had to put a price range on it... $300-$400 for a $50 boxing match? That sounds about right. I could ask my brother tomorrow and post his response here. There are ways to get around it though. It's against the business rules of a retailer, but having a residential account at a business would cut down PPV costs. And if they don't do that, a bar could just bring in a Dish/DirecTV receiver from home, disconnect their commercial receiver and plug their residental receiver in, and then order it with the residential receiver and have the company reimburse themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 Maybe this is a clever ploy to get more people to buy the DVD the next month? Or a clever ploy to go out of business? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karc 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 Here's my thing. I have a TV card and can encode the PPV in Divx, which looks five times better than the webcast, which in itself means squat if you don't have a steady broadband connection for the PPV time. As far as I am concerned, paying for the webcast now is a blatant ripoff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
griffinmills 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 Caution, rambling extra-geeky post. It vaguely reminds me of when they moved IYH PPVs up to full price... I was all ready to stop ordering them but then they made the IYH PPVs longer so it was worth it. In this case they are trying to say that having a 500k stream is suppose to "make it worth it?" Maybe so, if that is one damn fine encoded stream. Let me see... Looking at the stuff at the Digital Archive Project (dapcentral.org) that is encoded in Divx or Mpeg4v2. Those are 650+ meg files for about 95 minutes of video. The WWE stuff is closer to 180 minutes and is high action and detail sports content, any Tivo/DirecTivo owner will tell you that you need way higher bit rate for such things. They would basically have to stream out 4gigs of data to achieve a really nice looking encoding, maybe whittle it down to 2gigs with a lot of luck. A quick google search has the prices of additional bandwidth being about $5 a gig, as low as $3 and as high as $20. WWE.com's DNS seems to indicate they are hosted on a SBC deal but I can't find any details on what SBC charges for additional bandwidth, could be around the $5 price. That means straight off it would cost them $10 to $20 bucks to host the file per person if they offered it at the increased resolution. If they could achieve a really nice looking 2gb encode then I could see this new price being fair. As it is I have my doubts. Now if they let you download and keep the episode for the new price it would be quite a deal, but they would basically be giving it away to all the online bootleggers and Bit Torrenters so that isn't going to happen. Although that does spark an idea. Currently there are Bit Torrent sites out there that you have to be a member to download the torrent. These usually log your IP address and require you to have a valid email account. If WWE could implement this, allowing only one download per name/Ip or whatever it takes to be secure and it would very much so offload their server punishment. So much so that they could offer quite large and quality encodes. Heck they could offer discounts for having a good seed ratio but you would still run into the problem where, now that someone has the file, they could make their own torrent and give it away for free... I guess they would need some DRM stuff to really make it work but it seems a heck of a lot more do-able then just charging full PPV price for a blocky webcast with bad sound! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro7x 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 If I had to put a price range on it... $300-$400 for a $50 boxing match? That sounds about right. I could ask my brother tomorrow and post his response here. Okay, I was WAY off. I asked my brother today, and the price for commercial PPV events depends on the maximum occupancy of the business. So a PPV sporting event can easily be anywhere around $2,000 for a bar. Yes, I am serious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 I overheard a bar owner say that it was costing him $1000 one night when the feed went out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted June 10, 2004 Until I get the money and a satellite tv system set up, I'll continue getting the shows for free the next day...No skin off my ass. ....exactly. And anyway, the ppv's at the moment aren't even worth the money, so paying waaaaay extra for a subpar ppv isn't going to entice me to purchase one, ever again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted June 11, 2004 If I had to put a price range on it... $300-$400 for a $50 boxing match? That sounds about right. I could ask my brother tomorrow and post his response here. Okay, I was WAY off. I asked my brother today, and the price for commercial PPV events depends on the maximum occupancy of the business. So a PPV sporting event can easily be anywhere around $2,000 for a bar. Yes, I am serious. Wow. No Wonder so many of them stop airing it... I figure the local bars here draw about 250 people for each ppv (WMXX was well over 500)...so you gotta figure with most people spending 10-25 bucks a head...they made a good profit or at least came close to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
griffinmills 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2004 Okay, I was WAY off. I asked my brother today, and the price for commercial PPV events depends on the maximum occupancy of the business. So a PPV sporting event can easily be anywhere around $2,000 for a bar. Yes, I am serious. What kind of Max Occupancy are we talking here? I'm not disagreeing or arguing the point but without a number... It is a big difference between say a giant "Hooters" restraunt/bar and the corner "Moes Tavern" kind of place. Not to mention that Max Occupancy things usually seem a bit crazy when you read them, at least to me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro7x 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2004 Well that would be $2000 for a $50 Boxing PPV. I would expect it to be the same for Wrestlemania... less for a regular $35 PPV. That's 70% of $50. 70% of $2,000 would be $1,400 which seems more reasonable for a regular PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest drdrainoscott Report post Posted June 12, 2004 Maybe I am misreading things, but on wwe.com, it sure sounds like when you buy the PPV you get a free DVD (Michaels From the Vault or Bloodbath). If that is the case, then the webcast doesn't sound like that bad of a deal (although only if you need one of those DVDs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2004 Ha ha! While that would be fantastic, you don't get the actual DVDs. It's just where you can watch them, or parts of the DVDs, on the internet just as you would the PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ISportsFan 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2004 I think it's just so that you can watch those two things on the website, like you would the PPV. Yep, that's what it is. I'm thinking those last for one week too. Also, the picture for one of the freebies is of Bloodbath (the steel cage DVD), but the description and title are for last year's Bad Blood (a pathetic card with Nash in the main event). Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2004 What a new shitty program. I'm not one for usually expressing my pure hatred for things that WWE present (I hate plenty of things, I just don't see a reason in crying about shit all of the time), I do send them a very profound FUCK YOU to them for this new webcast setup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted June 12, 2004 In Australia, we at least get the opportunity to pay $21.90 if you order a PPV 2 or 3 days beforehand, otherwise it's $34.95. Yeah. It's 3 days. I learnt that today when I ordered Bad Blood. That kind of a fee for a webcast is bogus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
