GreatWhiteNope 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2006 LucharesuFan619 - have you picked up the new 2-disc "After The Fall" XPW documentary that's available now? http://www.amazon.com/XPW-After-Fall-Xpw/dp/B000HXDEN0 If so, what are your thoughts on the set? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timmy8271 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2006 Are Rob Black and Lizzy still together? And don't be surprised about Jasmin not being in this. She's really weird these days. And Johnny Webb is now involved in the MTV wrestling project. Too bad you couldn't get his manager, Jessica Darlin on this. She's probably at some Klan meeting or something in florida. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack Malibu 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2006 I also figured I'd stop by the thread to ask about the details of the After The Fall DVD set. I have it on order for work via Big Vision, and was surprised that a new DVD set would be out so long after XPW faded from the mainstream. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2006 A lot of people are asking about the new Rise and Fall DVD. It's actually not a documentary. It's a compilation based on the ECW wrestlers who worked for XPW. It will feature the XPW debuts and the first one or two matches in XPW of pretty much every ECW wrestler who worked for Rob Black. It will include the up until now unreleased Sandman vs. Vic Grimes match, including the leadup where Sandman makes his shocking debut (which NOBODY knew was coming). I e-mailed Jessica Darlin and didn't hear back from her. Somebody told me she had cancer although that was about a year and a half ago and I have no idea if they're right. Her web site - JessicaDarlinXXX.com - is no longer up. On it, she used to write commentaries that became kinda controversial in their own right. She was very active in the debate about interracial scenes in porn and should they be done and should they not be done. I forget which side of the barrel she was on, but she was very strong-willed about her opinion and I remember a lot of people would take notice with her commentaries. For those unaware, she is married to Luis Cypher of XPW fame. I don't want to give anything away but there is a lot of Jessica gossip/sleazy stories which will be apart of "XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job." Rob and Lizzy are indeed still together. Less than a month ago, Extreme moved out of Chatsworth and relocated to the San Fernando Valley, which is the the haven for porn. Lizzy says that it's got two floors and the second floor is the offices, while the first floor is an actual store that people can just walk into and buy porn, which if that's accurate is one of the first of its kind. Sure there are tons of adult video stores, but few where the company that makes the videos' offices are located right above the store. Lizzy is modeling for clothing companies Rock Confidential (.com), Evil Threads (.com), Crash Music (not sure of the web site), among some others that I'm forgetting, too. She's also very active with the Save the Seals campaign (Savetheseals.org, I think), and recently made her return to adult film acting by doing an all-lesbian movie with Gina Lynn. I was told about Webb's involvement in WSX recently. I don't think Webb likes me much but I am still happy for him. He's one of MANY XPW wrestlers, employees, and wrestlers who are involved in the company. Rob Black did an in-depth interview within the last few months where for the first time in a very long time he talks about XPW. Go to rogreviews.com's Interviews section if you want to read it (18+ only). Also keep your eye out for the new Extreme Associates/Rob Black UK documentary called "Obscenery." I have seen the unfinished version and it truly takes you right into the lives of the "Couple of the First Amendment." This will be the third documentary about them of which I am aware. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatWhiteNope 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2006 A lot of people are asking about the new Rise and Fall DVD. It's actually not a documentary. It's a compilation based on the ECW wrestlers who worked for XPW. It will feature the XPW debuts and the first one or two matches in XPW of pretty much every ECW wrestler who worked for Rob Black. It will include the up until now unreleased Sandman vs. Vic Grimes match, including the leadup where Sandman makes his shocking debut (which NOBODY knew was coming). So the "After The Fall" title is basically a play on the "Rise and Fall of ECW" title in that it features matches from ECW stars after ECW had folded. Not exactly somethng I'd pay for, but still pretty cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scroby 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2006 I'm surprised you haven't tried to contact Pogo....Have you tried? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timmy8271 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2006 http://www.lukeisback.com/stars/stars/jessica_darlin.htm Some of Jessica's "Controversial Rants". No nudity on that site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2006 I'm surprised you haven't tried to contact Pogo....Have you tried? I talked to Pogo a few times about two years ago and we just kinda lost touch. He's already promised to me he's in and I don't see any reason why that would change. We started his interview awhile back...he had a lot to say on Shaggy 2 Dope, Vampiro, Sandman, etc. but there's still a good amount to cover. With WSX (which I can assure you everybody involved - from the wrestlers to the crew to the bookers - are going ALL OUT on), you're bound to hear a lot more about XPW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2006 Another update... MAJOR NEW ADDITIONS TO “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job,” including TOMMY DREAMER Devon “Crowbar” Storm and former-NWA World Heavyweight Champion Ron “The Truth” Killings (K-Kwik in the WWF), recently did interviews for the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” historical retrospective. Furthermore, former-EPIC Pro Wrestling promoter