Guest bigm350 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Should HHH take the title this Sunday how bad would it really be? Granted, I'd like to see Benoit retain but we know the inevitable will happen eventually. HHH is the number 1 heel on Raw and has been putting on good matches for awhile. If there is nothing we can do to change HHH from getting the belt back I say we sit back and enjoy the good matches that will be coming up. No sense in getting stressed about something we can't control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Well frankly, being a fan of the man, I'd be glad to see HHH win the belt. However, I see Benoit winning and dropping it to HHH at Summerslam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted July 10, 2004 It would be the end of the world! If HHH gets the tittle back he'll never lose it again! Sure we said that the last time he won it...and the time before but this time it's for real! Benoit should keep the title but it wouldn't be that horrible if HHH was the champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiny norman 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 I personally think it would be a bad option, though I'm not a huge Benoit fan. Benoit is probably the best guy on Raw at the moment. I feel if Benoit beats Triple H they could finally cement him as being a superstar who will be remembered. Benoit losing the title will just return to a tired and safe option. While Triple H has been wrestling well recently, I think for him to regain the belt despite the fact that Raw has been doing rather well lately would be a silly move. Benoit's fine with the belt. I'd say keep him with it for a while and let either HBK win it from him and turn himself heel in the process or Orton so as he can have a "I'm the champ, you're not, why are you my leader?" feud with Triple H. I believe keeping the belt on Benoit is the best option at this point (have Jericho finally get his title shot for Summerslam). Triple H winning the title, while not disastrous, would be in my opinion a fairly counter-productive move. To build this champion strongly I don't think they should have him drop it just yet, nor in a fairly low-profile match such as this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Yeah this PPV doesn't really scream out "title change" type PPV. Not sure why really, maybe it's the lack of decent hype for it. There's really no urgent need to put the title on HHH again. Jericho would be a nice option but in some ways isn't feasible. He just jobbed to Orton in an IC title match, so how is he going to get a world title shot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SpiderFan Report post Posted July 10, 2004 If Benoit stays a main event player, and a credible challenger, I wouldn't mind it so much. If Benoit gets shunted back down to midcard hell for the rest of his career, I'll mind it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dazed Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Jericho would be a nice option but in some ways isn't feasible. He just jobbed to Orton in an IC title match, so how is he going to get a world title shot? That never matters. I don't see what having HHH as champion would acomplish. He's already the #1 heel, and the focus of all the shows as it is, although that seems to have toned down somewhat since the end of the HBK feud. We've seen the "plucky face guns for the title, only to be beaten by the monster heel" going into every PPV for 18 months, and Benoit needs a strong reign to show that felling the monster was not a fluke. He may be champion, but he's not beaten HHH one on one, and he needs to do that to finally prove himself as #1. HHH has nothing to prove, nothing to accomplish, so just keep him away from the belt. And HHH / Jericho is far more likely than Benoit / Jericho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Smart booking would milk Benoit/HHH into the fall before Triple H wins the title, but that's just me and I don't write for RAW/SD/any wrestling promotion. And why do people have to start speculation topics? On the main page you don't see the sub-header, so it looks like it's actually news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bigm350 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Smart booking would milk Benoit/HHH into the fall before Triple H wins the title, but that's just me and I don't write for RAW/SD/any wrestling promotion. And why do people have to start speculation topics? On the main page you don't see the sub-header, so it looks like it's actually news. My bad. Anyway, I think it'll be a good match. The first HHH-Benoit one on one match since, what, No Mercy 2000? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest darkquack Report post Posted July 10, 2004 benoit needs the title. triple h doesnt. i would have benoit win this one maybe even have him win because of eugene. then have him rematch triple h in a falls count anywhere and have hunter win the title. would make people buy more ppvs. then hunter can fight edge and benoit and eugene can be tag team champs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 How to make Benoit look like a moron reason #45447 - Have him get his ass saved by a retard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dazed Report post Posted July 10, 2004 And why do people have to start speculation topics? On the main page you don't see the sub-header, so it looks like it's actually news. There's no problem with speculation topics at all. The title of this could have been worded slightly better, but the subtitle is usually enough. If it was a "news" thread, then it would be giving spoilers away, and that's obviously a no-no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bigm350 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 God I hope Eugene isn't a factor in this match. Especially if he helps Benoit win, like Curry said it would make Benoit look like an idiot. But that's probably what will happen if Benoit wins; Eugene will accidently screw over Trips and Benoit will capitalize on it for the victory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 It's not that HHH winning would be the end of the world, it's just that HHH with the belt would put us back into the same holding pattern we've been in four at least two years. I say give the win to Benoit. Clean. No Eugene interference. And establish with certainty that HHH couldn't crack Benoit. Then give Benoit a program with someone else while they build up a new heel. HHH can go play with Evolution for awhile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Benoit's low-level intelligence has been put on display mutiple times by WWE so I'm not sure we should say he'd be an idiot, rather, he'd be more of an idiot then he's already portryed as. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bigm350 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 It's not that HHH winning would be the end of the world, it's just that HHH with the belt would put us back into the same holding pattern we've been in four at least two years. I say give the win to Benoit. Clean. No Eugene interference. And establish with certainty that HHH couldn't crack Benoit. Then give Benoit a program with someone else while they build up a new heel. HHH can go play with Evolution for awhile. I agree. Have HHH feud with Orton over the leadership of Evolution or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dumb Fuck Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Does it really matter? HHH is the main focus of Raw, champion or not. And he's constantly referred to as the best wrestler in WWE, champion or not. I'd love to see others have their time in the sun, but it's just not happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest darkquack Report post Posted July 10, 2004 How to make Benoit look like a moron reason #45447 - Have him get his ass saved by a retard do you follow me around making negative comments on my posts? if so thanks i need the attention. benoit winning with eugenes help would get a huge crowd boost. you would mark out and so would i Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 10, 2004 When Triple H wins back the title I will probably not watch or watch on rare occasions. The shows always take a nose dive when Triple H gets the belt as the belt is immediately devalued as we go back to the ego-stroke title. I was bored with Triple H's reigns during the Katie Vick stuff and two years later he's still going to have the title. His title defenses are never good without a gimmick and he hogs the shows. That's just my opinion though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bigm350 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Does it really matter? HHH is the main focus of Raw, champion or not. And he's constantly referred to as the best wrestler in WWE, champion or not. I'd love to see others have their time in the sun, but it's just not happening. Unless HHH does something stupid that's how its always going to be. But still, I think Benoit deserves to go off and feud with someone else over the belt. HHH is always around the damn thing, whether being champ or the top contender, it does get tiring. Yeah, its wishful thinking to think that Benoit is on par with HHH in most mark's eyes but it could do wonders for the product to have HHH having a feud not involving the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Personally, I dont see any reason for Triple H to win the title this sunday mainly for 5 reasons 1). He doesn't Need it right now. -He is still the #1 Heel and He'll always have heat. 2). Chris Benoit needs this match to prove he isn't a fluke, winning two Three Ways and beating Kane twice doesn't equal Great Reign, he couldn't beat Shawn one on on clean. He needs to have a high profile win. 3). Why Now? Triple H Knows he'll get the title sooner enough, why not milk a series of great matches with Chris Benoit and further estalbish his legancy. 4). The Movie. He will have to leave to shoot the movie and he'll just have to drop the title right back to Benoit or edge or someone, why give yourself a short reign (Which, interestingly enough, he hasn't had a real long reign other then One, the rest hover 1-4 months) 1st- Night After SummerSlam Loses it to Vince McMahon on Smackdown (about a month) 2nd-Wins over 5 other workers at Unforgiven-Loses to TBS at Survivor Series (1 1/2 Months) 3rd- First Raw of 2000 over TBS loses at Backlash to the Rock (4 Months) 4th-Wins Iron Man Match over The Rock at Judgment Day Loses (thanks to Vince) to The Rock at KOTR (one month) 5th-Beats Jericho at WMX8 and Loses it to Hulk Hogan at Backlash (One Month) 6th-Beats Ric Flair to claim the Newly Created WORLD TITLE on raw in early September. loses it to HBK at Survivor Series in ELIMINATION CHAMBER. (2 1/2 Months) 7th- Beats HBK at Armageddon and Loses it to Goldberg at Unforgiven (9 Months) 8th-Beats Goldberg at Survivor Series and Loses to Chris Benoit at WMXX in triple threat match also including HBK (5 1/2 months) So...Why would he want to add another month long reign? Sure, it'll get him to Flair quicker but he can do that later. 5). The Show is still about him. The title being on him changes nothing....with or without the title, HHH is still the MAN. Without the Title, Benoit is nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 I guess it comes down to what will happen at SummerSlam. I know some on the net feel Benoit will retain this sunday and then have a rematch with Trips at Slam where he will drop the belt. Personally, I don't see the point in that. It will be way too obvious Benoit will job at SummerSlam. I wouldn't be surprised to see Benoit lose because of Eugene actually and then we get Trips/Edge at SummerSlam. I agree about stretching things out where Benoit retains until at least the fall season. Anything else, this "main event" push of Benoit would be a big waste of time as he would just get shunted back to his old position of a good hand in the upper card/main event scene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bigm350 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Personally, I dont see any reason for Triple H to win the title this sunday mainly for 5 reasons 1). He doesn't Need it right now. -He is still the #1 Heel and He'll always have heat. 2). Chris Benoit needs this match to prove he isn't a fluke, winning two Three Ways and beating Kane twice doesn't equal Great Reign, he couldn't beat Shawn one on on clean. He needs to have a high profile win. 3). Why Now? Triple H Knows he'll get the title sooner enough, why not milk a series of great matches with Chris Benoit and further estalbish his legancy. 