This Seems To Have Been Ignored Nicely

[Guest INXS]

He was trying to build WMD's? I must have missed all those WMD finds ....

 

Yes, he was TRYING to build nuclear weapons; did you miss the entire article in the first post of this thread?

It's CLAIMS that he was seeking Uranium...sure, given the materials he might have built a nuclear weapon, might even have used it if succesful in building but that doesn't change the fact that he had no WMD.

 

He has to face punishment for his crimes, no doubt about that but it remains that he didn't have WMD.

[Jingus 0]

INXS, listen carefully:

 

Saddam. Had. Weapons. Of. Mass. Destruction.

 

That is a FACT. The gas he used to kill thousands of Kurds with back in the 80's is classified as an WMD.

 

And it's been pretty well established that he had programs running to try and develop both nuclear and biological weapons.

 

What has not been found is the evidence of him possessing or being able to build such a weapon... for now. Five years down the line and he might've easily had them.

[Guest INXS]

He HAD the WMD, once upon a time..i'm not disputing that..he didn't have any when we invaded though...which was the main reason given..let's not forget that we, and other countries, sold him the WMD with which he used to slaughter his own people.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Ugh..... not this stupid argument again.

[Jingus 0]

What was the one line Dre had in that Eminem track... something along the lines of "You're talking 'bout guns, what, do you think I sold all mine?" If he had them in the past, why the hell wouldn't he now?

 

And America sure as hell never sold Geneva-banned nerve gas to any 3rd world countries, including Iraq.

[Guest INXS]

I agree, if left alone, in my opinion he would have had them..if he had any when we invaded (or the months prior) we would have found them by now.

[Guest BDC]

Like hell we would have.

 

France, Russia, Germany, all the nations doing their damn well best to stall gave Hussien PLENTY of time to hide his stuff. Sitting around talking about it before you do it for a few months is a damn sure way to make sure that he has enough time to cover his tracks. Use some logic.

 

Oh, btw, just wanted to say that you using an altered picture of the Korean War memorial to deface our president is really disgusting.

[Guest INXS]

I'll change it then..just for you.

[Art Sandusky 0]

That's defacing the President?

[Art Sandusky 0]

Planned... attempted... tried...

 

When I hear "bought," I'll give a damn.

So you don't care that a person more than willing to bring destruction to the U.S. was trying to get the material to do so?

 

Okie Dokie...

Ideally, no one would have these materials.

 

Anyway, no, it doesn't worry me because rogue nations have been trying to go nuclear for years and years since the Western powers made it clear early in the Atomic Age that they were only going to share the information with what were considered responsible nations. Also, the material is useless in an offensive capacity without the technology and know-how to actually covert it for military use. How many nations have had the materials but had to figure it out for themselves? Look at how long it took them to do, and they had much better physicists and engineers in their employ than Iraq had under Hussein I'm sure.

[Guest BDC]

Why bother with a missile delivery system if you can find someone willing to carry it in a briefcase?

[Art Sandusky 0]

Find someone in Iraq who can engineer something like that. Also keep in mind that such a move would bring complete and utter destruction to Iraq if they ever planned and such a thing. Other stuff might be hard to keep track of, but nuclear materials are usually traceable. They'd be complete idiots to attack us with a nuclear device as a complete surprise, and even they recognized that. Post 9/11, I also think they'd have a hard time getting that stuff into the country.

[Guest MikeSC]

Find someone in Iraq who can engineer something like that. Also keep in mind that such a move would bring complete and utter destruction to Iraq if they ever planned and such a thing. Other stuff might be hard to keep track of, but nuclear materials are usually traceable. They'd be complete idiots to attack us with a nuclear device as a complete surprise, and even they recognized that. Post 9/11, I also think they'd have a hard time getting that stuff into the country.

You know they were trying to get former Soviet scientists ever since the fall of the USSR for their WMD program.

 

Heck, as Rush pointed out, Saddam KILLED two of his sons-in-law for LEAKING INFO ABOUT THE WMD PROGRAM.

 

You know, the one that "doesn't exist".

-=Mike

[Art Sandusky 0]

Once again, who hasn't been trying to become part of the Global Nuclear Clique?

[Guest Hero to all Children]

Uh ... Germany? Japan? French New Guinea? CANADA?

Okay, maybe I'm wrong about Canada. Ca-nukes. Hurhur.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Heck, as Rush pointed out...

AHAHAHAHAHAHA -- You use Limbaugh as a source for your argument?

 

And why did the U.S. Government let bin Laden's family leave the country the day after 9/11? I'll tell you why -- to line Bush's pockets...

[Guest MikeSC]

Once again, who hasn't been trying to become part of the Global Nuclear Clique?

We're supposed to ignore Saddam because OTHERS are also trying?

-=Mike

[Art Sandusky 0]

No, but paying more attention to others would be good.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Find someone in Iraq who can engineer something like that. Also keep in mind that such a move would bring complete and utter destruction to Iraq if they ever planned and such a thing

 

What was that old middle eastern fable about the scorpion and the frog? I think those were the animals involved, anyway.

 

Basically, this scorpion talks this frog into giving him a ride over a river under the assumption that if he stings the amphibian, they'll both croak (nyuk). He does it anyway, and even as he's being swept downstream, he's like "Fuck you, Kermit, you'll die too."

 

I changed the words a little, but it's still the same story. I didn't make it up, honest.

[Guest MikeSC]

No, but paying more attention to others would be good.

We are paying attention to others.

-=Mike

[Guest Hero to all Children]

Unless I was mistaken the fable went more like:

 

Scorp: Take me accross the river on my back, dude.

Frog: No way, no day. You'll sting and kill me.

Scorp: Foo', I'd die too!

So the frog takes the scorpion onto his back and about at the middle of the river the scorpion loses self-control and stings the frog a new asshole.

In his dying breath the frog asks "Why did you do this? You too will die, now."

And the scorpion answers "Because it's in my nature."

 

 

Or something like that.

[Vyce 0]

Unless I was mistaken the fable went more like:

 

Scorp: Take me accross the river on my back, dude.

Frog: No way, no day. You'll sting and kill me.

Scorp: Foo', I'd die too!

So the frog takes the scorpion onto his back and about at the middle of the river the scorpion loses self-control and stings the frog a new asshole.

In his dying breath the frog asks "Why did you do this? You too will die, now."

And the scorpion answers "Because it's in my nature."

 

 

Or something like that.

You blatanly stole that from an episode of MacGyver.

 

I know, because I saw the same episode.

[Guest Hero to all Children]

It could be Mac Gyver, I learned this as a child. And sadly women totally love mac Gyver based on the premise "if he's only half as handy and skilled in bed as he's in emergency situations ... !" so I got to see him a lot as a child.

 

But I'm pretty sure generic old Chinese man© actually said that. Could have been in Mac Gyver though.

[Guest No Survivors]

Good day to you all. Looks like an interesting debate.

 

Saddam KILLED two of his sons-in-law for LEAKING INFO ABOUT THE WMD PROGRAM.

 

 

 

A year ago, some of what Saddam's son-in-law, Gen. Hussein Kamal – director of Iraq's nuke, chem-bio and missile programs – had revealed when he defected to Jordan in 1995 was revealed to us.

 

Kamal had been interviewed in Jordan by Rolf Ekeus, chairman of the U.N. Special Commission on Iraq and Chief Inspector Maurizio Zifferero of the International Atomic Energy Agency. And by the CIA.

 

A year ago, Newsweek obtained a copy of the U.N. interview.

 

It seems that immediately after the Gulf War cease-fire, Kamal had ordered the destruction of all Iraqi chem-bio weapons – and the makings thereof – and the missiles to deliver them. Of course, Iraq had no nukes – or the makings thereof – to destroy.

 

Kamal had been "a gold mine of information. He had a good memory and, piece by piece, he laid out the main personnel, sites and progress of each WMD program." A military aide who defected with Kamal supported Kamal's assertions. Furthermore, Kamal had brought thousands of supporting documents with him.

 

By 1995, of course, UNSCOM and the IAEA had already concluded that virtually all Iraqi WMD had been destroyed, but they couldn't be sure that Kamal was telling them the whole truth.

 

So, according to Newsweek, Kamal's revelations were kept secret all these years in hopes that Saddam – uncertain as to exactly what Kamal had revealed – could be "bluffed" into providing them the whole truth.