Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 29, 2004 JJ/Hardy should be at least *** 1/2 Seriously? I think you're joking... but if not, that would be the best match either man EVER had. JJ has been right there, but Hardy in singles action can't even come close. PLus, now he's even worse than he was a few years ago. If the main is JJ/Monty, I think that is better. It won't be a great match by any stretch, but if built properly could draw a few viewers. One thing though: They cannot do a screwball finish with Jarrett keeping the title. If they go through with this, Jarrett must lose clean, or Monty must be de-pushed. No guitar-shot, d-q crapolla. Um, I could mention that you are speaking to INXS, who has never been correct on anything. Ever. TNA gives me a very ECW post-TNN vibe. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2004 How did I insult you swiggy? Raven/Monty - WTF? Is there honestly anyone that wants to see this match? If you do want to see this match......why? Monty is just terrible and Raven hasn't shown ANYTHING of value in quite some time. This is such a waste to me it's not even funny. It's not really an insult, I just said I've been wanting Monty to work with a veteran like Raven. It was more just a reason for me to throw a gay porn joke at WMD, which he threw back in my face. That's the end of that. Anyhow, I think that no matter whether it's JJ/Brown or JJ/Hardy, it's still a disappointing main event. No true name in the lights to get the attention of the casual fan, even if Raven is on the card. They waited WAY too long to switch to the monthly PPV style. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 29, 2004 I would agree Swiggy. I looks like another case of too little, too late for TNA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 29, 2004 You know what? I just realized that it is too late for TNA to take the belt off JJ and put him on the back burner. If they do that now, they've wasted 2 years of build. Their only choice now is to make people see JJ as a legit world champion. How do they do this? 1) Beat Monty Brown in a clean, hard fought match with JJ showing he is clearly a better wrestler than the stronger Brown. 2) Involve JJ in a real feud that results in classic matches. They must build this feud so that the audience believes the challenger can win. The challenger must win some of the matches. The only folks on the roster who could possibly pull this off are AJ, Daniels, and Jerry Lynn. The only free agents that I think could do it are Kanyon, and Jamie Noble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted September 29, 2004 Is it sad that I'll probably watch Victory Road just to see if Scott Hall & Kevin Nash show up? I know that most people think they're past their primes, but they helped WCW and I'm a Scott Hall mark. Besides, maybe it would make more people pay attention to the "bush league" TNA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 29, 2004 Is it sad that I'll probably watch Victory Road just to see if Scott Hall & Kevin Nash show up? I know that most people think they're past their primes, but they helped WCW and I'm a Scott Hall mark. Besides, maybe it would make more people pay attention to the "bush league" TNA. Actually Coffey.....I think them bringing in Hall and Nash for this makes them look even more "bush league". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted September 29, 2004 I don't. People know who they are and associate their names with big time wrestling. Something you won't get from people like AJ Styles and Monty Brown. They might not be the best WRESTLERS, but their names definitely matter more than Jeff Jarrett, Raven & Jeff Hardy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 29, 2004 I don't. People know who they are and associate their names with big time wrestling. Something you won't get from people like AJ Styles and Monty Brown. They might not be the best WRESTLERS, but their names definitely matter more than Jeff Jarrett, Raven & Jeff Hardy. They are associated with big time wrestling THAT FAILED. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted September 29, 2004 I'd rather see the return of Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Buff Bagwell than Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. Sure, Hall is fine, but bringing NASH with him is asking for trouble and when both are together...yeesh! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 29, 2004 I'd rather see the return of Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Buff Bagwell OK, once again someone has gone too far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack Malibu 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2004 Based (mostly) on what's going on/supposed to happen, here's what I wouldn't mind as a Victory Road card. Jarrett/Brown for the NWA World Title (although agreed, a stip may be necessary) NWA World Tag Team Titles Ultimate X Match: Shane/Kazarian vs. Triple X Jeff Hardy vs. Kid Kash Raven vs. Abyss (perhaps if the rumors of Mitchell, Slash, and Lex Lovett coming in as the new New Church (which Raven is supposed to join), that could be a backdrop to this match) X Title: AJ Styles vs. Petey Williams America's Most Wanted (accompanied by Rhodes) vs. The Outsiders (w/ Russo) 10 Man Tag Elimination Match: 3 Live Kru, Mikey Batts and Jerrelle Clark vs. Team Canada (Devine, Rude and Young) and The Naturals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted September 29, 2004 I don't understand how people would associate Hall & Nash with failure. They were over in WCW and the NWO made big money. Then they went to WWE and were over again. Whatever, believe what you want, because they're coming.