Hell in Cell is done...What is the next "big" one?

[Guest Choken One]

The Hell in a Cell made it's annual apperence supporting that shitfest we saw on Sunday.

 

If you ask me...The WWE has 5 "Trump" Gimmick Matches

 

HIAC

TLC

Iron Man

Three Stages of Hell

Elimination Chamber

 

They have not used a TLC since October 2002 (aka the "raw match of decade") and Iron Man hasn't been used since that shitfest Angle/Lesnar put out last Fall and Three Stages haven't been touched since Shawn and Trips pissed on the concept and we saw the Chamber last SummerSlam.

 

 

So will WWE use one of those other four soon and if you think so, which should it be and whom should be involved.

 

TLC? The least likely. They don't seem to emphasize bumps any more and those famous bump takers are done with that scene and are ending the careers 5 years short because of it. I can't see this concept being used for a long long time. Ladder Match? Sure, it is more contained and isn't as dangerous and we usually get 2-5 a year (although 2004 has been ladder free save for shawn's spot in the hiac match).

 

IronMan? If it does come back, it won't be on TV. Brock/Angle didn't draw well since mainly it was taped first and people knew "why watch when the last 10 minutes is all that matters"...It could get another apperence on PPV simply for the fact they seem to be using longer matches lately. Which Workers? I can't see anyone on Smackdown realistically being given one hour...Eddy would be the only one, naturally but Knoble, London aren't getting that shot and Angle's incapable of going a hour now. Raw? I could see Triple H/Benoit getting it, Trips certaintly does like long matches(even done a Ironman himself) and we know Benoit has no stamia problems whatsoever. However, No one else on the roster can do a CM PUNK and go for a hour aside from Benoit and Trips realistically.

 

Three Stages of Hell? Has to be the most likely, Any "big" feud could basically use this gimmick as a blow off.

 

Elimination Chamber? Like the HIAC, it seems to be a Annual once a year concept and I think it should be a Halloween Havoc used gimmick and we know Raw has a crowded Main event scene right now, Benoit, Kane, Shawn, Trips, Jericho and Edge makes for a good EC right there. Smackdown? Not a chance.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

WWE needs something new. If they book the Elimination Chamber RIGHT, it can be awesome.

 

HIAC has been done to death.

TLC I don't see happening anytime soon considering the safety rules.

Chamber will probably happen this fall as usual, since the fucking thing cost $500,000 I heard.

Iron Man needs 2 workers who cna go the distance without sucking. Angle/Brock failed, Rock/HHH suceeded. Bret/HBK was iffy. It's a hit or miss match.

3 Stages of Hell is just a gimmicked 2/3 Falls Match. Nothing Special. HHH has won the only 2 of its kind, so it's basically his match.

 

The only type I see happening soon is the E.C., but not for a few months at least.

[Guest Choken One]

I really don't get why they spent half a Mill on that thing when they owned the Triple Cage Design which is equally intimidating and obviously cheaper.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

My only guess is because it's a hazzardous structure and most people wouldn't feel safe inside of it.

 

I'm still a little irked no one is willing to use the War Games concept just because it's a NWA creation. They are using GAB & HHavoc as PPV names now, so why not steal the best match.

[Guest netslob]

what McMahon needs to do...hold a barbed wire match. i'd sell my soul to see that. using REAL barbed wire, too, not that gimmicked, plastic shit.

[Guest Choken One]

Barbed Wire matches suck. They have used legit barbed wire as well.

[Guest netslob]

Barbed Wire matches suck.

says you. they got enough talented guys that they can pull it off. their the great workers, they can make a match like that work just fine.

[Guest Choken One]

Barbed Wire matches are like Scaffold Matches...

 

Pointless and counter productive and impossible to manipulate into having a good match with.

[Guest netslob]

ye of little faith. BW matches and Scaffold matches are two completely different gimmick matches and have nothing in common. i'll concede that scaffold matches almost always suck. but a BW match could be a good match if you got two guys who are good workers and work well together, who can tell a good story in a match, build good drama and psychology, and incorporate the wire into that. it CAN be done. it shouldn't be that hard. it's all a matter of perspective.

[Guest slacklet]

Benoit vs. HHH - Falls Count Anywhere.

 

Referencing the Sullivan match in the build-up would be a great way to promote Benoit's upcoming DVD.

