AmazingRen 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Now that the PPV's are over should TNA stop the jobber matches and focus on storylines and characters tonight or should they wait until next week to begin the new format? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 9, 2004 They should have never started the jobber matches. Impact has got to be good for TNA's survival. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmpunk04 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 yeah they should drop all the squashes with post match brawls and start booking Impact as the flagship show from tonight. They are going to have to really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 I want to hear Dusty Rhodes call IMPACT "Da Muthaship". TNA needs the jobber matches inorder to put Monty Brown and other hosses like Dallas or Elite Guard over....nobody else should have a squash match. I would not mind if the show followed a formula of starting out with a comedy match featuring Shark boy, then have a Jeff Jarret interview, then have a tag match featuring either AMW, Naturals, 3 Live Cru, XXX, then quote the Raven interview, then have a X Division singles or tag match, and finish with an AJ Styles main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2004 They should've realized squash matches haven't gotten wrestlers over since the early 90's. Monte Brown is getting over because of his promo's and his attitude, and not so much his "I'LL HIT THE POUNCE [period] ON SOME JOBBA TONIGHT!" matches. Impact should be extended to two hours, and have roughly an hour's worth of wrestling, and hour's worth of commercials, interviews, and video packages. I like the overall setup of the show, with the general design of it and the way the screen looks (makes it seem very professional, and almost like a real sport), but the thing that's lacking is the PRODUCT. Change the product, and the show will be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Reine 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2004 If TNA wants to use the IMPACT to actually be, you know.... worth people's while to watch it, their going to have to do a few things: 1. Drop the time limits, or make it 20 minutes, so its more unpredictable 2. Have more title defenses on it [and actually occasionally having the NWA title defended on it] 3. Throw in a gimmick match every once in a while, a hardcore or No DQ match, just to "freshen" things up 4. Keep the segments, matches, etc. unpredictable. Don't always follow a formula. 5. Try and keep the matches to a minimum {I know that sounds weird for a wrestling show}, a good 2-3 matches on a 1 hour show would be fine. As long as each match is a good 10-15 minutes, and actually have a rhyme and reason to being so long, and they should involve better wrestlers. 6. Drop squash matches COMPLETLY. Or maybe one squash for someone to get over once a month. ONCE a MONTH. 7. Actually use Monty Brown in something OTHER than a squash. 8. Have Jarrett drop the strap. Even if it means someone like Hardy or D'Lo has it, whose considered low-card to any WWE fan turning it on, its still better than Jarrett, who WWE fans will remember as the guy Stone Cold bitched out constantly and the guy that Vince said sucked too bad to come to WWE when he bought WCW. 9. Get better announcers, or have them stop shouting and trying to put the product over so damn much. 10. Drop the Vince Russo, Dusty Rhodes, shit. 11. Now that I think about it. Drop Raven as a wrestler, and use him and Shane Douglas as the announcers, maybe keep Tenay because he has some uses to him. 12. Drop the "6 points" or whatever with the random ex-NASCAR geek. Every non-Nashville doesn't give a shit who he is or what he has to say. 13. Stop trying to be so damn hickish. There, until they get a 2 hour show, this should at least *help*, shame they still got a ton of shitty wrestlers and still book shitty, and still set-up matches in a shitty way, but whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 10, 2004 If TNA wants to use the IMPACT to actually be, you know.... worth people's while to watch it, their going to have to do a few things: 1. Drop the time limits, or make it 20 minutes, so its more unpredictable I always liked the time limit.....and I totally agree that 20 minutes is a good starting place. 2. Have more title defenses on it [and actually occasionally having the NWA title defended on it] Agree 100%. Why the hell even have a show if NOTHING important happens? 3. Throw in a gimmick match every once in a while, a hardcore or No DQ match, just to "freshen" things up Or even do something that would blow away the viewing audience. Preferrably like a 2/3 falls match or even a cage match(for something special) so that the show is a can't miss episode. 4. Keep the segments, matches, etc. unpredictable. Don't always follow a formula. This could help, but pro wrestling itself is a formula so I really don't know how much they could change this though. 5. Try and keep the matches to a minimum {I know that sounds weird for a wrestling show}, a good 2-3 matches on a 1 hour show would be fine. As long as each match is a good 10-15 minutes, and actually have a rhyme and reason to being so long, and they should involve better wrestlers. I see where you are coming from on this one and it is a good point. Only problem is with only an hour to work with and having to cram your whole roster on the show.......is asking WAY too much. 6. Drop squash matches COMPLETLY. Or maybe one squash for someone to get over once a month. ONCE a MONTH. See I agree and disagree with this one. Now, I'm not for squash matches as they are pointless for the most part. But I can understand doing one or two per show, JUST NOT EVERY MATCH. 