So lemme get this straight

[Guest Ray]

WHAT?!? Why would people complain if there were alot of clean pins?

Probably. I'm sure they'd find something to complain about.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

WHAT?!? Why would people complain if there were alot of clean pins?

Because smarks would be happy?

[Dangerous K89 0]

HHH always proclaiming himself to be the best, to be the Game, etc, is part of his gimmick, even after a big loss. This worked perfectly on the Raw after Benoit won the title at Wrestlemania. He came out there and still proclaimed himself to be the best, but the whole segment was portraying him as an illusional heel who is in denial that he lost and is going in a downward spiral due to it (With Benoit beating him up after that promo and him losing to Shelton shortly there after). He was spouting off the opposite of what everybody else knew for a fact (That he lost) and it made him look pathetic. The growth of his beard back could have also been a subtle detail that he is paranoid and going off the deep end.

 

HHH's character isn't one that will shake hands after a loss, but in a great match. He is a textbook heel. And, while I don't agree with what he did to all of his challengers in 2002-2003, he was an excellent heel. Boring, but excellent. Why?

 

Tell me. Is there one fucking heel in the past 5 years that you HATED and wanted to lose the title so badly? There's so many top heels that are bad guys, they get booed, etc, but you don't dislike them. You like to boo them because they rule. Even though Angle was a heel with the championship and a stable, there was still a lot of Angle fans and nobody was really just DESPERATLY WANTING BROCK TO BEAT HIS ASS AND WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

 

The objective of a heel is to make the fans hate you and buy tickets to see their hero beat you. HHH is that. Benoit's win at WM wouldn't have been as big as it was if it wasn't for HHH, and there isn't a heel in the whole company that could have made it that special as HHH, being the one to tap out clean, did.

[UZI Suicide 0]

Fantastic post Dangerous, simply fantastic. Triple H is one of the best heels to come along in quite a while.

[Dark Age 0]

Ahh, the old 'it'll mean more when he finally loses' argument.

 

That's all well and good, but when Benoit won the belt, we'd been waiting for nearly TWO YEARS!

 

I'm not doubting Triple H is a great heel. I have no problem seeing him in the upper mid card/main event scene, but WHY does he need the title? He doesn't. There's nothing to be gained from it. Trips is over enough, he's established and he's a big enough name. He shouldn't need to dominate the title scene.

 

Tell me, you say how great it was when he finally lost to Benoit. Yeah, okay. But it means nothing if he's getting the belt back a few months later, which he likely is. Again, it's just amother guy who Triple H has beaten, shut up and shown they aren't in his league. He NEEDS to lose to Benoit at Slam so that we have closure at 3-0 to Benoit. It would put Benoit over the top as a monster face who has destroyed Triple H, it would get H away from the title, and it would mean you have TWO big names on Raw who are credible (Benoit and Triple H).

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Ahh, the old 'it'll mean more when he finally loses' argument.

 

That's all well and good, but when Benoit won the belt, we'd been waiting for nearly TWO YEARS!

 

I'm not doubting Triple H is a great heel. I have no problem seeing him in the upper mid card/main event scene, but WHY does he need the title? He doesn't. There's nothing to be gained from it. Trips is over enough, he's established and he's a big enough name. He shouldn't need to dominate the title scene.

 

Tell me, you say how great it was when he finally lost to Benoit. Yeah, okay. But it means nothing if he's getting the belt back a few months later, which he likely is. Again, it's just amother guy who Triple H has beaten, shut up and shown they aren't in his league. He NEEDS to lose to Benoit at Slam so that we have closure at 3-0 to Benoit. It would put Benoit over the top as a monster face who has destroyed Triple H, it would get H away from the title, and it would mean you have TWO big names on Raw who are credible (Benoit and Triple H).

This whole year is being built to him getting beat at mania by Orton.

 

He should be pretty dominant from now till then. He's basically been on a losing streak since before WM (Exclusing the BB HIAC), he HAS been doing jobs. Now it's time to build towards the big one at Mania.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Has HHH been doing jobs? Absolutely.

 

Have any of them meant anything? Not in the least.

[Dark Age 0]

Ahh, the old 'it'll mean more when he finally loses' argument.

 

That's all well and good, but when Benoit won the belt, we'd been waiting for nearly TWO YEARS!