4). The Movie. He will have to leave to shoot the movie and he'll just have to drop the title right back to Benoit or edge or someone, why give yourself a short reign (Which, interestingly enough, he hasn't had a real long reign other then One, the rest hover 1-4 months) 1st- Night After SummerSlam Loses it to Vince McMahon on Smackdown (about a month) 2nd-Wins over 5 other workers at Unforgiven-Loses to TBS at Survivor Series (1 1/2 Months) 3rd- First Raw of 2000 over TBS loses at Backlash to the Rock (4 Months) 4th-Wins Iron Man Match over The Rock at Judgment Day Loses (thanks to Vince) to The Rock at KOTR (one month) 5th-Beats Jericho at WMX8 and Loses it to Hulk Hogan at Backlash (One Month) 6th-Beats Ric Flair to claim the Newly Created WORLD TITLE on raw in early September. loses it to HBK at Survivor Series in ELIMINATION CHAMBER. (2 1/2 Months) 7th- Beats HBK at Armageddon and Loses it to Goldberg at Unforgiven (9 Months) 8th-Beats Goldberg at Survivor Series and Loses to Chris Benoit at WMXX in triple threat match also including HBK (5 1/2 months) So...Why would he want to add another month long reign? Sure, it'll get him to Flair quicker but he can do that later. 5). The Show is still about him. The title being on him changes nothing....with or without the title, HHH is still the MAN. Without the Title, Benoit is nothing. 8th-Beats Goldberg at Survivor Series and Loses to Chris Benoit at WMXX in triple threat match also including HBK (5 1/2 months) Actually he beat Goldberg at Armageddon in the 3 way with Goldberg and Kane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 10, 2004 so make that a 4 1/2 month reign. Seriously I love how people make it sound like he owns the thing and yet, like his idol, jobs the title left and right. I wonder how long Flair's Longest reign was of the 16/17/22(depending on who you believe) he had was... *after looking it up...He had 2 12 Month reigns from 11/87 to 2/89 and 5/89 to 7/90/. He also had a 7 month run in 93/94 as well. The rest were around 3 months at the most. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bigm350 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 so make that a 4 1/2 month reign. Seriously I love how people make it sound like he owns the thing and yet, like his idol, jobs the title left and right. I wonder how long Flair's Longest reign was of the 16/17/22(depending on who you believe) he had was... *after looking it up...He had 2 12 Month reigns from 11/87 to 2/89 and 5/89 to 7/90/. He also had a 7 month run in 93/94 as well. The rest were around 3 months at the most. Yeah, you do make a good point Choken. Maybe we were all blinded by that 9 month reign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 10, 2004 Title reigns in the 80s and now can't be compared. A year long reign was about what a 3-4 month reign is now. The reason a lot of people complained about the 9 month Triple H reign is that length of a run is unheard of in the post attitude era for the WWF. Also when you get to the big gold belt Benoit is the first guy to actually get away from Triple H for any length of time. HBK and Goldberg had to keep facing Triple H until he finally won it back. Hell, the whole Goldberg reign was more about when Triple H was going to get the belt back than Goldberg actually being the champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4hartthreat 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 I think Benoit will retain on Sunday. As most have already said, he NEEDS this one on one win against HHH. Then we come to SummerSlam. Most also think there is a rematch here and HHH will take the title from Benoit here instead. I just don't think that makes sense. We would have just had this match at a smaller ppv, so putting it as the "money" match here just wouldn't work for me. I think they set up H-Edge on this past Raw and I think they go with that. Benoit should defend against Jericho and if not him, Orton. Then for the Halloween Havoc ppv in October, Benoit should get his one on one win against HBK that he also needs. That sets up perfectly for H to regain the title at Survivor Series possibly in a 2 out of 3 falls match. I think this scenario is much better than the rematch at Slam one as it gives Benoit the few more wins he really needs to truly prove that he is "for real," and H gets his title back at a big ppv, just one a little later than slam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 I'd prefer seeing Triple H win on Sunday with Eugene's help, and then Eugene finally turning on Triple H at Vengeance, giving Benoit back the belt. Because if Benoit wins Sunday, there's no way he's retaining when I go to SummerSlam. Really, though, what's the difference between Triple H with the belt and Triple H without the belt? I haven't seen any difference since WrestleMania. He's still been the most focused-upon wrestler, getting WAY more attention than Benoit. Benoit retaining/winning back the title won't change anything unless Benoit is given a credible opponent not named Hunter (and that's REALLY hard to do). I, for one, just want to see Benoit win back the title at SummerSlam because Benoit happens to be my favourite wrestler, and I'd like to see him win the match in person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2004 It does not matter who wins Sunday because the contenders for the title are nonexistent. Outside of Benoit and HHH who else "deserves" a title shot? I can't think of anybody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 10, 2004 I always subcribed to the theory that all Former Champions are deserving of another shot. Jericho has won three straight PPV matches(Backlash, Blood and Likely tom. Night) and a couple other high profile matches like the X Cage Match. You can easily consider him a deserving contender. Benjamin, he has beaten the #1 contender twice. In the eyes of some, you'd think he would be considered a contender... If the right sell and push, anyone is "deserving" of a shot, hell who knows...perhaps by December Chuck Palumbo will be the #1 contender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
