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[razazteca 0]

Crazy trade #2 Plexiglass Burress for David Givens.

[Lightning Flik 0]

It's been a long time since this thead was around, but I just felt the need of bragging.

 

I won this week against Presented by Bank One.

 

I won 79.82 to 77.32 (by my scores, but we'll see what happens later on tonight when Yahoo finalizes it). This was a week when I had not Droughns and Lelie. Even if I somehow lose (as my scoring stuff might be wrong), I lose by a little.

 

FEAR ME!!! I SHALL OWN YOU COME THE PLAYOFFS!!!

[razazteca 0]

I think I would of been better off not starting a QB this week, Brian Greasie got me -2 points.

[Lightning Flik 0]

It's 4:24 am here and I think I pulled something in my neck and so I can't sleep. Anyways, so Yahoo finally posts the scores and the bastards counted a fumble against McCareins that he didn't lose, so now I get smacked with a -2 on him and the score ends up as such.

 

Crimson Storm (me) - 81.34

Presented By BankOne - 81.41

 

I would be depressed about this loss if it wasn't the fact that L.J. Smith of the Eagles gets a start against Dallas.

 

The bad news is he's a Tight End and so odds are it'll be a single pass his way or two.

 

The good news? 1 yard is all I need to claim victory as it'll give me 0.10 in points and make me beat Presented By BankOne. So tonight I'll definitely be watching the football game in hopes that Smith gets that 1 pass for 1 yard.

[Cuban Linx 0]

Shit, that's about as close as you can get. I'm sure Smith will get the points needed for you to win, in all my leagues every time i'm in a close matchup i always end up losing this year so i'm sure this will end up another loss for me. If only stupid ass Buffalo didn't stop Dillon from scoring a TD or two.

[Lightning Flik 0]

I know... It's so close. I'm just hoping Smith gets in the offense. My only problem is since after the first three games of the season, Smith has 44 yards and a TD.

 

Not encouraging stats.

[the pinjockey 0]

FEAR ME!!! I SHALL OWN YOU COME THE PLAYOFFS!!!

um...no?

 

I fear Foreign Objects more than any other non-Randy Orton team.

[Lightning Flik 0]

FEAR ME!!! I SHALL OWN YOU COME THE PLAYOFFS!!!

um...no?

 

I fear Foreign Objects more than any other non-Randy Orton team.

Dude. I could be on a five game winning streak. Fear me.

 

Besides, I'll beat that poser, Serenity, in the last week of the season. Count on it.

[razazteca 0]

HHH/Randy Orton teams are going on the downward spiral losing streak just like the Vikings! There is nothing to fear but your own overconfidence and underestimating your opponet.

[Der Kommissar 0]

I don't fear the Crimson Storm either. I would have beaten them rather easily the past two weeks. About the only team I fear is Serenity at this point. I beat the Objects, despite wasting two roster spots on Randy Moss and Thomas Jones, who ended up getting a whole .1 point between them, so I'm confident I can do it again should I meet them in the playoffs.

 

About the only team I'm worried about is Serenity. I have them in Week 13, and I should have Randy Moss back at that time, in theory anyway, so I should be able to see how good my team can do without injuries, bye weeks, and suspensions getting in the way. Should be interesting.

 

Orton's good as well, but his current lack of a quarterback hurts him. I am assuming that will solve itself when Leftwich returns in Week 12, assuming Leftwich doesn't have some weird setback. Given, I am not sure I can say much about Orton since he can still beat me this week if TO gets into the endzone twice tonight. While things still look rosy for my team with a 22 point lead, I REALLY wish the Patriots hadn't given up that punt return TD to the Bills now. Damn Patriots.

[the pinjockey 0]

With Orton, though, by the time the playoffs roll around Pennington and Leftwich will be healthy and it is not like he is going to be struggling for a playoff spot. And going by original thoughts a RB tandem of Barber and Smith would not be scary, but they just keep producing so it is hard to discount them at this point.