7. Actually use Monty Brown in something OTHER than a squash. Honestly, this may be asking for trouble. They kind of have to use him at this point because they don't want him losing. That and they don't wanna job out the entire roster to get him over. So basically he just should be doing promos and stuff and keep the wrestling to a minimum.......at least for the time being. 8. Have Jarrett drop the strap. Even if it means someone like Hardy or D'Lo has it, whose considered low-card to any WWE fan turning it on, its still better than Jarrett, who WWE fans will remember as the guy Stone Cold bitched out constantly and the guy that Vince said sucked too bad to come to WWE when he bought WCW. Well, I don't remember anyone saying that JJ sucked to bad to come back....and if Vince did, then he's just bitter that JJ held him up on his last show for big bucks. Also, Jarrett should lose the belt....but not to those guys. Put the title on someone that people would actually pay to see(AJ immediately comes to mind) so that people will WANT to see the champion. The champion should ALWAYS be made into a big deal instead of a normalcy. 9. Get better announcers, or have them stop shouting and trying to put the product over so damn much. Their announcing is fine. Their jobs are to get the product over, and EVERY announcer does it. They aren't bad at all......watch RAW if you disagree.....King/JR couldn't hold Mike Tenay's nutsack, and honestly I like West's enthusiasm, it seems like he really likes being there. Plus, I'll take West having a heart attack over seeing Daniels' doing the BME over Lawler yammering about tits. 10. Drop the Vince Russo, Dusty Rhodes, shit. A fucking-men 11. Now that I think about it. Drop Raven as a wrestler, and use him and Shane Douglas as the announcers, maybe keep Tenay because he has some uses to him. Raven SHOULD be wrestling. If he isn't.....let him do creative. Also, Tenay is fine where he is......... 12. Drop the "6 points" or whatever with the random ex-NASCAR geek. Every non-Nashville doesn't give a shit who he is or what he has to say. Agreed. They need all the time they have......so don't waste it on shit like this. 13. Stop trying to be so damn hickish. Well they have to appeal to the south......but yeah, I hate it too. There, until they get a 2 hour show, this should at least *help*, shame they still got a ton of shitty wrestlers and still book shitty, and still set-up matches in a shitty way, but whatever. ditto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Their announcing is fine. Their jobs are to get the product over, and EVERY announcer does it. They aren't bad at all......watch RAW if you disagree.....King/JR couldn't hold Mike Tenay's nutsack, and honestly I like West's enthusiasm, it seems like he really likes being there. Plus, I'll take West having a heart attack over seeing Daniels' doing the BME over Lawler yammering about tits. Well said DK. I agree. I'll also add one point: Go back to the traditional ring. The 6 sided gimmick is done, and I don't thnk it made a real difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Their announcing is fine. Their jobs are to get the product over, and EVERY announcer does it. They aren't bad at all......watch RAW if you disagree.....King/JR couldn't hold Mike Tenay's nutsack, and honestly I like West's enthusiasm, it seems like he really likes being there. Plus, I'll take West having a heart attack over seeing Daniels' doing the BME over Lawler yammering about tits. Well said DK. I agree. I'll also add one point: Go back to the traditional ring. The 6 sided gimmick is done, and I don't thnk it made a real difference. I actually don't mind the 6 sided ring, but they should go to the original though.......the 6 sided ring comes off too much like gimmick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 10, 2004 I don't think it has really affected the match quality in any way, good or bad, but it just stands out so much as being different. If you're gonna draw that much attention to your ring, you have to use the difference in the matches. It's like having a cage match, but never touching the cage, or never having it affect the finish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 10, 2004 I would agree with that WMD, and think about this.....what could they REALLY do that would serve the purpose of having the ring that way? The only time the ring was used to it's effect was the six sided cage, that I especially wasn't big on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 10, 2004 I can't think of any advantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exslade ZX 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2004 IMO..the 6 sided ring is now...what makes TNA, TNA. Really. IMO it just wouldn't even look right with a regular ring anymore...I enjoy watching in the six sided ring. And going by just this first match on Impact...looks like yea, ,maybe they will stop the jobber matches. But common sense says they would..seing as the point of that was to build up that wrestlers could win before their ppv match..and now, they dont have a ppv match, so they're gonna have to start their feuds on Impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 10, 2004 How does the six sided ring make TNA now? Considering that the best periods of action from the company were before they had the new ring, and the best match in company history wasn't delivered in the six sided ring either. So I call bunk on that one...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exslade ZX 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Well I worded it wrong then, but in ways it gives them that 'edge' or whatever, that says hey..'we're something different from your usual WWE' even though really..it isnt. It's just something, different. And something I know many people like. It just looks better IMO..but to each his own I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Well I worded it wrong then, but in ways it gives them that 'edge' or whatever, that says hey..'we're something different from your usual WWE' even though really..it isnt. It's just something, different. And something I know many people like. It just looks better IMO..but to each his own I guess. If you read above you would see that I actually don't mind the 6 sided ring. It just makes it look like they need a gimmick to get people's attention. I was just making a statement that people might get a busch league feel to the show because of the ring itself. Also, as WMD made the point earlier, it's basically for decoration considering they never use the structure for any special reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Yeah, my main thing is; what's the point? What was the flaw in the 4-sided ring that needed to be upgraded? What advantage is there to a 6 sided ring? I just don't see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Yeah, my main thing is; what's the point? What was the flaw in the 4-sided ring that needed to be upgraded? What advantage is there to a 6 sided ring? I just don't see it. That was my point exactly, like the only reason it's TNA uses it is because it's a gimmick. Otherwise they would just have kept the same old ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Reine 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2004 I think TNA wants to throw in a "real" look to it, much like the UFC's 8-sided ring, however they feel miserably, because of two major things: 1. Most of their wrestlers suck and the matches look horrible, NOT REAL 2. It's still Pro Wrestling, and everyone knows its not real. Especially their target audience, hicks and 14 year old smarks on internet sites like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fiscusalicious Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Yeah, my main thing is; what's the point? What was the flaw in the 4-sided ring that needed to be upgraded? What advantage is there to a 6 sided ring? I just don't see it. That was my point exactly, like the only reason it's TNA uses it is because it's a gimmick. Otherwise they would just have kept the same old ring. of course its a gimmick, alot of good federations have a gimmick. ie. Ring of Honor has their code of honor gimmick. That is a gimmick, and you never hear people complain about it the way you do the TNA ring. You've just got to accept it for what it is, something that makes the federation seem different on first glance from any other federation. It's all about being an attention catcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fiscusalicious Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Yeah, my main thing is; what's the point? What was the flaw in the 4-sided ring that needed to be upgraded? What advantage is there to a 6 sided ring? I just don't see it. That was my point exactly, like the only reason it's TNA uses it is because it's a gimmick. Otherwise they would just have kept the same old ring. of course its a gimmick, alot of good federations have a gimmick. ie. Ring of Honor has their code of honor gimmick. That is a gimmick, and you never hear people complain about it the way you do the TNA ring. You've just got to accept it for what it is, something that makes the federation seem different on first glance from any other federation. It's all about being an attention catcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2004 I don't mind the six-sided ring, but I do believe it should be utilised better. Have someone use a submission *gasp* on a champ, and have the six sided ring cost them the belt because of the extra turnbuckle making the ropes farther away. Subtle things make the difference. On a side note: A mark friend of mine watched Impact! with me, and really liked the six-sided ring. He also liked the X-division matches, and Jeff Hardy. And yes, his is a hick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 14, 2004 I don't mind the six-sided ring, but I do believe it should be utilised better. Have someone use a submission *gasp* on a champ, and have the six sided ring cost them the belt because of the extra turnbuckle making the ropes farther away. Subtle things make the difference. On a side note: A mark friend of mine watched Impact! with me, and really liked the six-sided ring. He also liked the X-division matches, and Jeff Hardy. And yes, his is a hick. nice scenerio there with the six sided ring. That's exactly what I was talking about as they needed to use the shape of it..... Your friend that likes Jeff Hardy........is he a gay hick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magus 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2004 I don't mind the six-sided ring, but I do believe it should be utilised better. Have someone use a submission *gasp* on a champ, and have the six sided ring cost them the belt because of the extra turnbuckle making the ropes farther away. Subtle things make the difference. On a side note: A mark friend of mine watched Impact! with me, and really liked the six-sided ring. He also liked the X-division matches, and Jeff Hardy. And yes, his is a hick. If they said that, TNA could actually make submissions mean more in their matches than in the traditional 4 sided rings. Little nuances like that can make the ring serve a purpose besides just being different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites