CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2004 I don't think you can get on Mickelson too bad about losing this one. On a day when no one in the whole tournament played under par, he made three birdies in four holes to take the lead. Yeah, he double bogeyed 17 to lose it, but he still shot a damn good round, and if Goosen hadn't shot an amazing round, he would have won the US Open by three strokes. I would say that double bogeying on the 17th while tied for the lead is choking. He missed a putt that was practically a gimmie. The only reason hackers consider five-footers gimmes is because they can't make them themselves when called upon. That putt might have been harder than the one he made to win the Masters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2004 If you think Shinnecock was difficult this weekend, just keep in mind that Corey Pavin won the Open there in '95 by finishing the tournament at even par. Also, at Carnoustie in '99 (not sure on the year), the winner there finished the tournament at +6. Keep in mind though the first two rounds had perfect conditions. On the weekend, it became a true US open course. Sunday's average round was 79. The worst since the '72 US Open. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nanks Report post Posted June 21, 2004 Does anybody know what they greens were running at?? It must have been 17 or 18 the way the ball was rolling, I saw quite a few rolls which weren't all that true as well. That's not good enough for a major. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2004 Does anybody know what they greens were running at?? It must have been 17 or 18 the way the ball was rolling, I saw quite a few rolls which weren't all that true as well. That's not good enough for a major. They said during the telecast that they were running at 13 or 14, which would put them equal to or worse than Augusta's greens. Mike Weir had a great quote: "I feel sorry for the members who won't be able to play their course for a few weeks." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2004 If you think Shinnecock was difficult this weekend, just keep in mind that Corey Pavin won the Open there in '95 by finishing the tournament at even par. Also, at Carnoustie in '99 (not sure on the year), the winner there finished the tournament at +6. Carnoustie in 1999 may have been the most difficult course ever played during the modern era. I think it would be interesting to see how today's pro players handle Pine Valley, but it's doubtful a big tournament will ever be held there due to the lack of viewing space. I also bet Oakmont in 2007 ends up being a brutal US Open for scoring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2004 I think it would be interesting to see how today's pro players handle Pine Valley, but it's doubtful a big tournament will ever be held there due to the lack of viewing space. I think it's more due to the fact that they don't allow women. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nanks Report post Posted June 22, 2004 They were only running 13-14?? What are they complaining about?? Royal Melbourne runs at 13 every tournament they have there, I played 2 days after the Heineken Classic two years ago, it was hella quick, but it certainly wasn't unreasonable. The roll mustn't have been true enough for that speed of green. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2004 I don't think you can get on Mickelson too bad about losing this one. On a day when no one in the whole tournament played under par, he made three birdies in four holes to take the lead. Yeah, he double bogeyed 17 to lose it, but he still shot a damn good round, and if Goosen hadn't shot an amazing round, he would have won the US Open by three strokes. I would say that double bogeying on the 17th while tied for the lead is choking. He missed a putt that was practically a gimmie. The only reason hackers consider five-footers gimmes is because they can't make them themselves when called upon. That putt might have been harder than the one he made to win the Masters. A. We aren't talking about hackers, we are talking about pros. If a 5 footer isn't a gimmie to a pro they don't belong out there. 2. Those greens were so tough that Goosen 1 putted 11 holes. III. Mickelson has shown a large tendency to choke, this was just one more example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2004 I don't think you can get on Mickelson too bad about losing this one. On a day when no one in the whole tournament played under par, he made three birdies in four holes to take the lead. Yeah, he double bogeyed 17 to lose it, but he still shot a damn good round, and if Goosen hadn't shot an amazing round, he would have won the US Open by three strokes. I would say that double bogeying on the 17th while tied for the lead is choking. He missed a putt that was practically a gimmie. The only reason hackers consider five-footers gimmes is because they can't make them themselves when called upon. That putt might have been harder than the one he made to win the Masters. A. We aren't talking about hackers, we are talking about pros. If a 5 footer isn't a gimmie to a pro they don't belong out there. You can't be serious. Pros miss about half of all those "gimme" 5-footers they look at. Add to that the fact that he's putting downhill on glass, and a pro will probably miss that 2 out of 3 times. 2. Those greens were so tough that Goosen 1 putted 11 holes. Did anyone else? Didn't think so. Goosen was more lucky than good himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drury37 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2004 Phil Mickleson is the man and anyone who roots against him is a complete jackass. I don't know what there is to root against when it comes to him. I am originally from Long Island and people in the New York, New Jersey and Connecticut tri-state area just love this guy and rightfully so. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I don't think you can get on Mickelson too bad about losing this one. On a day when no one in the whole tournament played under par, he made three birdies in four holes to take the lead. Yeah, he double bogeyed 17 to lose it, but he still shot a damn good round, and if Goosen hadn't shot an amazing round, he would have won the US Open by three strokes. I would say that double bogeying on the 17th while tied for the lead is choking. He missed a putt that was practically a gimmie. The only reason hackers consider five-footers gimmes is because they can't make them themselves when called upon. That putt might have been harder than the one he made to win the Masters. A. We aren't talking about hackers, we are talking about pros. If a 5 footer isn't a gimmie to a pro they don't belong out there. You can't be serious. Pros miss about half of all those "gimme" 5-footers they look at. Add to that the fact that he's putting downhill on glass, and a pro will probably miss that 2 out of 3 times. 2. Those greens were so tough that Goosen 1 putted 11 holes. Did anyone else? Didn't think so. Goosen was more lucky than good himself. Sure, he was lucky.. yet somehow despite all this supposed "luck", Goosen and Mickelson were tied when Phil teed off on the 17th. Face it, Mickelson choked, just like he has in the past in similar situations, and just like he will in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 One more thing to keep in mind, I don't dislike Mickelson, in fact the opposite. I was rooting for him to win, and he seems to be a genuinely nice guy, but the bottom line is that he chokes in pressure situations. End of story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