 

And Foreign Objects, while having wildly inconsistent players, can roll off a major week with Brooks, Johnson, Stokely, Holmes, McGahee and Gonzo. It is one of those things where nine times out of 10 at least a couple of them won't perform and they should be beatable, but if you catch them on the week where they all go big it can be ugly.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

I'm liking my team more and more going into the potential playoffs(Assuming I go 6-4). Favre is capable of putting up 20+ easily and Clayton/Givens have been really stepping up. TJ should be huge once he gets healthy(hopefully next week) and should help form a devistating combo with SA. Kennison should be very good now that the KC offense is clicking again. Elam is Elam and Wiggins should benefit from the lack of Moss as he did this past week. My biggest concern is the Arizona D but they've been decent-solid all season for me.

[the pinjockey 0]

And the NFL has nothing on us, considering there is only one team out of the playoff hunt.

 

Also, Tyrone Wheatley is available for anyone looking for a RB. I'll package him and a WR for a WR upgrade.

[the pinjockey 0]

You were right behind Foreign Objects, Harley, IMO. It just came down to Priest being the best non-QB and when in doubt I lean toward the team with the single best player. You certainly have a team I would not look forward to meeting in the playoffs.

[Lightning Flik 0]

WTF?! No one worries about a guy who coubld be winning 5 straight (I'm banking on Smith getting a single yard people, it's one fucking yard) with the type of team I have?

 

HOW CAN YOU NOT FEAR ME? MY TEAM DEFIES LOGIC!!! I SHALT OWN YOU ALL DAMMIT!!!

 

Edit: In all seriousness, my team sucks and if I make it out of the first round, I'm a lucky bastard.

Edited November 15, 2004 by Lightning Flik

[the pinjockey 0]

I wouldn't say your team sucks. Martin and Droughns have the ability to hang one on somebody. You have a second tier receiver in Lelie and you have great performance out of your kicker and Def (don't underestimate the importance of this). It is just you have Harrington at QB, which is the money spot the way this league's scoring is. With him at QB you have no wiggle room if anyone else has a bad day.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Bah, Bah x 10^60. I can't believe McNown put up negative points.

 

I still kicked your ass in the COSG league, Raz. And I'll kick your ass in the yahoo league too. Then again, my team shouldn't be doing welll...I thought I was completely screwed with Barber and Old Man Emmitt at RB. But like pinjockey said, they're producing.

 

WIll has a Holt and Moss, right? His team will be scary if both are healthy.

[the pinjockey 0]

I am not too worried about that, because this league really kills the value of WRs.

[razazteca 0]

In this league its all about yardage with the main event position being the QB that never gets sacked, the midcard would be the RBs that can get at least 100 total yards, and the WRs would be the lowcard who get at leas 50 yards a game with a TD. The jobbers would be the Special Teams players that only return punts or kickoffs.......they often get overlooked because it is not a glamous position but they are needed for BYE weeks. The Kicker can be seen as the manager or valet that will cheat to win by taking the risky 50 yard FG. The Defense can be seen as the announcers as you know one big catch phrase can make the match just like a big INT return for a TD.

[razazteca 0]

Bah, Bah x 10^60. I can't believe McNown put up negative points.

 

I still kicked your ass in the COSG league, Raz. And I'll kick your ass in the yahoo league too. Then again, my team shouldn't be doing welll...I thought I was completely screwed with Barber and Old Man Emmitt at RB. But like pinjockey said, they're producing.

 

WIll has a Holt and Moss, right? His team will be scary if both are healthy.

The way I see it we split games in different leagues. I was the one responsible for your losing streak in the Yahoo league as I beat you just like the Giants beat the Vikings. I then got bitch smacked in the COSG so it is a tie....so unless there was tie breaker in some other league that I don't know about we are 1-1.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Speaking of people complaining about WRs lack of production, here's something I'd like to add for next season.

 

QB completions, RB attempts, and WR catches taken into account.

 

Ratio .25 pts per completion, .10 pts per attempt, and a point per catch.