Gary Yap has agreed to be interviewed. Also involved with “XPW: Bleeding Was ONLY Half the Job” are world-famous athletes and entertainers such as ECW’s TOMMY DREAMER, “The Franchise” Shane Douglas, and the one and only king of adult films himself, Ron Jeremy. In this update you will: • have your interest peaked (hopefully) about what Devon Storm had to say about XPW and other subjects in his interview • see exclusive video footage of Ron Killings antagonizing wrestling fans in a way that only he can • laugh when you read a story about Ron Killings • find out the two words least likely to come out of Tommy Dreamer’s mouth Dreamer ever again GARY YAP Former-EPIC Pro Wrestling and Pro Wrestling WAR promoter Gary Yap has agreed to participate in “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job.” Yap will discuss in detail EPIC’s dealings with XPW as well as his friendship and the eventual fallout and legal disputes with The Messiah. DEVON STORM INTERVIEW During his interview, Devon Storm (Crowbar in WCW) discussed very candidly his 2002-2003 XPW run, including - but not limited to - topics such as his thoughts on Rob Black and Lizzy Borden, his XPW gimmicks (“Judas” and later “Salem”), he and Altar Boy Luke’s storyline that was developing in XPW, the role of religion in his real-life, and his relationships with Shane Douglas, Altar Boy Luke, Vic Grimes, and Daffney (Lucy). Perhaps the most insightful part of the interview was Storm’s commentary about his late friend, Jerry Tuite (The Wall/Malice/SNUFF). FULL SUMMARY OF RON KILLINGS INTERVIEW Ron Killings wrestled two matches in XPW, both of which were tag team matches. He was paired with Shalid Jihad and Raphael Mohammed to form The New Panthers, which were based on the real-life Black Panthers group. Killings did not like the gimmick itself, but he had a fun time wrestling people such as Pogo the Clown, Damian 666, and Halloween. At the hotel and on the road, he hung out primarily with The Sandman, Chris Hamrick, Steve Rizzono, and Pogo, and although he only had two matches, Killings holds the claim to fame for cutting one of the funniest promos in the history of XPW. Mercilessly, he ripped into the XPW fans at Liberty or Death in ways that must be seen to be believed, and up until now has yet to be released publicly. As special thanks to you Xtreme supporters of “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job,” here is the fancam version of “Ron Killings: How to Bond and Make Friends with XPW Fans.” http://www.megaupload.com/?d=L1VJ4FVQ (special thanks to Slava Siderman for the footage) Killings’ interview focused on Liberty or Death and Baptized in Blood 2: Night of Champions, the two XPW shows which he was a part of. Killings does not recall who contacted him about becoming a part of XPW, but he was very positive about everybody who he met while a part of it. He never had a problem with bosses Rob Black, Tom Byron or Kevin Kleinrock (“I love Kevin.”). He never had any of his checks bounce, unlike some wrestlers in XPW. Killings said that there were plans to continue bringing him back to XPW and move him away from The Black Panthers so that he became more of a singles wrestler, but for whatever reason he did not return after the two shows. Some people have claimed that Killings was booked for XPW’s first show on the East Coast, Hostile Takeover; Killings says he was never booked. On a side note, an interesting tidbit about Killings is that he is such a bad driver that his name is on an actual list with over 20 rental car agencies throughout the United States which forbids him to use a rental car to get around while on the road, because he has either crashed, totaled, damaged, or lit on fire so many rental cars in the past. Steve Rizzono told a story of how he, Hamrick, and Killings were driving in California one time on the day of an XPW show. Killings was behind the wheel and Rizzono says that he feared for his life. TOMMY DREAMER TALKS XPW FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER WWE employee and “ECW on Sci Fi” superstar TOMMY DREAMER recently became arguably the most well-known wrestling superstar to get involved in the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” historical retrospective. For the first time EVER, Dreamer talked about his adult film cameo (“Whack Attack 5” - also featuring “Brother” Buh Buh Ray Dudley and Alex “Big Dick Dudley” Rizzo). In a funny note (because no XPW retrospective is complete without some humor, considering that that was what so many people loved about XPW TV), while we were speaking, Tommy was on the Internet simultaneously Googling “Whack Attack 5” with the intent of finding the DVD for himself. He was finding results for “Whack Attack 5: BUTTHOLE BUFFET” and kept asking if that was the correct DVD, to which I kept saying, “I’m not sure; I think it’s just called ‘Whack Attack 5’ without any subtitle.” At that point, he joked “You’re writing the thing, you should know.” Finally, upon my mentioning that the DVD cover has an image of Ashlyn Gere, Tommy and I came to the conclusion that he WAS indeed looking at the correct product. Nonetheless, “butthole buffet” will remain a probable candidate for two words that will never come out of Tommy Dreamer’s mouth one after the other, in succession, ever again. While Tommy’s WWE contract does not allow him to OFFICIALLY endorse the “XPW: Bleeding Was ONLY Half the Job” (whereas porn legend Ron Jeremy WAS able to officially attach his name to it as an endorsement, seeing as how he is not under contract to any one company--see http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QKS44NTL for his endorsement video) because he is under contract to WWE/ECW, Tommy did say that he approves of any effort to promote indy wrestling. Tommy did not comment on the HeatWave 2000 incident. The insight that Tommy contributed to “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is EXTREMEly appreciated. Tommy Dreamer can be seen each Tuesday evening on the Sci Fi Channel. GENERAL INFORMATION “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is an independently-produced, ongoing historical retrospective which details in extraordinary depth the fascinating history of Rob Black’s XPW (Xtreme Pro Wrestling). Officially endorsed by adult film legend Ron Jeremy ( http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KF2BRGPB ) as well as by pro wrestler / promoter / trainer / musician / radio host / magician Verne Langdon (http://www.vernelangdon.com/), the retrospective will go behind-closed-doors and detail everything one could ever want to know about XPW. The Objective The phrase, “to leave no stone unturned,” is very common nowadays--so common, in fact, that it is often exaggerated. When “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” vows to leave no stone unturned, it is not exaggerating. On the contrary, “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is intent on bringing readers dirt that has been concealed among “the boys” since XPW existed and - until now - has never seen the light of day. This fact is evidenced by the involvement of such world-famous entertainers as Ron Jeremy, Shane Douglas, and Tommy Dreamer in the project. “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” has all of the necessary resources at its disposal and plans to use those resources with the purpose of bringing to the reader the roller-coaster experience that was XPW. The Content With over 30 people contributing exclusive comments, it is impossible to do the retrospective’s content justice, but readers can expect a major focus on the more controversial aspects of XPW’s history, such as Rob Black’s friendships with Paul Heyman and Buh Buh Ray Dudley and where exactly the negotiations with ECW went wrong, what exactly happened at the HeatWave 2000 riot, drug use in the XPW locker room, and the inside scoop on whether or not the wrestlers got sexual favors from the porn stars. Find out what The Messiah doesn’t want his fans to know about his personal life and his former-relationship with Rob Black and Lizzy Borden. Follow Josh Lazie as he tells stories of his experiences traveling all around the world with Sabu, including how they got jailed together in Mexico (as well as how El Hijo del Santo played into the story). Learn the stories that Jasmin St. Claire doesn’t want you to know about her history of harassing XPW wrestlers. Get the inside scoops on the roles that Hayabusa, Bruce Hart, and Atsushi Onita, played in XPW. Plus, each person who did an interview (see the list below) was asked for their favorite/funniest John Kronus story. Kronus - a former-ECW Tag Team Champion as one half of “The Eliminators” with Perry Saturn - is known not only as being one of the most notorious ribbers in the wrestling business but also for doing crazy stunts with the purpose of entertaining “the boys.” Many of these humorous drugs, sex, and alcohol-related stories will be published in “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job.” The Wrestlers The best part about “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is that it will be told from the accounts of the people who were there to live the XPW experience, among them Tommy Dreamer, Shane Douglas, Jerry Lynn, Missy Hyatt, and tens of others. Virtually every major wrestler who you could think of who wrestled for or were directly associated with XPW have done extensive shoot interviews about his or her XPW runs and their comments will be incorporated into the retrospective with the purpose of providing first-hand testimony. Everybody was asked about their opinion of how they got into XPW, their opinion of Rob Black and of Lizzy Borden, and then of course more specific questions about their particular involvement in XPW, as well as their favorite party/road stories from XPW. The list of people who have done interviews so far include: <<WWE/ECW superstar TOMMY DREAMER <<“The Franchise” SHANE DOUGLAS (made very candid comments on a number of different subjects---for a full summary of what Douglas discussed, go to http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...ages/xpwsd.html ) <<Jerry Lynn <<Missy Hyatt <<Chris Hamrick <<Ron “The Truth” Killings <<Devon Storm (a.k.a. Crowbar) <<“The Fallen Angel” Christopher Daniels <<Shark Boy <<Kevin Kleinrock (former-XPW VP) <<Josh Lazie (former-XPW Talent Relations Director, manager of Sabu, and ex-bassist for the world-famous band DANZIG---for a full summary of what Lazie discussed, go to http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...s/xpwlazie.html ) <<Kris Kloss <<Larry Rivera <<CZW promoter/wrestler John Zandig <<Gary Yap <<Verne Langdon (the trainer of Homeless Jimmy, Messiah, Dynamite D, Johnny Webb, Damien Steele, Angel, and others) <<Plus over 20 different wrestlers including - but not limited to - Kaos, GQ Money, Altar Boy Luke, Pogo the Clown, “White Trash” Johnny Webb, Dynamite D, Steve Rizzono, and tons of others <<Many more to be announced! Those who were contacted for interviews about their XPW tenures but declined include: <<Sabu (did not want to do any sort of interview regardless of pay---said he would not do the interview even if he were to be paid $5,000) <<New Jack (no interest in talking about XPW) <<Evan Karagias (wanted $100 for an interview) <<The Messiah (wanted $200+ for an interview) <<***Lizzy Borden (has moved on from wrestling and doesn’t wish to comment on it) <<Jasmin St. Claire (acted like a prima donna [read: Pre-Madonna], saying she was higher than doing wrestling interviews) ***Although Lizzy Borden did not grant an interview, she was very helpful in supplying rare XPW footage and photographs which will be used to supplement the voluminous information that is presented in the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” retrospective. More and more people who were formerly associated with XPW continue to be contacted for interviews and updates will be given if anyone noteworthy agrees to get involved. In addition, “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job”’s narrative/written content will be *supplemented* by previously unreleased video footage, photographs, and other exclusive multimedia. To read the editions of “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” that have been printed up to this point, please visit: http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...xpwhistory.html