 

I'm not doubting Triple H is a great heel. I have no problem seeing him in the upper mid card/main event scene, but WHY does he need the title? He doesn't. There's nothing to be gained from it. Trips is over enough, he's established and he's a big enough name. He shouldn't need to dominate the title scene.

 

Tell me, you say how great it was when he finally lost to Benoit. Yeah, okay. But it means nothing if he's getting the belt back a few months later, which he likely is. Again, it's just amother guy who Triple H has beaten, shut up and shown they aren't in his league. He NEEDS to lose to Benoit at Slam so that we have closure at 3-0 to Benoit. It would put Benoit over the top as a monster face who has destroyed Triple H, it would get H away from the title, and it would mean you have TWO big names on Raw who are credible (Benoit and Triple H).

This whole year is being built to him getting beat at mania by Orton.

 

He should be pretty dominant from now till then. He's basically been on a losing streak since before WM (Exclusing the BB HIAC), he HAS been doing jobs. Now it's time to build towards the big one at Mania.

Wow, THREE defeats!!! What a losing streak! Two have been by roll up. Just saying.

 

Orton/Triple H at Mania? HOLD ME BACK! I can't wait for that one. So what they should do now is job everyone to Triple H again? GREAT IDEA. And Triple H wins ANOTHER big feud? Outstanding. And the big pay off is Triple H losing to Orton at Mania? But guess what, he'll get that win back and win the feud a couple of months later.

 

Face it. NO ONE DEFEATS TRIPLE H. Why can't Benoit keep the belt till Mania, then job it to Orton (ugh)? At least it would be better than Yet Another Triple H Title Win wouldn't it? Is the world craving Triple H vs Orton? You're letting your love of Triple H get in the way of the fact that Triple H getting the title back is not good for business.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Before Benoit got the belt - actually, before the Royal Rumble itself - I complained that him on RAW would be horrible because he'd look bad because of HHH. I said he'd lose the "title" and end up worse-off than he was going into it.

 

I

 

Was

 

Wrong

 

There. Whew. I said it. Man, that's a lot of weight off my shoulders.

 

He doesn't look bad.

 

He looks irrelevant.

 

Which, as champion, is horrible.

[Guest Coffey]

Wow, THREE defeats!!!

You know, I don't know how many matches Triple H has actually lost, but two to Benjamin and two to Benoit is already more than three.

[Guest Trivia247]

you then get the problem with HHH is that he is over enough yes... But he demands the main event spot. He Main events a PPV with HBK over Benoit defending his World championship (Something rather Hoganish circa Wm8) After losing the title at WM the first Raw's closing moments you see a Evolution beatdown on the Champion. He must always be not only in the Title hunt he must always be in the Strongest position in any feud and in any segment. a World Champion Yielding to this for the sake of the business is really self sacrificing. And its pretty crappy. Its hard to claim Benoit's Overness as Champion if he can't even have the opportunity to claim a Main event match WITHOUT any Kliq member or buddy of HHH to take on.

 

HHH has had World championship runs which were great as an Heel. But some he had were just self serving Louzyness. Has HHH improved? yes, has he been losing matches lately yes But that doesn't mean you reward short period of good behavior to a wrestler who as champion made everyone look like utter shit after they faced them and was sent packing to the low mid cards.

 

Instead of going back to same ol Hogan like Formuli of HHH always recycled into the world championship run, how about developing and redeveloping other Main eventers for Benoit to fight.

[AndrewTS 0]

Orton vs. HHH at Mania...?

 

I don't think I could bear either one of them as a face. I somewhat like Trips now and don't mind Orton, but HHH as a face sounds painful, and Orton as a face would be more horribly bland than he ever was as a heel. Even if Orton is over he just doesn't possess that "Rock" like charisma WWE was convinced he had.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

I'm not feeling HHH/Orton in any permutation of heel/face dynamic.

[iggymcfly 0]

HHH as a face would work great...

 

if he takes three or four months off to make his movie, and makes everyone want to see him again. Also, the dynamic with Orton will work well, because Randy will be used to leading the group, and won't want to step down for HHH. However, if he just keeps building up more and more heel heat by destroying Eugene, ending Benoit's reign, etc., it will be tough to get the Orton/HHH match over as WM ME-caliber. Orton would have to get over Rocky-style as a face, and I just don't see it happening.

[AndrewTS 0]

Obviously, given the choice between the two, HHH as a face would be the most desirable. Orton as a face this early would be a disaster.