 

What do you people think? Oh and I'm downgrading the amount of stats for the defense and upgrading the actual defense points you can get. I'll have more on that at a later date.

[Der Kommissar 0]

WIll has a Holt and Moss, right? His team will be scary if both are healthy.

 

I agree on Moss, but not so much on Holt. Holt's problem is that he is quite inconsistent. Like a few weeks ago against Tampa, he had an amazing game and scored 24 points for my team. The next, he had an underwhelming 4 yard performance against Miami. He bounced back last week with a 17 point performance, then put up a disappointing 32 yard performance this week.

 

I am quite happy with my team lately. My QB, TE, and DEF poisitons have been exceptional. I have been getting big numbers from Brees, Gates, and the Chicago DEF. Of course, since they can't pick on mediocre teams forever, that might soon be a problem in the coming weeks, but I'll enjoy while I can. Even with Brees and Gates this week, I still got some decent numbers from Garrard and Dilger as my bye week fill ins.

 

Running back could be a boon or a worry for me, depending on whether Jones can break out later in the season and how many running backs the Vikings decide to use. I also picked up Julius Jones this week in hopes that may see some action later in the season, so hopefully two of them will do well enough to help me in the playoffs.

 

I think I have a fair chance in the playoffs, if I get there. My team has been having some pretty high weeks lately, and I have scored 100+ the past three weeks, despite missing some of my best players. I figure I can at least make it interesting, which is better than my quiet exit last year, if nothing else.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Point per catch is a good rule. It'll boost the value of WRs. For next year, we should actually try calculating stats out, and see how it looks. If there's variety of positions at the top, then the scoring system is probably pretty solid.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Speaking of people complaining about WRs lack of production, here's something I'd like to add for next season.

 

QB completions, RB attempts, and WR catches taken into account.

 

Ratio .25 pts per completion, .10 pts per attempt, and a point per catch.

 

What do you people think? Oh and I'm downgrading the amount of stats for the defense and upgrading the actual defense points you can get. I'll have more on that at a later date.

Get rid of the return yards and make it more focused on the DEFENSE(points allowed, fumble recovery, INT, sacks). Also players themselves have return yards so it's just duplicating it. Just let players have the return yards.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Point per catch is a good rule. It'll boost the value of WRs. For next year, we should actually try calculating stats out, and see how it looks. If there's variety of positions at the top, then the scoring system is probably pretty solid.

I could do that but I'll do it when I return and give you a summary alright? Got a group school project meeting to head to.

[Der Kommissar 0]

I agree with Harley. It seems like defenses get rewarded for giving up more points. Heck, half the time I am hoping my defense gives up a field goal or a touchdown because they will only lose 1(or sometimes 0) points, but gain those right back from return yards.

 

I also think safeties should be worth a bit more. They seem like they would be harder to get than a sack, int, or fumble, yet they are worth the same amount of fantasy points. I just think teams should be rewarded in the unlikely event that they get a safety.

 

the bastards counted a fumble against McCareins that he didn't lose, so now I get smacked with a -2 on him and the score ends up as such.

 

In my other league, the commissioner fucked up and fumbles are worth +1 point, so every time someone loses a fumble, it actually improves his point total. I guess it is to make up for last year when fumbles were -2 and fumbles lost would be -2 more, causing people to get quite pissed whenever their guy fumbled the ball.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Get rid of the return yards and make it more focused on the DEFENSE(points allowed,  fumble recovery, INT, sacks).  Also players themselves have return yards so it's just duplicating it.  Just let players have the return yards.

That would be one of the things to go.

 

However, my changes would make defense a very plausable position to make a second or first rounder next season (this is assuming three/four keepers). Again, I have to work on the details once I return home from school, but I have a concrete idea of what I need to change to make Defense good.

 

I agree with Harley.  It seems like defenses get rewarded for giving up more points.  Heck, half the time I am hoping my defense gives up a field goal or a touchdown because they will only lose 1(or sometimes 0) points, but gain those right back from return yards.