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magus 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2004 Based (mostly) on what's going on/supposed to happen, here's what I wouldn't mind as a Victory Road card. Jarrett/Brown for the NWA World Title (although agreed, a stip may be necessary) NWA World Tag Team Titles Ultimate X Match: Shane/Kazarian vs. Triple X Jeff Hardy vs. Kid Kash Raven vs. Abyss (perhaps if the rumors of Mitchell, Slash, and Lex Lovett coming in as the new New Church (which Raven is supposed to join), that could be a backdrop to this match) X Title: AJ Styles vs. Petey Williams America's Most Wanted (accompanied by Rhodes) vs. The Outsiders (w/ Russo) 10 Man Tag Elimination Match: 3 Live Kru, Mikey Batts and Jerrelle Clark vs. Team Canada (Devine, Rude and Young) and The Naturals That's actually a damn good card for a show. The only problem with that is the tag team division is hopelessly lost right now, and Divine may not be able to work the show. Other than that its good. On another note, I heard that TNA wants to bring in a LOT of names for Victory Road. Hall, Nash, Sean Waltman, Sting, Terry Funk, DDP, and Piper were all mentioned. Maybe... just maybe... they're only being brought in as special attractions? As long as most of them don't wrestle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 30, 2004 I don't understand how people would associate Hall & Nash with failure. They were over in WCW and the NWO made big money. Then they went to WWE and were over again. Whatever, believe what you want, because they're coming.... You don't see how the Outsiders are associated with failure? That's an easy one. Nash as Diesel was the lowest drawing champion in the history of the WWE. Hell, the nWo gimmick is not only the angle that put WCW on top, but their failure to realize when it should have been killed mixed in with all of the political bullshit of Hall/Nash helped lead to the company being defunct. Also, the nWo made big money, yet WCW still managed to only make money(or profit) for a short period of time in their entire existance. Also, as far as I remember the only thing about the nWo that was over was Hogan. Thus a major reason why the WWE kept him and let go of the others. Nash was used in a main event program that was a MAJOR failure, and Hall was fired for his usual asshole antics. I don't see how they can be called a success.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 30, 2004 Hall is too old to be usefull, and unfortunately squanderred the talent of his youth by staying messed up all the time. Nash will blow a knee on the way to the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 30, 2004 Hall is too old to be usefull, and unfortunately squanderred the talent of his youth by staying messed up all the time. Nash will blow a knee on the way to the ring. Yep. That about sums it up..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 30, 2004 I can't believe noone commented on my revelation that Jarrett must keep the belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 30, 2004 I can't believe noone commented on my revelation that Jarrett must keep the belt. Yeah, I think most people are avoiding the flame war..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2004 What is the last time Scott Hall & Kevin Nash have teamed in a 2 on 2 tag match as the Outsiders? Over 4 years. I'd like to see it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2004 The thing with bringing in Hall and Nash is the same as bringing in Hogan. People who watched WCW back in the day will see them on TV and go "Dude, what? Kevin Nash and Scott Hall? I remember when they fucking rocked! They should retire." I swear, when Hogan was back in WWE, I heard that about twice a week in the dorms. Not to mention that Hall looks like what he has been.... an out of shape alcoholic. And Kevin Nash is lucky his neck doesn't go out when he flips his hair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 30, 2004 I figured I would throw this out there just for the topic of convo. But here goes.... Okay, TNA is apparently bringing in the Outsiders. Say it does boost the buyrates because they are on the show. But what are people going to do when they tune in and see The Outsiders, a team they used to love and now they are WAY worse off than they used to be? Just wanted to throw that out there........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2004 "Dude, what? Kevin Nash and Scott Hall? I remember when they fucking rocked! They should retire." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 30, 2004 "Dude, what? Kevin Nash and Scott Hall? I remember when they fucking rocked! They should retire." That's all I wanted to hear.....thank you. I truly think this could REALLY put the nail in the coffin for them...