Be sure to start at the bottom of that page, as the article at the top is the most recent chronologically and the last article is the first article chronologically (assuming you want to read them in chronological order, that is…if not, then dive right in!). For any questions about the retrospective, please e-mail [email protected]. Also e-mail that address if you wish to be added to the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” mailing list. Thanks for your interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2006 great updates. man I cotta get that new dvd then. cool to hear so many xpw stars will be involved with WSX. ill be watching for sure. meantime there are plenty of xpw clips still up on youtube including this one a short clip of sandmans xpw debut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPXuSfMsORg konan and mexicos most wanted jump rob black http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfbJDjSuoxE...ted&search= a clip of the aforementioned Ron Killings rant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nNVfLciPp8...ted&search= Lizzy trains for her match with Major Gunns, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtlxdbTUNr8...ted&search= Rob Black and Larry Rivera sing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsZzbrkPHIQ...ted&search= Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2006 So Rob Black and Lizzy Borden were interviewed on the "Daily Show" with Jon Stewart last night, about Black running for mayor or something. Black was treated as a joke, but didn't come off looking too ridiculous, I guess. However, they then showed an interview with Borden, who said America should go back to speaking one language, not..."uh..you know, what, uh, black people say...", "ebonics?", "yeah...", "or arabic?", "yeah, that..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2006 That was a replay from 2001. Shit, I wish I knew about it, I would've taped it. And that's so funny, I was just talking to someone about their appearance on Stewart last night, probably rihgt at the time it was airing, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2006 That was a replay from 2001. Shit, I wish I knew about it, I would've taped it. And that's so funny, I was just talking to someone about their appearance on Stewart last night, probably rihgt at the time it was airing, too. oh man I missed it too, I remember watching that when it first aired and wished I had taped it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 Another mainstream wrestling superstar has done an extensive interview for "XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job." Will announce his identity soon. Hint: he never wrestled a match for XPW but was nonetheless very involved with the "Philly Indy Wars" of 2002 and had a LOT of shooting to get off his chest, especially about one particular person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timmy8271 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2006 Zandig? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2006 First off I am happy to announce that The Blue Meanie (he is the mainstream star who I promoted in my last post) has requested to have "XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job" as a forum to speak about the Philly Wars and his past relationship with Jasmin St. Claire. Much more information to follow, including a preview of what Meanie (who reads TSM) will speak about. Secondly, a brand new edition of "XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job" will be released within the next few weeks. GENERAL INFORMATION “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is an independently-produced, ongoing historical retrospective which details in extraordinary depth the fascinating history of Rob Black’s XPW (Xtreme Pro Wrestling). Officially endorsed by adult film legend Ron Jeremy ( http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KF2BRGPB ) as well as by pro wrestler / promoter / trainer / musician / radio host / magician Verne Langdon (http://www.vernelangdon.com/), the retrospective will go behind-closed-doors and detail everything one could ever want to know about XPW. The Objective The phrase, “to leave no stone unturned,” is very common nowadays--so common, in fact, that it is often exaggerated. When “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” vows to leave no stone unturned, it is not exaggerating. On the contrary, “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is intent on bringing readers dirt that has been concealed among “the boys” since XPW existed and - until now - has never seen the light of day. This fact is evidenced by the involvement of such world-famous entertainers as Ron Jeremy, Shane Douglas, and Tommy Dreamer in the project. “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” has all of the necessary resources at its disposal and plans to use those resources with the purpose of bringing to the reader the roller-coaster experience that was XPW. The Content With over 30 people contributing exclusive comments, it is impossible to do the retrospective’s content justice, but readers can expect a major focus on the more controversial aspects of XPW’s history, such as Rob Black’s friendships with Paul Heyman and Buh Buh Ray Dudley and where exactly the negotiations with ECW went wrong, what exactly happened at the HeatWave 2000 riot, drug use in the XPW locker room, and the inside scoop on whether or not the wrestlers got sexual favors from the porn stars. Find out what The Messiah doesn’t want his fans to know about his personal life and his former-relationship with Rob Black and Lizzy Borden. Follow Josh Lazie as he tells stories of his experiences traveling all around the world with Sabu, including how they got jailed together in Mexico (as well as how El Hijo del Santo played into the story). Learn the stories that Jasmin St. Claire doesn’t want you to know about her history of harassing XPW wrestlers. Get the inside scoops on the roles that Hayabusa, Bruce Hart, and Atsushi Onita played in XPW. Plus, each person who did an interview (see the list below) was asked for their favorite/funniest John Kronus story. Kronus - a former-ECW Tag Team Champion as one half of “The Eliminators” with Perry Saturn - is known not only as being one of the most notorious ribbers in the wrestling business but also for doing crazy stunts with the purpose of entertaining “the boys.” Many of these humorous drugs, sex, and alcohol-related stories will be published in “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job.” The Wrestlers The best part about “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is that it will be told from the accounts of the people who were there to live the XPW experience, among them Tommy Dreamer, Shane Douglas, Jerry Lynn, Missy Hyatt, and tens of others. Virtually every major wrestler who you could think of who wrestled for or were directly associated with XPW have done extensive shoot interviews about his or her XPW runs and their comments will be incorporated into the retrospective with the purpose of providing first-hand testimony. Everybody was asked about their opinion of how they got into XPW, their opinion of Rob Black and of Lizzy Borden, and then of course more specific questions about their particular involvement in XPW, as well as their favorite party/road stories from XPW. The list of people who have done interviews so far include: “The Franchise” SHANE DOUGLAS (made very candid comments on a number of different subjects---for a full summary of what Douglas discussed, go to http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...ages/xpwsd.html ) WWE/ECW superstar TOMMY DREAMER Jerry Lynn The Blue Meanie Missy Hyatt Chris Hamrick Ron “The Truth” Killings Devon Storm (a.k.a. Crowbar) “The Fallen Angel” Christopher Daniels Shark Boy Kevin Kleinrock (former-XPW VP) Josh Lazie (former-XPW Talent Relations Director, manager of Sabu, and ex-bassist for the world-famous band DANZIG---for a full summary of what Lazie discussed, go to http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...s/xpwlazie.html ) Kris Kloss Larry Rivera CZW promoter/wrestler John Zandig Gary Yap Verne Langdon (the trainer of Homeless Jimmy, Messiah, Dynamite D, Johnny Webb, Damien Steele, Angel, and others) Plus over 20 different wrestlers including - but not limited to - Kaos, GQ Money, Altar Boy Luke, Pogo the Clown, “White Trash” Johnny Webb, Dynamite D, Steve Rizzono, and tons of others Many more to be announced! Those who were contacted for interviews about their XPW tenures but declined include: Sabu (did not want to do any sort of interview regardless of pay---said he would not do the interview even if he were to be paid $5,000) New Jack (no interest in talking about XPW) Evan Karagias (wanted $100 for an interview) The Messiah (wanted $200+ for an interview) ***Lizzy Borden (has moved on from wrestling and doesn’t wish to comment on it) Jasmin St. Claire (acted like a prima donna [read: Pre-Madonna], saying she was higher than doing wrestling interviews) ***Although Lizzy Borden did not grant an interview, she was very helpful in supplying rare XPW footage and photographs which will be used to supplement the voluminous information that is presented in the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” retrospective. More and more people who were formerly associated with XPW continue to be contacted for interviews and updates will be given if anyone noteworthy agrees to get involved. In addition, “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job”’s narrative/written content will be *supplemented* by previously unreleased video footage, photographs, and other exclusive multimedia. To read the editions of “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” that have been printed up to this point, please visit: http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...xpwhistory.html Be sure to start at the bottom of that page, as the article at the top is the most recent chronologically and the last article is the first article chronologically (assuming you want to read them in chronological order, that is…if not, then dive right in!). For any questions about the retrospective, please e-mail [email protected]. Also e-mail that address if you wish to be added to the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” mailing list. Thanks for your interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scroby 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2006 Hi Meanie! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2006 So when does this come out, and/or when can we start reading about the "dirt" ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2006 It's not designed to all be printed at once. Just keep being patient. The past year I've been focusing on attaching name value to the project and if I may say so myself, I think I've succeeded, having spoken with Tommy Dreamer, Verne Langdon, Ron Jeremy, Shane Douglas, and others. Now that some mainstream people are involved, there is more time to focus on writing it. The newest edition will be printed soon. Thanks for the continued interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatWhiteNope 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2006 Here's the match listing for the new "XPW: After The Fall" 2-disc DVD set - disc 1 : rizzono & kaos vs westsiders public enemy vs westsiders xpw title history chris candido vs damien steele westsiders vs pittbulls sabu vs terry funk kaos vs tracy smothers axl rotten vs supreme sabu vs candido axl rotten vs abdullah the butcher grimes & messiah vs sabu & homeless jimmy messiah vs sabu disc 2 : major gunns vs lissy borden sandman vs konnan juice bar juvi vs chetti psicosis vs chetti vs siaki vs christian york super crasy vs jerry lynn juvi vs julio dinero vic grimes vs little guido vs altar boy luke hallowen vs damien 666 mexico most wanted vs kraq & kronus j love simon diamond vs pogo super crasy vs psicosis kaos vs hamrick shane douglas vs credible fan cam : raven vs vic grimes supreme vs ian rotten damien steele vs big dick dudley vs johnny webb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2006 They had to cut Sandman vs. Vic Grimes unfortunately, so that full match still has yet to see the light of day. Lynn vs. Crazy is one of the best matches Lynn has ever had in his entire career, and that's saying something. Grimes & Messiah vs. Sabu & Jimmy is one of the best hardcore tag team brawls you'll ever see, I guarantee. And Grimes vs. Guido vs. Luke is insanely good as well. (these are not just by XPW standards but by any wrestling standards) The only thing I really need to complain about is that they didn't put ANY Vic vs. Shane matches, cuz those matches were by far some of the best of Shane's career since he left ECW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Buzz 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2006 I didn't follow XPW much, After The Fall is the first dvd of theirs I've purchased. I haven't received it yet, but let me ask how long was Raven's run in XPW, and was it eventful? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2006 Raven was only on one of XPW's shows, in early 2003. He wrestled Vic Grimes. The fancam version of the match is on the After the Fall DVD (as you've probably seen from the match listing above). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2006 Happy 30th birthday to the one and only Lizzy Borden! Pics from her celebration can be viewed at: http://www.avn.com/gallery/view_album.php?...izzy-s-birthday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2006 TOMMY DREAMER & BLUE MEANIE join “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job,” Lizzy turns 30, new XPW DVD in stores, and more! DECEMBER 2006 The Blue Meanie recently agreed to participate in “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job.” Meanie joins fellow ECW legends Tommy Dreamer, Shane Douglas, and Jerry Lynn, as well as world-famous adult film icon Ron Jeremy (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KF2BRGPB) who have already involved themselves with “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job.” “Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” meets The BLUE MEANIE Perennial fan favorite The Blue Meanie approached “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” wanting to participate in the historical retrospective and his offer was quickly accepted. Meanie intends to set the record straight on several topics. As the promoter of 3PW, Meanie saw first-hand and wants to set the record straight on what transpired when XPW started running shows in the Philadelphia area in August 2002. Meanie also had a lot to get off his chest about his ex-girlfriend, porn star extraordinaire and XPW diva Jasmin St. Claire. Meanie’s comments - as well as first-hand accounts from Shane Douglas and Christopher Daniels - will play a major part in the section of “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” which focuses upon the real-life downfall of inaugural XPW World Heavyweight Champion and John Cena trainer “The Real Deal” Damien Steele. “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is honored to add the involvement of former-ECW and WWE star The Blue Meanie - who was in WWE TV main events with John Bradshaw Layfield (JBL) just one year ago - to the list of notable luminaries who are participating in the retrospective. HAPPY 30th BIRTHDAY to LIZZY BORDEN! On Wednesday night, December 21, XPW’s “Queen of Xtreme” Lizzy Borden celebrated her 30th birthday with a totally insane party which was hosted by “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job”’s own Ron Jeremy. For an article about the event, visit http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navig...ntent_ID=281040 and to view photos from the crazy night, go to http://www.avn.com/gallery/view_album.php?...izzy-s-birthday. XPW AFTER THE FALL DVD released by BIG VISION ENTERTAINMENT Big Vision Entertainment - operated by former-XPW Vice President Kevin Kleinrock - has announced the release of the newest XPW DVD, “After the Fall,” which features not only cover art to die for, but also some of the best matches in XPW history, including: *the death-defying tornado (literally!) tag with Messiah & Vic Grimes vs. Sabu & Homeless Jimmy *Jerry Lynn vs. Super Crazy in one of Lynn’s greatest matches EVER (and that’s saying something!) *the epic Vic Grimes vs. Little Guido vs. Altar Boy Luke elimination match that had the rabid Viking Hall crowd on the edge of their seats *Raven vs. Vic Grimes in a one-time only encounter “XPW After the Fall” is currently available for purchase at BigVisionEntertainment.com and Highspots.com. DEVON STORM TALKS XPW Devon Storm (Crowbar in WCW) discussed very candidly his 2002-2003 XPW run, including - but not limited to - topics such as his thoughts on Rob Black and Lizzy Borden, his XPW gimmicks (“Judas” and later “Salem”), he and Altar Boy Luke’s storyline that was developing in XPW, the role of religion in his real-life, and his relationships with Shane Douglas, Altar Boy Luke, Vic Grimes, and Daffney (Lucy). Perhaps the most insightful part of the interview was Storm’s commentary about his late friend, Jerry Tuite (The Wall/Malice/SNUFF). FULL SUMMARY OF RON KILLINGS INTERVIEW Ron Killings wrestled two matches in XPW, both of which were tag team matches. He was paired with Shalid Jihad and Raphael Mohammed to form The New Panthers, which were based on the real-life Black Panthers group. Killings did not like the gimmick itself, but he made the best of it. At the hotel and on the road, he hung out primarily with The Sandman, Chris Hamrick, Steve Rizzono, and Pogo, and although he only had two matches, Killings holds the claim to fame for cutting one of the funniest promos in the history of XPW. Mercilessly, he ripped into the XPW fans at Liberty or Death in ways that must be seen to be believed, and up until now has yet to be released publicly. As special thanks to you Xtreme supporters of “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job,” here is the fancam version of “Ron Killings: How to Bond and Make Friends with XPW Fans.” http://www.megaupload.com/?d=L1VJ4FVQ (special thanks to Slava Siderman for the footage) Killings’ interview focused on Liberty or Death and Baptized in Blood 2: Night of Champions, the two XPW shows which he was a part of. Killings does not recall who contacted him about becoming a part of XPW, but he was very positive about everybody who he met while a part of it. He never had a problem