 

I also think safeties should be worth a bit more.  They seem like they would be harder to get than a sack, int, or fumble, yet they are worth the same amount of fantasy points.  I just think teams should be rewarded in the unlikely event that they get a safety.

 

the bastards counted a fumble against McCareins that he didn't lose, so now I get smacked with a -2 on him and the score ends up as such.

 

In my other league, the commissioner fucked up and fumbles are worth +1 point, so every time someone loses a fumble, it actually improves his point total. I guess it is to make up for last year when fumbles were -2 and fumbles lost would be -2 more, causing people to get quite pissed whenever their guy fumbled the ball.

Don't expect the return yards to matter even if I did leave them in. The new scoring scheme for defense will make you PAY for giving up points. Big time. More on that when I get home and actually impliment the system I have in mind.

 

Safeties will be worth more next season. And the highest you can get on defense should you get one.

 

As well fumbles, sacks and interceptions shall be worth different amounts of points both on the offensive and defensive sides. It's more of a balancing system.

 

Oh and about the fumbles and fumbles lost... That is being implimented next year.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Note: I'll revise the scoring totals when Flik gives me the total formulas/scoring system. I'll likely include TE/K/DEF if he gives me everything.

 

Okay, here's the Top 5 from each position (ex: TE/K/DEF) based on current league scoring and what they'd score under Flik's set up.

 

QB completions, RB attempts, and WR catches taken into account.

 

Ratio .25 pts per completion, .10 pts per attempt, and a point per catch.

 

Biggest Find: INT's as being worth 2 can kill QB's as can sacks. Fumbles are the same as INT's(-2) which is kind of questionable but whatever.

 

QB

#1: Peyton Manning = 49.25 + 1.50 + 3.80 - 12 - 6 + 186 + 109.96 - 2 = 330.51

#2: Daunte Culpepper = 56.50 + 4.80 + 20.40 - 24 - 10 - 14 + 108.48 + 150 + 6 = 298.18

#3: Jake Plummer = 44.25 + 3.00 + 9.90 - 20 - 7 - 6 + 91.28 + 114 = 229.43

#4: Brett Favre = 48.25 + .6 + 1.20 - 18 - 5 - 2 + 89.72 + 108 = 222.77

#5: Drew Brees = 40 + 2.30 + 4.70 + 6 - 6 - 11 - 8 + 74.16 + 108 = 210.16

For Fun: Michael Vick = 27.50 + 7.40 + 53.60 - 14 - 30 - 18 + 61.48 + 42 = 135.98

 

RB

#1: Tiki Barber = 18.40 + 92.80 + 54 + 36 + 46.3 + 6 - 2 = 251.50

#2: Priest Holmes = 19.60 + 89.20 + 84 + 19 + 18.70 + 6 - 8 = 228.50

#3: Shaun Alexander = 19.50 + 105.50 + 54 + 13 + 10.30 + 18 - 4 = 216.30

#4: Curtis Martin = 21.80 + 98.40 + 54 + 27 + 12.40 + 6 - 2 = 217.60

#5: Ahman Green = 18 + 86.40 + 36 + 25 + 17.80 + 6 - 8 = 181.20

 

WR

#1: Javon Walker = 49 + 85.70 + 48 - 4 = 178.70

#2: Terrell Owens = 49 + 75 + 54 = 178.00

#3: Joe Horn = 54 + 75.80 + 30 = 159.80

#4: Reggie Wayne = 41 + 63.60 + 42 = 146.60

#5: Muhsin Muhammed = 45 + 61.30 + 42 = 148.30

[the pinjockey 0]

I don't see a problem with INT counting the same as fumbles. A turnover is a turnover. I definitely don't think sacks should be worth -2 as that is a little too much out of the QB's control.

[Lightning Flik 0]

I don't see a problem with INT counting the same as fumbles. A turnover is a turnover. I definitely don't think sacks should be worth -2 as that is a little too much out of the QB's control.

Um... Sacks are only -1 on the QB.