Guest GreatOne Report post Posted July 12, 2004 So it's not enough that Chris Benoit finally goes over Captain Trips for the first time in their three solo matches apparently. Wasn't clean enough, uh when was the last non-gimmick (cage, six-pack, HIAC, street fight, etc) match that headlined a PPV have a finish that involved absolutely no interference whatsoever and was straight 1-on-1? Makes HHH look strong and Benoit look like a chump? Yeah this'd be the same Benoit who came back from "death" at Mania, dumped Michaels out on his ass and made Trips tap, then did the same all over again (reverse roles) the next month. Lost to a rollup, so I guess by this same logic Jericho was protected in the Winnipeg match. Wasn't there a two-page thread whining about matches ALWAYS ending in submission holds and making the other guy look weak just a few months back? Benoit is not Rock or Austin, a guy that's gonna get 45 mins on RAW and six different segements. Contrary to popular belief, he's just fine. I'd believe all the "burial" shit if at Mania HHH and Michaels had done the Rumble finish and Benoit just simply pinned one of them. Hell you can make an argument that Trips, storyline speaking of course, fucked himself over by bringing in Eugene in the first place, and, yes, losing to a roll-up. One last thing, even if Benoit is being "bitched out" here, it ain't like this has never happened before. Rock, HHH, Brock all looked like chumps in their early title runs. At some point the actual performer's going to have to rise to the challenge, so to speak. You can't always use the shitty booking excuse because that's what it is, an excuse. "He lost to a rollup? That's weak!"--Brian Pillman, Shotgun 5/97 after Vader lost on a rollup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
algrim 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 It was agood match, overall. The biggest surprise to me was that Benoit pinned HHH cleanly. I knew Benoit would retain and was expecting a DQ finish. Kudos to HHH and Benoit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Let me sum it up for you since you are new: We're the Internet and we're never happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Let me sum it up for: We're the Internet and we're never happy. You ain't just whistling dixie....although I'm kinda happy, except for 1 or 2 minor things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Let me sum it up for you since you are new: We're the Internet and we're never happy. I've been patrolling these boards since Rantsylvania, I could tell that........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Yay! Smark bashing! get over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 theres definately been a number growing as of later who actually would want to see HHH as champion again.... makes me wanna go....Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Yay! Smark bashing! get over it. Actually that wasn't my intent but if you wanna consider it that I guess I can't help you.................. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 No one is angry that Benoit is winning, but the problem is, and it is the biggest issue out of the entire feud, is that whenever Benoit wins, Triple H makes it a point the next night to sweep it under the rug and declare that he is still the God, the Game, the greatest etc......He never shows any damn humility after a loss. Add to that, the fact that Triple H is getting the title back to end the this fued at Summerslam, and I am sure Jim Ross/Lawler and Triple H will do their best to make sure the other 3 matches didn't really matter anyway. I mean seriously were you listening tonight to Jim Ross, "If Benoit is considered #1, then you have to consider Triple H 1A" I mean WTF, is it THAT BAD to be called #2, or just simply #1 contender, or "right under him" "1A" get the fuck out of here with that noise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sturgis Report post Posted July 12, 2004 theres definately been a number growing as of later who actually would want to see HHH as champion again.... makes me wanna go....Why? So smarks can stop bitching about tedious little things and start bitching about all over again. SummerSlam 2004: Where It All Really Begins Again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scroby 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Not everyone here is a happy person, beleave me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 SMARKS R GAY CUZ THEY DON'T LIKE CRAP. THOSE FAGS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted July 12, 2004 theres definately been a number growing as of later who actually would want to see HHH as champion again.... ...I'm one of 'em. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 12, 2004 I think the complaint is that Benoit wins and is then a complete afterthought. Everything now is "Eugene cost Triple H the title" not "Benoit beat Triple H". Tomorrow night you'll hear King go on and on about how lucky Benoit was to win and you'll hear JR talk nonstop about how Eugene cost Triple H the title. What does Benoit gain from that? What does it say about your champion that he needs a retard to help him beat his challenger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scroby 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 here's the main issue with this board, most people think that a clean win over someone should happen very often. But in WWE it doesn't happen that way, thats just the way it is, So people get pist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted July 12, 2004 SMARKS R GAY CUZ THEY DON'T LIKE CRAP. THOSE FAGS. This is the truest thing you've ever said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papacita 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 I think the complaint is that Benoit wins and is then a complete afterthought. Everything now is "Eugene cost Triple H the title" not "Benoit beat Triple H". Tomorrow night you'll hear King go on and on about how lucky Benoit was to win and you'll hear JR talk nonstop about how Eugene cost Triple H the title. What does Benoit gain from that? What does it say about your champion that he needs a retard to help him beat his challenger? While I didn't care for the ending, Benoit still came out looking fairly strong, and you got the sense that he didn't need Eugene to win. He even made HHH tap after the ref bump. I agree that Benoit comes off looking like an afterthought, but it seemed more like HHH was the one who *needed* the retard to win, not Benoit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 All it would have taken really, for me to be happy was for Benoit to have beaten Triple H in the fashion he did, and then to have gone on to other things as Champ for at least 8-10 months in feuds that had NOTHING TO DO with Triple H. Then have Triple H slowly work his way back up by hook n crook. However, Triple has kept himself right there as the focal point of the show and always a bad plan away from regaining the title. It is just tiresome, because when he finally does get it back, it leaves the bad taste in your mouth that he never really lost it in the first place. Until Triple H is truly eliminated as the weekly focal point, I don't think anyone will be happy, including me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Well I just watched the match. Benoit winning with a roll up makes perfect sense when you consider (1) Benoit has taken a lot of damage in the match and needs to win any way he can, (2) The threat from Evolution is still hovering around, (3) Benoit is known to be a smart wrestler, therefore he'd know these things and know that the match has turned into chaos and he needs to get out of the mess. I don't see why people are saying HHH made Benoit look bad, when Benoit made HHH tap in this match, kicked out of a pedigree, thwarted Evolution's run-in, prevented Eugene from helping HHH, got revenge for HHH's low-blow with his own, AND won the match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Ultimate Fantasy Report post Posted July 12, 2004 I just thought of something, they so need to have a wrestler who's finisher is a roll-up, that would be so awesome "BAH GOD KANE JUST KILLED MATT HARDY WITH A ROLL UP!!!!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papacita 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 What's with all the hate for roll-ups I've been seeing around here lately? I don't see why they're a bad thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Benoit can defeat HHH as many times as he wants and it won't make a difference if HHH continues to be higher on the card. When the announcers shut up about him and he takes a back seat to everyone who deserves to be higher on the card than him and his storylines get less TV time, AND he goes back and fixes all the careers he's killed, then I'll be willing to give him some credit. It's not about who wins and who loses. It's about how those wins and losses are presented in the long run. And Benoit is still very much below HHH in the pecking order. HHH is to WWE what the NWO was to WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Askewniverse Report post Posted July 12, 2004 No one is angry that Benoit is winning, but the problem is, and it is the biggest issue out of the entire feud, is that whenever Benoit wins, Triple H makes it a point the next night to sweep it under the rug and declare that he is still the God, the Game, the greatest etc......He never shows any damn humility after a loss. How many heels show humility after a loss? Making excuses for a loss, not showing humility, declaring himself to the best, etc. are common things for a heel to do. Do you really expect HHH (or any other top-level heel) to come out after a loss and say something like "Chris Benoit beat me and I have no excuses. He made me tap out. He's better than me. That Crossface really hurts. I mean, it's really, really painful...I think my arm's going to fall off. Since Benoit beat me, I don't deserve a rematch. In fact, I don't want a rematch. I don't want to be caught in the Crippler Crossface again. Did I mention that move really hurts? Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get some aspirin for the pain." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 HHH is to WWE what the NWO was to WCW. AMEN. Putting over someone in a match is only half the battle. How promos are handed afterward are just as important. If tonight HHH cuts a promo where he is out of his mind with rage and frustration at his inability to beat Benoit, that does just as much to legitimize Benoit as letting him get the pin. Maybe even more. If he stands there smugly, not mad at the loss and acting like its only a matter of time before he gets the belt back, it gives Benoit no credibility. That being said, Benoit could be handled much worse. HHH made Nash look like a total bitch when he challenged for the title. Not that he didn't deserve it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted July 12, 2004 No, but if he wants to emulate Flair, he should really emulate Flair, who would typically say good things about the talent of his opponent before transitioning into a portion of the promo where he put himself over. He should stop calling Benoit lucky and start calling him "great", but then mention that Benoit's greatness has inspired him to up his game even more too, and that at Summerslam, he better be at his best because if he's not, he'll end up just like everyone else to ever face HHH. It's not that hard to understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 No one is angry that Benoit is winning, but the problem is, and it is the biggest issue out of the entire feud, is that whenever Benoit wins, Triple H makes it a point the next night to sweep it under the rug and declare that he is still the God, the Game, the greatest etc......He never shows any damn humility after a loss. How many heels show humility after a loss? Making excuses for a loss, not showing humility, declaring himself to the best, etc. are common things for a heel to do. Do you really expect HHH (or any other top-level heel) to come out after a loss and say something like "Chris Benoit beat me and I have no excuses. He made me tap out. He's better than me. That Crossface really hurts. I mean, it's really, really painful...I think my arm's going to fall off. Since Benoit beat me, I don't deserve a rematch. In fact, I don't want a rematch. I don't want to be caught in the Crippler Crossface again. Did I mention that move really hurts? Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get some aspirin for the pain." Of course not, but you are just being silly about it. How about after a big LOSS by Triiple H, he doesn't come out FIRST SEGMENT on RAW, to talk about how he is still the guy to beat, the wrestling god, the best wwe champion ever, start naming off people he has eliminated. How about maybe he waits till segment two or three, or for once he just doesn't come out at all for a show. How about some frustration shown by HHH that Benoit keeps beating him. Triple H so far has shaken off both jobs by Benoit as mere road bumps in the way of him regaining the title, when in any OTHER SCENARIO, after 3 consecutive jobs in this feud, the feud should be over and Benoit SHOULD be moving on to other things, not facing Triple H AGAIN at Summerslam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Loss makes a good point too. There are ways for a heel to make an opponent seem great in a promo, while still acting heelish. I remember once Lawler was mouthing off about something, possibly Calgary, and then JR brought up Bret Hart and the Kiss my Foot matches. Lawler said sourly, "Shut up." That's a good way for a heel to be a dick, and yet still get over the fact that someone got his number. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted July 12, 2004 he's the bad guy. He's not going to admit that Benoit is better than him or that he's a real threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted July 12, 2004 Then he's never going to be anything like Ric Flair, who made a habit of doing that. HHH doing an interview congratulating Benoit, telling him that he's one of a select few to hold a victory over HHH, wouldn't be out of line, followed by him saying that it stops there. The good fortune, the victories, the world title ... Benoit is about to lose everything that's important to him because HHH is more determined than ever. Basically, "I'll hand it to you Benoit, you're the closest thing I've had to an equal, but at Summerslam, I'll prove that close means nothing in this business, and I will reclaim what's rightfully mine." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted July 12, 2004 He isn't Ric Flair and he never will be. Just because he emulates some attributes of Flair doesn't mean that he will or should emulate them all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