with bosses Rob Black, Tom Byron or Kevin Kleinrock (“I love Kevin.”). He never had any of his checks bounce, unlike some wrestlers in XPW. Killings said that there were plans to continue bringing him back to XPW and move him away from The Black Panthers so that he became more of a singles wrestler, but for whatever reason he did not return after the two shows. Some people have claimed that Killings was booked for XPW’s first show on the East Coast, Hostile Takeover; Killings says he was never booked. On a side note, an interesting tidbit about Killings is that he is such a bad driver that his name is on an actual list with over 20 rental car agencies throughout the United States which forbids him to use a rental car to get around while on the road, because he has either crashed, totaled, damaged, or lit on fire so many rental cars in the past. Steve Rizzono told a story of how he, Hamrick, and Killings were driving in California one time on the day of an XPW show. Killings was behind the wheel and Rizzono says that he feared for his life. TOMMY DREAMER TALKS XPW FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER WWE employee and “ECW on Sci Fi” superstar TOMMY DREAMER recently became arguably the most well-known wrestling superstar to get involved in the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” historical retrospective. For the first time EVER, Dreamer talked about his adult film cameo (“Whack Attack 5” - also featuring “Brother” Buh Buh Ray Dudley and Alex “Big Dick Dudley” Rizzo). In a funny note (because no XPW retrospective is complete without some humor, considering that that was what so many people loved about XPW TV), while we were speaking, Tommy was on the Internet simultaneously Googling “Whack Attack 5” with the intent of finding the DVD for himself. He was finding results for “Whack Attack 5: BUTTHOLE BUFFET” and kept asking if that was the correct DVD, to which I kept saying, “I’m not sure; I think it’s just called ‘Whack Attack 5’ without any subtitle.” At that point, he joked “You’re writing the thing, you should know.” Finally, upon my mentioning that the DVD cover has an image of Ashlyn Gere, Tommy and I came to the conclusion that he WAS indeed looking at the correct product. Nonetheless, “butthole buffet” will remain a probable candidate for two words that will never come out of Tommy Dreamer’s mouth one after the other, in succession, ever again. While Tommy’s WWE contract does not allow him to OFFICIALLY endorse the “XPW: Bleeding Was ONLY Half the Job” (whereas porn legend Ron Jeremy WAS able to officially attach his name to it as an endorsement, seeing as how he is not under contract to any one company--see http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QKS44NTL for his endorsement video) because he is under contract to WWE/ECW, Tommy did say that he approves of any effort to promote indy wrestling. Tommy did not comment on the HeatWave 2000 incident. The insight that Tommy contributed to “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is EXTREMEly appreciated. Tommy Dreamer can be seen each Tuesday evening on the Sci Fi Channel. GARY YAP Former-EPIC Pro Wrestling and Pro Wrestling WAR promoter Gary Yap has agreed to participate in “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job.” Yap will discuss in detail EPIC’s dealings with XPW as well as his friendship and his eventual fallout and legal disputes with The Messiah. COMING IN FUTURE “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” UPDATES: *A fascinating list of exactly which former-XPW wrestlers/employees have been put back in touch with each other as a result of the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” *Exclusive comment from LANCE STORM about XPW *Steve Rizzono discusses his 1996 dark match against WWE superstar John Bradshaw Layfield (JBL) - the match just so happened to be JBL’s WWE debut, and a start to a magnificent run which saw Bradshaw capture the World Heavyweight Title! GENERAL INFORMATION “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is an independently-produced, ongoing historical retrospective which details in extraordinary depth the fascinating history of Rob Black’s XPW (Xtreme Pro Wrestling). Officially endorsed by adult film legend Ron Jeremy ( http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KF2BRGPB ) as well as by pro wrestler / promoter / trainer / musician / radio host / magician Verne Langdon (http://www.vernelangdon.com/), the retrospective will go behind-closed-doors and detail everything one could ever want to know about XPW. The Objective The phrase, “to leave no stone unturned,” is very common nowadays--so common, in fact, that it is often exaggerated. When “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” vows to leave no stone unturned, it is not exaggerating. On the contrary, “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is intent on bringing readers dirt that has been concealed among “the boys” since XPW existed and - until now - has never seen the light of day. This fact is evidenced by the involvement of such world-famous entertainers as Ron Jeremy, Shane Douglas, and Tommy Dreamer in the project. “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” has all of the necessary resources at its disposal and plans to use those resources with the purpose of bringing to the reader the roller-coaster experience that was XPW. The Content With over 30 people contributing exclusive comments, it is impossible to do the retrospective’s content justice, but readers can expect a major focus on the more controversial aspects of XPW’s history, such as Rob Black’s friendships with Paul Heyman and Buh Buh Ray Dudley and where exactly the negotiations with ECW went wrong, what exactly happened at the HeatWave 2000 riot, drug use in the XPW locker room, and the inside scoop on whether or not the wrestlers got sexual favors from the porn stars. Find out what The Messiah doesn’t want his fans to know about his personal life and his former-relationship with Rob Black and Lizzy Borden. Follow Josh Lazie as he tells stories of his experiences traveling all around the world with Sabu, including how they got jailed together in Mexico (as well as how El Hijo del Santo played into the story). Learn the stories that Jasmin St. Claire doesn’t want you to know about her history of harassing XPW wrestlers. Get the inside scoops on the roles that Hayabusa, Bruce Hart, and Atsushi Onita played in XPW. Plus, each person who did an interview (see the list below) was asked for their favorite/funniest John Kronus story. Kronus - a former-ECW Tag Team Champion as one half of “The Eliminators” with Perry Saturn - is known not only as being one of the most notorious ribbers in the wrestling business but also for doing crazy stunts with the purpose of entertaining “the boys.” Many of these humorous drugs, sex, and alcohol-related stories will be published in “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job.” The Wrestlers The best part about “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” is that it will be told from the accounts of the people who were there to live the XPW experience, among them Tommy Dreamer, Shane Douglas, Jerry Lynn, Missy Hyatt, and tens of others. Virtually every major wrestler who you could think of who wrestled for or were directly associated with XPW have done extensive shoot interviews about his or her XPW runs and their comments will be incorporated into the retrospective with the purpose of providing first-hand testimony. Everybody was asked about their opinion of how they got into XPW, their opinion of Rob Black and of Lizzy Borden, and then of course more specific questions about their particular involvement in XPW, as well as their favorite party/road stories from XPW. The list of people who have done interviews so far include: * “The Franchise” SHANE DOUGLAS (made very candid comments on a number of different subjects---for a full summary of what Douglas discussed, go to http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...ages/xpwsd.html ) *WWE/ECW superstar TOMMY DREAMER *Jerry Lynn *The Blue Meanie *Missy Hyatt *Chris Hamrick *Ron “The Truth” Killings *Devon Storm (a.k.a. Crowbar) *“The Fallen Angel” Christopher Daniels *Shark Boy *Kevin Kleinrock (former-XPW VP) *Josh Lazie (former-XPW Talent Relations Director, manager of Sabu, and ex-bassist for the world-famous band DANZIG---for a full summary of what Lazie discussed, go to http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...s/xpwlazie.html ) *Kris Kloss *Larry Rivera *CZW promoter/wrestler John Zandig *Gary Yap *Verne Langdon (the trainer of Homeless Jimmy, Messiah, Dynamite D, Webb, Damien Steele, Angel, and others) *Plus over 20 different wrestlers including - but not limited to - Kaos, GQ Money, Altar Boy Luke, Pogo the Clown, “White Trash” Johnny Webb, Dynamite D, Steve Rizzono, and tons of others Many more to be announced! Those who were contacted for interviews about their XPW tenures but declined include: *Sabu (did not want to do any sort of interview regardless of pay---said he would not do the interview even if he were to be paid $5,000) *New Jack (no interest in talking about XPW) *Evan Karagias (wanted $100 for an interview) *The Messiah (wanted $200+ for an interview) ***Lizzy Borden (has moved on from wrestling and doesn’t wish to comment on it) *Jasmin St. Claire (acted like a prima donna [read: Pre-Madonna], saying she was higher than doing wrestling interviews) ***Although Lizzy Borden did not grant an interview, she was very helpful in supplying rare XPW footage and photographs which will be used to supplement the voluminous information that is presented in the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” retrospective. More and more people who were formerly associated with XPW continue to be contacted for interviews and updates will be given if anyone noteworthy agrees to get involved. In addition, “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job”’s narrative/written content will be *supplemented* by previously unreleased video footage, photographs, and other exclusive multimedia. To read the editions of “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” that have been printed up to this point, please visit: http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...xpwhistory.html Be sure to start at the bottom of that page, as the article at the top is the most recent chronologically and the last article is the first article chronologically (assuming you want to read them in chronological order, that is…if not, then dive right in!). For any questions about the retrospective, please e-mail [email protected]. Also e-mail that address if you wish to be added to the “XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job” mailing list. Thanks for your interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timmy8271 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2006 Good to see she's still on the drugs and hot. I would love to see a shoot interview just with Rob black. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2006 Lizzy quit drugs back in like '98 or '99. Her only drug now is Starbucks coffee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted December 26, 2006 Hey, I went back to that FYE on friday and they still had all the xpw videos so Ipicked up The Revolution will Be Televised Go Funk Yourself Genocide The Best Of The Enterprise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted December 26, 2006 Sweet. Best of the E is a real good production, although its too bad they didn't have the DVD cuz the DVD extras are awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted December 29, 2006 Sweet. Best of the E is a real good production, although its too bad they didn't have the DVD cuz the DVD extras are awesome. no actually i got those all on dvd,I guess I should have said that instea dof the generic "videos". anyhow yea they look pretty awesome. I have watched most of the "Televised one" but quick question, is this the same as XPWS first video "Hardcore Conception" with a different name? I think it is. I took a quick look at the E dvd and its pretty good. the footage of supreme on fire for like what seemed to be 10 seconds was horrifying. awesome that it includes clips of ETV and Kaos and Money doing the commentary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites