OaO 8/4/04 TNA PPV Thread

[LucharesuFan619 0]

According to the RajahWWF.com Oratory message board:

 

Match 1 - Raven d. Sabu via pinfall when Raven DDTed Sabu on a table tilted at an angle (man, they didn't take my advice in that article in the General Wrestling section [shill - check it out and find out how TNA SHOULD'VE booked this match and the rest of the feud!!!! ] at all and put those two in the FIRST fucking match...ridiculous...)

Match 2 - Abyss d. Sonny Siaki via pinfall

Match 3 - Michael Shane and Kazarian d. Chris Sabin and Jerry Lynn via pinfall

 

Russo announces a "Championship Committee" headed by Terry Funk, Harley Race, and Larry Zybkdslaklskldklsdhngljsko or however you spell it. Dusty Rhodes got furious about something and a heel turn was hinted at.

 

Currently happening apparently is Pat Kenney vs. Big Vito & Trinity in a weapons match of sorts (handicap match, I guess).

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

Anything else?

[Guest Donners]

I guess Kash/Styles is the ME then? Could do worse.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Well, I just read Meltzer's report and if you went by that, you'd think it was one of the worst shows ever. I don't know. Sometimes I think he is way too harsh. I thought it was a good show. The last 2 matches were outstanding in my opinion. The Kenney-Vito match though was one of the worst things I have ever seen.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

No offense, TD, but I don't remember you saying any show was below average. You usually say "I don't know why you're being so harsh, I thought it was a good show."

 

I'm glad for not ordering if they botched a MADE feud like Raven/Sabu like this already by putting it on first WHEN NONE OF THE OTHER MATCHES HAVE AS MUCH HEAT GOING INTO THEM BESIDES KASH/STYLES.

[CubbyBr 0]

Well, I just read Meltzer's report and if you went by that, you'd think it was one of the worst shows ever. I don't know. Sometimes I think he is way too harsh. I thought it was a good show. The last 2 matches were outstanding in my opinion. The Kenney-Vito match though was one of the worst things I have ever seen.

 

As far as Meltzer- it's just biased on his part because Russo works there and it's been obvious since 2002.

[strummer 0]

Just read Meltzer's recap and My God does he hate Russo. He doesn't even try to be objective when it comes to him.

[slimm44 0]

Tonights show wasnt as great as the hype, but it was decent. Everyone was into the Russo segment by the ime Dusty came out. Nobody was into the Vito match. After the main event, AJ once again got a standing ovation as the heels ran back up the ramp. It wasn't as good as the first round a few weeks back, but AJ was thankful.

[Magus 0]

from all the reviews i've read so far, it seems pretty unanimous that this was a big let down. once again TNA had a great show on paper, but they royally fucked it up by going too far over the top with it. Vince Russo has NO heat, and its a fucking CRIME that Raven/Sabu was put on FIRST.

 

TNA needs to keep things simple.

[2GOLD 0]

I highly doubt the Sabu/Raven feud is over, no matter what they say. It was a mistake to put it on first but at least TNA seems to be making AJ Styles the focus of PPVS.

 

 

The Vito/Pat match was horrible

Team Canada and AMW didn't seem to click but still turned in an average match

Raven vs Sabu was actually what I expected-a good senseless brawl

Shane/Kaz vs Lynn/Sabin was decent.

AJ vs Kash was very good but the finish wasn't well played.

The Alpha Male gave a promo that was so hilarious it was worth half the price of the PPV for me.

Abyss vs Siaki was alright, plain ole big man battle.

 

Overall, it was an average show and about what I expected. Hardy getting the upper hand on JJ is good news to me since HOPEFULLY it means he doesn't get the belt.

[eirejmcmahon 0]

That people accept this show as an average effort from TNA shows how much of a slump the company is in at the moment.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

No offense, TD, but I don't remember you saying any show was below average. You usually say "I don't know why you're being so harsh, I thought it was a good show."

Nope. I think at least half the shows are bad. And the harsh statement is the first time I've ever said that.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Looks like I'm skipping it for the 4th week straight. Oh well.

[2GOLD 0]

That people accept this show as an average effort from TNA shows how much of a slump the company is in at the moment.

 

Actually, I'd call this an average effort from anyone.

I haven't ordered TNA since late last year.

 

This was the first one and I'm convinced that if I like the card, I'll buy another one.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Just a question though, is an average show worth $10?

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Just a question though, is an average show worth $10?

In my opinion.....NO.

[2GOLD 0]

The Monty Brown interview alone was worth $5. I haven't laughed that hard in a week.

 

Besides, least I'm not paying 35 for an average show like some WWE fans. The Raven/Sabu match was what I expected and I've paid for ECW shows that were in much worse shape than this was.

 

It was worth 10 but if they had done this for a $35 Sunday Show, I'd have been upset. It was worth 10, not a dime more.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Honestly, take your blinders off 2GOLD. The last WWE PPV, had Orton vs. Edge and Triple H vs. Benoit.......both were better than ANY match in TNA history. PERIOD.

[2GOLD 0]

There is no such thing as wrestling on tv worth 35 dollars.

Period.

 

I have never in my life seen a show where I would gladly say I would pay 35 dollars for. Also, I AM a WWE fan while TNA has become more of a "at least it has smaller guys" thing with me.

 

Plus Monty is 100 times more entertaining on the mic than anyone in the WWE, except maybe Jericho as a heel but Jericho as a face is a bore.

 

It's not blinders, the show gave me a good brawl and a solid X-division match which is all I expected from it. It met my expectations therefore it was an average show and worth 10 dollars.

[Guest The Last Free Voice]

Well I'm not going to jump into the conversation too much, so I'll just post my thoughts. Rush should be done by Saturday. Honestly I haven't started yet, but I'm just out of it today, horrible day thus far. Anyway, I thought the show was better than I expected. Sabu Raven was bad, just as I expected, and the rest of the show kinda was there. The Main Event Could have been alot better, and I think the finish was week. And did they not advertise Hardy getting his shot this week? Maybe not. I'm gonna stop now, becasue My back is in alot of pain. So check out hte rush when its done, then feel free to bitch about how soft I am on TNA.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Let me say this:

 

(1) Average show is a relative term.

 

(2) I've always looked at it like this:

-For 8 hours of TNA, it costs $40. For 3 hours of WWE ppv, it costs $35. Now, can you pick enough stuff out of the 8 hours of TNA (which a lot of it is crap) that when combined would make a good 3 hour ppv? I think so. If you buy it every single week, I think on the whole it is a good deal. Now I know you can say "well you get 6 hours of WWE every week for free" and all that, but I'm talking ppv here.

[Guest Donners]

Honestly, take your blinders off 2GOLD. The last WWE PPV, had Orton vs. Edge and Triple H vs. Benoit.......both were better than ANY match in TNA history. PERIOD.

What, the three minutes of actual decent wrestling after 20 minutes of utterly boring, unimaginative and ultimately pointless rest holds between Edge and Orton? The all too brief signs of a quality match between HHH and Benoit before a mindless little angle with Eugene that I couldn't care less about completely overshadowed it?

 

Those matches you mention wouldn't be worthy of being equal with the average TNA match, let alone the best. I think you're the one with blinkers, to put it mildly.

 

I would pay for this TNA show a dozen times over rather than have to sit through that last WWE PPV again - or hell, most of the WWE PPVs this year.

[Guest Donners]

And did they not advertise Hardy getting his shot this week?

 

Where the hell did people get this idea from? The preview said clearly,

 

This Wednesday night live on TNA Pay-Per-View, NWA World Heavyweight Champion Jeff Jarrett and the enigmatic number one contender Jeff Hardy will have their first face to face since Hardy beat The Alpha Male for the ranking! With their big World Title Match upcoming, what will happen when Jarrett and Hardy face off prior to competition? Will The Alpha Male make his destructive presence felt? Tune in and find out!