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2004 I remember getting friends to watch the Raw where World Champion Hulk Hogan fought William Regal. They mocked Hogan's wrinkled self and laughed at me for suggesting anything involving an old, washed up has been as the champion could be entertaining. Same will go for Hall & Nash, methinks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Based (mostly) on what's going on/supposed to happen, here's what I wouldn't mind as a Victory Road card. Jarrett/Brown for the NWA World Title (although agreed, a stip may be necessary) NWA World Tag Team Titles Ultimate X Match: Shane/Kazarian vs. Triple X Jeff Hardy vs. Kid Kash Raven vs. Abyss (perhaps if the rumors of Mitchell, Slash, and Lex Lovett coming in as the new New Church (which Raven is supposed to join), that could be a backdrop to this match) X Title: AJ Styles vs. Petey Williams America's Most Wanted (accompanied by Rhodes) vs. The Outsiders (w/ Russo) 10 Man Tag Elimination Match: 3 Live Kru, Mikey Batts and Jerrelle Clark vs. Team Canada (Devine, Rude and Young) and The Naturals Re: THE NWA world title picture in my honest opinion looks like this - It will most probably be Jarrett-Brown, but who is the face? Also, what stip? How could this possibly have a stip? I agree that Jarrett should keep the belt if he is up against Brown but he needs to go over CLEAN, and that doesnt mean hitting Brown over the head with that blasted guitar or a brawl. If anything, Jarrett jumps Brown before he gets to the ring. If it is Jarrett-Hardy, it has to be a ladder match, hyping up Hardy's ability in such matches. Again, Jarrett should win, as hes overcoming the odds. Least remote, but my favourite, is Jarrett-Raven, although this was killed ages ago, just like Raven-Sabu (which should have been before the ME inovling Jarrett at Victory Road). I still believe Russo should be commenting on this and realise that he prefers Jarrett over Raven (go back to the week before Jarrett-Styles Cage match for the pick), but before he manages to interfere Jim Mitchell takes him out with a steel chair. Hence, Raven turns heel by selling his soul to the devil. This is the only way they can save Raven and the company, since Jarrett, Hogan and Bound for Glory put it on life support. Re: Tag Belts - I like Shane\Kazarian vs XXX, since the Naturals and AMW have been way overused, and are responsible for burying the division. But wouldnt this be Ultimate X 5? They are are going to ruin this idea like HitC, the last good one was HHH-Jericho. Overused special stips decrease their importance, they should only be used as a blow off to a huge feud. It shouldnt be used as a special attraction! Re: Hardy-Kash, why, why, why? Kid Kash should be gunning for the X Division Titles, and so should Jeff for that matter. Only if its for the Number 1 Contendership. Whilst on the X Division, last time I checked, titles not being the main title are there to elevate people. Once your in the ME picture, you dont go back to them, unless out of action for a long period of time. What is AJ Styles doing going for the X Division. He has achieved ME status. That means he is either going for the World Title, or number 1 contendership or an offshot feud derived from the first two. Petey Williams I like, but he should be up against people to solidfy his regin. He is a tweaner. Therefore, put him in with Kash or Lynn. Re: Raven-Abyss. Again, if it does go ahead, should be Number 1 Contendership. They had something with Abyss, a big man who wasnt a hose, but never getting a title shot & Goldy killed him. Re: Outsiders. Why would they align with Russo, when its Jarrett whose bringing them in? I like them coming in though. Old talent can be used to getting younger talent over, but still leave with their reputations intact, hence short stays. Jarrett opens the door for them. They resue him from Brown, ie Nash, Hall, Sean & Shane. The New Klique. Then the next night have them turn on JJJ. Outsiders then lose a tag match (Nash & Hall vs DOUGLAS - major heat with Klique & JAMES - good friend of Jarretts). The stip is Nash cant go for THE world title, but instead Hall wins it after a month or so. We then get Hall vs Douglas for the world title. Imagine the promos. Random Thoughts: Somebody mentioned Christopher Daniels and Jerry Lynn in THE World Title picture. I concur. They both deserve it. I also think that Sting should be made the promoter of TNA. He has never wrestled for the WWE (but lose the face paint and very random apperances - no more than 4 times a year and thats top) Take this email as constructive, a state of TNA address if you will and not getting at anybody. Sorry for long post, but wanted to get that off my chest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 This post was on another board about what matches someone wanted on the VR show. For some reason it amused me. ====== Disgraceland/w Scott Da' More vs. Red (Opening X-division bout) Jeff Hardy vs. Michael Shane Petey Williams/w Desire vs. Sonny Siaki (X-title) Jerry Lynn vs. Chris Harris Jerry Lynn vs. James Storm David Flair vs. Simon Diamond (Hard Russo match) DLO Brown vs. Jeff Jarrett (World Title) Plus: Steiner,Nash,Hall,Monty Brown, 3LK, Sanders, Glen Gilberti, all in attendance. With matches like this.. Who needs the real Victory Road. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