[Karc 0]

They have not used a TLC since October 2002 (aka the "raw match of decade") and Iron Man hasn't been used since that shitfest Angle/Lesnar put out last Fall and Three Stages haven't been touched since Shawn and Trips pissed on the concept and we saw the Chamber last SummerSlam.

 

See, I love the concepts, but with WWE, their problem is either over-exposure or overuse. My feeling is that if any of these matches were to actually be the most brutal of them all, they should only be on PPV.

 

Oddly enough, with the exception of the Iron Man, the time when the gimmicks ran their course into the ground was when Triple H had something to gain from it. He won the title in his Iron Man match, but that was okay because he was good in 2000.

 

But TLC Raw was only intended to build Kane as a viable contender to the newly built "fake world title," having to beat six guys by himself because Triple H took out his tag partner. As usual, Triple H then goes on to squash Kane at the next PPV to retain. Sure, the match was good, but it was really unnecessary when the point of it all was to make Kane look like a monster one week and then Triple H's bitch the next. A simple hardcore tag title match would have been easier on guys like Jeff Hardy, who must have known that they were only bumping for a guy who had no chance of putting them over.

 

Triple H has been invovled in two "Three Stages in Hell" matches, one against Austin which was good, and one against HBK, which of course was no so good. Primary problem was the rivalry meant fiddlesticks after Summerslam 2002. HBK wasn't a drawing champion, so of course HHH was getting the belt back. Even more obvious is that fact Triple H went over in both matches (odd since Austin was being built to win the title at WM X-7). It was the same old "anything you can do I can do better" attitude that both men have built their careers on, and thus the match really didn't matter in the long run.

 

Ah, the EC match at Summerslam '03. After actually making promos that the main event would be Triple H vs. Goldberg (and hyped as the biggest main event in the history of Summerslam that few cared about), Triple H gets injured. Thus this match automatically takes away its whole "the ultimate Survivor Series title match" aura it would have had down the road. Everyone here knew that the match was only used to hide Triple H's injury so he wouldn't have to work, so naturally many were pissed that they finally pushed Goldberg as a monster only to have hem get jobbed to a hammer. I'm sorry McMahon, but when you take a match like that and turn it into an excuse for your son-in-law, you do not earn my respect. I hope the chamber never comes back.

 

Triple H has successfully ran Hell in a Cell into the ground. HBK vs. HHH was the same old spotfest like the other FOUR gimmick matches on PPV, and HHH vs. Nash sucked so much ref Foley had to take all of the bumps. It was never any different from a spotfest steel cage match in my opinion.

[Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0]

They have done the barbedwire deathmatch already. Foley VS Orton was a brawl that would be seen in 1995 IWA with the board. They have noone right now who would be able/willing to do it anyway, especially given the more traditional(for what that's worth in WWE land) wrestling style they are pushing right now.

 

Not mention the fact that if they did a true no rope wire match(even if it's like the Honma/Yamakawa BJW type wrestling around the wire) they run a serious risk of getting booted from their PPV and possibly TV providers due to excess violence and risk.

 

Anything that can be achieved in the wire can be achieved in a straight match while actually telling story without being inhibited by/expected to big spots that put wrestlers in danger to aid at best shady storytelling.

[1234-5678 0]

Barbed Wire matches are like Scaffold Matches...

 

Pointless and counter productive and impossible to manipulate into having a good match with.

Foley and The Sandman did it. I'd say Funk/Sabu too, but that match was too disgusting to be considered good.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

This may sound weird, but I'd like to see a Three Stages of Hell on the Fly match.

 

Basically, get both guys in the ring, and make a point that there's ladders, cages, whatever they need in the building. Ref flips a coin, and the winner, right then and there, calls the rules for the first fall. Then, you have the winner of the first fall call the rules for the second, winner of the second calls the third.

 

It'd add a fair bit of unpredictability to the match (for the fans, at least) and they could realistically hype it as being the most unpredictable match in history, since no one even knows what the rules will be yet. I think it'd be interesting, and certainly no worse then a normal three stages of hell match.

[caboose 0]

Triple H has been invovled in two "Three Stages in Hell" matches, one against Austin which was good, and one against HBK, which of course was no so good.

I'd like to dispute the fact that the Austin-Triple H ''Three stages of Hell'' match was good. It was in my opinion, and I'm sure I'm not alone, the most overrated match of 2001 WWF.

[Guest Repo Man Reborn]

Don't they own the rights to the Viagra on a Pole Match?

[Guest Trivia247]

15,000 volt Electrified Cage

[Art Sandusky 0]

Triple H has been invovled in two "Three Stages in Hell" matches, one against Austin which was good, and one against HBK, which of course was no so good.

I'd like to dispute the fact that the Austin-Triple H ''Three stages of Hell'' match was good. It was in my opinion, and I'm sure I'm not alone, the most overrated match of 2001 WWF.

It wasn't the 2001 WWF MOTY (I give that to either Benoit/Jericho at the Rumble or Rock/Austin at Wrestlemania for sheer hype and intensity), but it was certainly good. It was the last time I've seen a feud between two wrestlers end in a truly definitive manner, as HHH and Austin both put over how much they hated each other extremely well in the match. Hot crowd (even buying near-falls from Austin despite it being obvious HHH had to win the second fall to send it to a third), malice shown at least by Austin (the pulverization of HHH with the chair during the second fall), and an ending that showed that both men were, to use an Orwellian term, equal, but HHH was more equal than Austin. I give it ****1/4 on the WWE scale, probably gets about *** tops if I looked at it in a totally scientific manner.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Yeah, I still regret not seeing that match live.

 

On tape, it came across as very blah. Of course, that was partially because I knew the finish, but it was also partially because you can see them hand the blade back and forth a number of times, and you can hear them calling spots the whole friggin' time. I dunno what it is about HHH, but MAN, sometimes you can hear him calling spots for days.

 

The beer can after the finish is comical though, as is the fact that I'm pretty sure HHH bladed AFTER the finish.

[dpac 0]

Why not bring back War Games, back in the day there were never really any BIG BUMPS, but they were the most entertaining matches around. I would much rather watch War Games instead of the Elimination Chamber.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Why not bring back War Games

 

Cuz it's a WCW idea.

 

I mean, I'd like to see it too, but there's the reason you won't.

[dpac 0]

Why not bring back War Games

 

Cuz it's a WCW idea.

 

I mean, I'd like to see it too, but there's the reason you won't.

Well they brought back Great American Bash.

[jester 0]

When was the last time they did an I Quit match?

 

I know technically that any match that ends with a submission means that somebody quit, but I think to actually force an opponent to say the words is far more humiliating and is a great way to definitively end a feud.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I'm still a little irked no one is willing to use the War Games concept just because it's a NWA creation. They are using GAB & HHavoc as PPV names now, so why not steal the best match.

 

I swear, people really have a hard time grasping the concept of reading posts in the thread before actually replying.

[1234-5678 0]

When was the last time they did an I Quit match?

 

I know technically that any match that ends with a submission means that somebody quit, but I think to actually force an opponent to say the words is far more humiliating and is a great way to definitively end a feud.

Was it Foley-Rock? I know Angle-Benoit had a "submission" match at a PPV.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Technically never. Every I Quit Match WWF/E has had included screwy endings where no one said "I Quit".

[Guest Choken One]

Actually Backlund/Hart wasn't screwy...Backlund just forgot to say I QUIT and just shouting "yes arrgghh yeah"...

 

I can only think of Rock/Foley and Austin/Hart as other I QUIT Matches...both of course had "screwy" finish or non "i quit" finish

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I can't judge the Backlund/Bret match. The PPV feed went out RIGHT when Bret probably put on the chicken wing, because 30 seconds later, the crowd cheers and the screen comes back and Bret wins with...whoevers the heel on PBP complaining.

[Guest Choken One]

That would be Lawler I believe.

 

That was SUCH a disapointing match too...after a **** match at Series...I QUIT had such potential and yet Bret Phoned it in and it was **.

 

when Johnathon Taylor Thomas had better workrate in the chess game then Bret Hart did in the match...You just have to cry when you realize they realistically could have given us Owen/Bret III and made that fucking card something decent.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Also the fact the SSeries match lasted somewhere in the 35:00 zone gave it more time to develope. The WM XI Match barely hit 10:00 IIRC. Bret's best matches are usually ones that are given plenty of time....unless they are versus terrible workers, and even then he carried slugs like Diesel to good matches.