 

Yet several people in the preview thread treated it as if it were a match, and I'm trying to explain to a bunch of idiot marks on another board that the photo of him holding the title does NOT mean he is the new champion.

[Guest Donners]

Incidentally, I trust nobody knows who the "mysterious figure" shown during the Sabu/Raven match was, or whether he's the same person who had a promo video later in the show?

[Guest mynameisdane]

I really think it's Sinn.

[Guest Donners]

Actually, I do recall reading something about The New Church coming back, so that may not be a bad guess.

[eirejmcmahon 0]

What the fuck has the WWE got to do with how shit Wednesday's show was ?

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Honestly, take your blinders off 2GOLD.  The last WWE PPV, had Orton vs. Edge and Triple H vs. Benoit.......both were better than ANY match in TNA history.  PERIOD.

What, the three minutes of actual decent wrestling after 20 minutes of utterly boring, unimaginative and ultimately pointless rest holds between Edge and Orton? The all too brief signs of a quality match between HHH and Benoit before a mindless little angle with Eugene that I couldn't care less about completely overshadowed it?

 

Those matches you mention wouldn't be worthy of being equal with the average TNA match, let alone the best. I think you're the one with blinkers, to put it mildly.

 

I would pay for this TNA show a dozen times over rather than have to sit through that last WWE PPV again - or hell, most of the WWE PPVs this year.

WHAT? Your arguing about restholds in the Edge/Orton match is foolish. Your defending a company that is pushing JEFF HARDY to the World title. His work speaks for itself, and at least Edge and Orton don't botch every fucking move they do. This is the kinda shit that pisses me off. I don't have blinders on because I don't favor either company. You talk about an overbooked angle in the ME, with Eugene stealing all the heat.....remind you of anyone? Jarrett has done this on the majority of PPV's since the conception of TNA. Oh, and EVERYONE of those angles were mindless. Even if you didn't like Eugene's interference, it DID make sense and was pertaining to the story and angle that they were pushing going into the PPV. You said, "Those matches you mention wouldn't be worthy of being equal with the average TNA match, let alone the best.", are you fucking kidding me?!?! An average TNA match? What like Monte Brown vs. Jeff Hardy? I find it hilarious when you say you would rather pay for the TNA show a dozen times over than watch the WWE PPV's. Considering that the WWE has been considered to be on a "down slope" and their product is still above and beyond pretty much everything that TNA has done recently or even this year. By the way, this is coming from someone that watches ALL wrestling so I am far from biased about anything. I refuse to sit here and rant and rave about an inferior product and if you can't see that I apologize.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Saying you'd rather pay for for 8 hours of TNA than 3 hours of WWE a month and picking out the better parts of TNA than having the whole of WWE is like saying you'd rather go in for a haircut once a week with a little bit taken off at the time than getting it all done at once. Sure, you might not like it all when you're done with it at once, but at least you won't have to walk down the street embarassed from people staring at you because half of your hair is down to your shoulders and the other half is short and spiked.

 

Yeah, that analogy didn't quite work well, but you get my point, right? Why sit through 8 hours to find the 3 hours of decent shit when you can get 3 hours altogether that will probably be just as good, if not better?

 

Also, DK, I think it would be a safe bet to say that pretty much anything involving XXX or Jerry Lynn or AJ Styles from 2002/first half 2003 is better than Orton/Edge.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Also, DK, I think it would be a safe bet to say that pretty much anything involving XXX or Jerry Lynn or AJ Styles from 2002/first half 2003 is better than Orton/Edge.

I was being a little overreactive, so I'll give some leeway on this one. I wouldn't say "anything" that they did is better, but they have had just as good. I was looking at it from this kind of perspective. Me personally, I gave Edge/Orton match that I was speaking about ****1/4, and that is the highest rating of any match I have in TNA and I chose Sabin/Juvi from the first Super X to give it too. Although, I generalized too much...hopefully you will see the point I was trying to make.