 

HHH as a face though--"welcome back" pops aside, how do you get that to work? You'd have to find a way to get sympathy for him, and frankly he's been a monster heel so long that it is hard to do that.

 

Should Flair stick with HHH? It certainly would help if they want to make HHH heel, because Flair just wouldn't fit in with Batista, Orton, and perhaps 1-2 others. Especially if you consider how...uh..."dedicated" Flair's character seems to Trips.

 

Between Batista and Orton, they certainly have strong enough promo skills to carry them through the feud if they keep the rivalry strong.

[Angle-plex 0]

The only was I could buy Triple H as a face would be in Orton and Batista turn on Flair while he is making his movie, and then he comes back for "revenge". Benoit/Orton sounds much better to me though, and I'm not even that much of a Benoit mark.

[Dark Age 0]

HHH as a face would work great...

 

if he takes three or four months off to make his movie, and makes everyone want to see him again. Also, the dynamic with Orton will work well, because Randy will be used to leading the group, and won't want to step down for HHH. However, if he just keeps building up more and more heel heat by destroying Eugene, ending Benoit's reign, etc., it will be tough to get the Orton/HHH match over as WM ME-caliber. Orton would have to get over Rocky-style as a face, and I just don't see it happening.

They did that last time and it bombed. Triple H was the most boring, bland and annoying main event face in some time. He can only work heel (when in the main event scene).

 

You know, I don't know how many matches Triple H has actually lost, but two to Benjamin and two to Benoit is already more than three.

 

Well I guess that's technically correct. But one defeat was by count out, so I didn't include it. But if you want to consider it as a 'real' defeat, then fine. He lost FOUR matches.

[Guest GreatOne]

you then get the problem with HHH is that he is over enough yes... But he demands the main event spot. He Main events a PPV with HBK over Benoit defending his World championship (Something rather Hoganish circa Wm8) After losing the title at WM the first Raw's closing moments you see a Evolution beatdown on the Champion. He must always be not only in the Title hunt he must always be in the Strongest position in any feud and in any segment. a World Champion Yielding to this for the sake of the business is really self sacrificing. And its pretty crappy. Its hard to claim Benoit's Overness as Champion if he can't even have the opportunity to claim a Main event match WITHOUT any Kliq member or buddy of HHH to take on.

 

HHH has had World championship runs which were great as an Heel. But some he had were just self serving Louzyness. Has HHH improved? yes, has he been losing matches lately yes But that doesn't mean you reward short period of good behavior to a wrestler who as champion made everyone look like utter shit after they faced them and was sent packing to the low mid cards.

 

Instead of going back to same ol Hogan like Formuli of HHH always recycled into the world championship run, how about developing and redeveloping other Main eventers for Benoit to fight.

1)the only time there was any Evolution beatdown in that month was the 4-on-3 after they beat down Benjamin on the 4/5 RAW.

 

2)Kane's so damaged at this point that headlining a PPV him vs. Benoit would be the equivalent of Austin against Goldust after WM14. And Benoit/Kane wasn't exactly Flair/Savage in stature.

 

3)That match DID headline RAW with no HHH involvement.

 

HHH is one guy. Blame the bookers, Vince McMahon, whoever--hell Linda even, why HHH is the ONLY legit guy to feud with--the Unamazing Rando doesn't count since he's been steadily falling back into suckdom for about a month.

[NoCalMike 0]

I am just so hoping that the Triple H/Orton proposed title match scheduled for WMXXI gets nixed, however with Orton losing the I-C title, I see the build coming.

[Dark Age 0]

HHH is one guy. Blame the bookers, Vince McMahon, whoever--hell Linda even, why HHH is the ONLY legit guy to feud with--the Unamazing Rando doesn't count since he's been steadily falling back into suckdom for about a month.

That's because Triple H has beaten everyone. It's because Evolution are the only heels who are pushed. Seriously, would a Jericho/Benoit feud be THAT hard to do? Would it cause people to turn off the channel? Would it make the buyrates any worse than they are now? No, it wouldn't. So what's stopping them from doing it? I mean, if Triple H was having 6.0 segments on Raw, bringing in 500,000 buys for a ppv, making stars left and right, and having **** matches every month, then he SHOULD be the number one guy. But he isn't doing any of that stuff. Using Jericho or Edge, or establishing Christian, Kane or Batista wouldn't exactly kill the company. It would do just as well as anything that can be done with Triple H. So do it.