Willie Horton II

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Seriously, did the democrats learn ANYTHING from the Clinton impeachment? If the country doesn't care, which they don't, then ignore the stupid attack ads and move on. It's really not that difficult.

 

Let the splinter groups chase after Kerry's record and Kerry can focus on the issues. It's that damn simple.

 

Instead, the Kerry camp goes into "BUSH SHOULD CONDEMN THESE ADS!" mode

....And then Republicans say he's weak because he keeps throwing the ball in Bush's court.

 

And if he does nothing about the ads, Republicans say he's weak because he's trying to ignore a pressing matter.

 

There's very little forward-movement in that.

 

forgetting the fact he has already done it countless times

Winkwinknudgenudgeknowwhatimean

 

I'm tired of hearing the democrats say, "We want to move on", when the only thing stopping them IS them. If they want to beat Bush (which should have been a slam dunk) then they need to quit acting like children with a chip on their shoulder and go to work.

 

Otherwise they need to drop out of the race and let it be Bush vs Nadar or whoever.

 

Considering my dislike for Bush the politician and his choices of attorney general among others, I was prepared to vote Democratic this year. After what I have seen, I am not voting for either side of this coin.

 

 

And Mike, you're repeating the same trash I've refuted time and time and time again. First, military service isn't so important in peacetime as it is in wartime. Secondly, that video is a bunch of OOC quotes.

[Justice 0]

And Mike, you're repeating the same trash I've refuted time and time and time again. First, military service isn't so important in peacetime as it is in wartime. Secondly, that video is a bunch of OOC quotes.

*Laughs* And low-end military service isn't important when you are dealing with a strategic command rather than a tactical command. If anything, Bush and Kerry's service are almost exactly the same when it comes down to presidential qualifications: Nil. Bush's service didn't define him, and Kerry's actions AFTER the war define him more than those during.

 

Actually, those are fairly accurate of what his positions were. Seriously, even if you are his biggest fan, you have to admit that he's completely driven by public and democratic opinion when it comes to Iraq.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

He is? He was suggesting sending more troops when Democratic opinion is "OMG QUAGMIRE WE GOTTA LEAVEZ NOW"

[Guest MikeSC]

Seriously, did the democrats learn ANYTHING from the Clinton impeachment? If the country doesn't care, which they don't, then ignore the stupid attack ads and move on. It's really not that difficult.

 

Let the splinter groups chase after Kerry's record and Kerry can focus on the issues. It's that damn simple.

 

Instead, the Kerry camp goes into "BUSH SHOULD CONDEMN THESE ADS!" mode

....And then Republicans say he's weak because he keeps throwing the ball in Bush's court.

 

 

 

 

No, the GOP says he's weak because Bush condemned these ads from the get-go, has praised Kerry's service repeatedly (in spite of Kerry's open attacks on Cheney AND Bush's service) --- and it's STILL not enough for the prima donna.

And if he does nothing about the ads, Republicans say he's weak because he's trying to ignore a pressing matter.

 

There's very little forward-movement in that.

The GOP never said he was weak for ignoring the SBVT. We said the press was weak for ignoring it --- which they undoubtedly were --- but not Kerry.

 

Of course, Kerry COULD shut them up by signing a 180 form and having everything released...

And Mike, you're repeating the same trash I've refuted time and time and time again. First, military service isn't so important in peacetime as it is in wartime. Secondly, that video is a bunch of OOC quotes.

Yes, just TWELVE MINUTES of nothing but out-of-context quotes. Hold on to that.

 

You've not refuted anything. Kerry's problem, in the end, is Kerry. He's a borderline inept candidate with NO vision, whatsoever, for what he wants to do.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

He is? He was suggesting sending more troops when Democratic opinion is "OMG QUAGMIRE WE GOTTA LEAVEZ NOW"

And now he says he'll withdraw ALL troops within 4 years and replace them with foreign troops, ignoring that such a plan is impossible.

-=Mike

...He needs to find a position and stick with it for a while...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Of course, Kerry COULD shut them up by signing a 180 form and having everything released...

We went over this. None of the other documents have anything informative in them. It's all in the AARs and other papers you've already seen.

 

Yes, just TWELVE MINUTES of nothing but out-of-context quotes. Hold on to that.

 

Alright, fine. Twelve minutes of out-of-context quotes, selective editing, and facts conveniently left out for the sake of creating a compelling arguement.

[Guest MikeSC]

Of course, Kerry COULD shut them up by signing a 180 form and having everything released...

We went over this. None of the other documents have anything informative in them. It's all in the AARs and other papers you've already seen.

 

Then sign the 180 form and tell the swifties "I've signed the form. Leave me alone and let me deal with today".

 

But, he won't do that.

Yes, just TWELVE MINUTES of nothing but out-of-context quotes. Hold on to that.

Alright, fine. Twelve minutes of out-of-context quotes, selective editing, and facts conveniently left out for the sake of creating a compelling arguement.

Don't blame the GOP because Kerry gives such good material to work with.

-=Mike

[Guest GreatOne]

Don't blame the GOP because Kerry gives such good material to work with.

 

Hell I'm waiting for Leslie Nielsen to make Naked Gun 45: For The Record and reprise the restaurant scene with all the disaster pics on the wall with Kerry's picture among them (a la Dukakis in 2 1/2)

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

JOTW, how dare you claim the GOP would have an agenda with their Kerry on Iraq video~!

 

Seriously dude. Yeah.

[Styles 0]

You want a brutal ad?

 

Check outy: www.kerryoniraq.com. Vicious --- and insanely fair --- stuff.

-=Mike

Wow, I just watched it and that is truly damaging stuff, the brilliant part is its all from John Kerry's own mouth. The part that shows Dean gaining momentum as the anti-war candidate and then Kerry changing his view to win the primaries was spot on. The clip where he said it would be totally irresponsible for any senator not to vote to fund the troops, and then of course he votes ney is pretty damaging too. If anyone has 12 minutes to kill, and isn't clear on John Kerry's view of the war in Iraq, watch this...and well, his view still won't be clear, but his indecisiveness will be.

[Guest MikeSC]

You want a brutal ad?

 

Check outy: www.kerryoniraq.com. Vicious --- and insanely fair --- stuff.

      -=Mike

Wow, I just watched it and that is truly damaging stuff, the brilliant part is its all from John Kerry's own mouth. The part that shows Dean gaining momentum as the anti-war candidate and then Kerry changing his view to win the primaries was spot on. The clip where he said it would be totally irresponsible for any senator not to vote to fund the troops, and then of course he votes ney is pretty damaging too. If anyone has 12 minutes to kill, and isn't clear on John Kerry's view of the war in Iraq, watch this...and well, his view still won't be clear, but his indecisiveness will be.

They want to discuss the "issues" --- which apparently does not include Iraq, the War on Terror, or how Kerry'd handle them.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

The bolded parts are the part included in the ad. In the ad, it makes it sound like Kerry supports going to war with Saddam. In the proper context, you see that's not quite it.

 

 

GLORIA BORGER: Do we have any information that chemical and biological attacks were part of this? We got news this morning about the crop-dusting manuals.

 

KERRY: No, no, no, n--at least I don’t and not to my knowledge do any of my colleagues. But it is something that we know, for instance, Saddam Hussein has used weapons of mass destruction against his own people, and there is some evidence of their efforts to try to secure these kinds of weapons and even test them. That’s why it’s so vital that we get the global community to be part of this effort to begin to make their lives miserable.

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KERRY: Oh, I think we clearly have to keep the pressure on terrorism globally. This doesn't end with Afghanistan by any imagination. And I think the president has made that clear. I think we have made that clear. Terrorism is a global menace. It's a scourge. And it is absolutely vital that we continue, for instance, Saddam Hussein. I think we...

 

KING: We should go to Iraq?

 

KERRY: Well, that -- what do you and how you choose to do it, we have a lot of options. Absent smoking gun evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the immediate events of September 11, the president doesn't have the authorization to proceed forward there.

 

But we clearly are he ought to proceed to put pressure on him with respect to the weapons of mass destruction. I think we should be supporting an opposition. There are other ways for us, clandestinely and otherwise, to put enormous pressure on him and I think we should do it.

[Guest MikeSC]

Again, nothing but flip-flopping and a total inability to make a stand on any issue.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

And Bush hasn't flip-flopped? The guy who initially rejected a Department of Homeland Security?

 

The first quote was intentionally clipped to interpret as though he said Saddam was acquiring WMDs, when the "they" he was talking about was actually terrorists in general.

 

The second is made to sound like an endorsement of an Iraq invasion when he instead suggested outside pressure, perhaps economic or diplomatic. Not a full-on military invasion.

 

There's far more of this here. Plus there's the matter that the Republicans like to keep saying "LOL VOTED FOR THE BILLIONS BEFORE I VOTED AGAINST IT LOLOLOL" without ever mentioning the haggling on funding that money.

[Guest MikeSC]

And Bush hasn't flip-flopped? The guy who initially rejected a Department of Homeland Security?

And he changed his mnid.

 

ONCE.

 

If Kerry settled for one change of opinion per issue, it'd be peachy.

 

I wonder if his favorite movie is "Multiplicity"

The first quote was intentionally clipped to interpret as though he said Saddam was acquiring WMDs, when the "they" he was talking about was actually terrorists in general.

Kerry has said, in the past, that Saddam was also trying to acquire them --- does anybody doubt that he was, honestly? --- so, no, it was not close to being out of context.

 

He ALSO said that Saddam HAS used them --- which is undoubtedly true --- and that is why he mentions him.

The second is made to sound like an endorsement of an Iraq invasion when he instead suggested outside pressure, perhaps economic or diplomatic. Not a full-on military invasion.

He's supported A LOT of things, including giving the Pres. the authority to go to war knowing everything we know now.

 

I guess he forgot the whole "Congress has the power to declare war" thing.

There's far more of this

here. Plus there's the matter that the Republicans like to keep saying "LOL VOTED FOR THE BILLIONS BEFORE I VOTED AGAINST IT LOLOLOL" without ever mentioning the haggling on funding that money.

Kerry actually thought we should spend MORE. But, hey, as long as he's consistent.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Kerry actually thought we should spend MORE. But, hey, as long as he's consistent.

 

And he also thought there should be a rollback on the tax cuts for the wealthiest in order to pay for it.

 

Damn him and his insistence on not spending tons more than we take in!

[Guest MikeSC]

Kerry actually thought we should spend MORE. But, hey, as long as he's consistent.

 

And he also thought there should be a rollback on the tax cuts for the wealthiest in order to pay for it.

 

Damn him and his insistence on not spending tons more than we take in!

He also said it'd be real irresponsible to not vote for the money.

 

He, of course, did not vote for the money.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

And he changed his mnid.

 

ONCE.

The same guy who was against creating a 9/11 comission, then did it?

[Guest GreatOne]

Of course the people that were whining about him 'having something to hide' and 'being scared' (most, if not all, of the Bush-bashers) probably weren't concerned about Bush 'flip-flopping' on that issue at that point.

 

Well, NOW they are, which by your definition, wouldn't that constitute a flip-flop on THEIR part?

 

'Well gee I hated how he was ducking questions by not creating the 911 commission so I jumped on the 'he's hiding something' crowd, but now that that's over.........OMGFLIPFLOPLOL2004!~'

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Of course the people that were whining about him 'having something to hide' and 'being scared' (most, if not all, of the Bush-bashers) probably weren't concerned about Bush 'flip-flopping' on that issue at that point.

 

Well, NOW they are, which by your definition, wouldn't that constitute a flip-flop on THEIR part?

This is retarded. Are they running for President?

[Guest GreatOne]

I guess praticing what one preaches is a foreign idea to the left.

 

But it's OK to change your mind and be totally inconsistent with where you were a few months back as long as you're 'doing the right thing for America and voting for John Fon.....I mean Forbes Kerry' right? I mean as long as you aren't running for President!

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Do you really think the GOP cares about Kerry's flip-flops above being able to use them for political gain? I already mentioned that many of them are buried in half-truths.

[Guest GreatOne]

You could say the same about Kerry, the DNC, and Bush's guard service. So what the hell's the point there?

[SuperJerk 0]

Back to the original topic...

 

Anyone who's swayed by TV ads needs to have their head examined.

 

Watch the news (more than one source), listen to the speeches, watch the debates...then make a decision. TV ads are worthless.