Guest DeputyHawk Report post Posted October 2, 2004 from www.socaluncensored.com To the fans and wrestlers of the Southern California independent wrestling organizations: My name is not important, although some of you will flame me for not “having the balls” to attach it. My reasons for not attaching my name are fairly simple. I would like to get booked in the area without having to feel a negative backlash from a predominately “internet” fan base or, perhaps worse, not be booked at all. By saying the above, of course it’s plain to see that I am a wrestler. In fact I have been for years, and with few exceptions, I would surmise that would be a “senior man” on any card. I have competed in the WWF and WCW, wrestled internationally, and have been in most “major” independents at some point or another. I give you this information only to give a glimpse into my credentials, to show that I am NOT some guy spouting an opinion. In fact, anyone reading this would surely know who I am. I’ve already told you why I’ve chosen to not include my name. The purpose of this is also very simple. It’s a plea for help. For help in fixing your place in the industry in which you’ve chosen to take an interest. “Your place” meaning the Southern California “wrestling territory”. I use the term territory figuratively of course. Some of you will be wondering, “What needs fixing?” Those asking that are precisely the people I am targeting. Let me be frank. EVERYTHING needs fixing. The promoters, the wrestlers, and the fans alike. Now before you get defensive, please, hear me out. First, the promoters. Those who “promote”. Why does PWG only draw between 100-250 fans with stacked lineups when ROH has gone over 1000? Why does AWS do the same? What about other groups such as Martin Marin’s? It’s an easy answer, really. ADVERTISE. Get the word out. Put your name in people’s faces. Offer your wares to a larger audience. Promoters today think that means post on the net, or tell other internet followers. NEWS FLASH! The internet fans will be at the show. Drawing the families and other fans is a much more daunting task. And yes, it takes money. No one said it was easy. Second, the wrestlers. And honestly, I have a really hard time using that term with the performers in Southern CA. Truly, I can count on one hand the locals in your area that I consider “wrestlers”. Wearing a mask and flashy tights doesn’t make you a wrestler. Forearming someone in the face because they do it in ROH doesn’t make you a wrestler. Jumping through tables and using weed whackers doesn’t make you a wrestler. Working the opener and then sitting in the crowd for the rest of the show doesn’t make you a wrestler. Having a match and then running home to your internet connection doesn’t make you a wrestler. I suppose my biggest gripe with SoCal is to its “wrestlers”. Please guys and girls, learn your craft, the nuances of it. Listen to your veterans, ask their opinions, and PLEASE for the love of God get trained. By a reputable trainer preferably (i.e. NOT Ron Rivera). But you’ve heard all this before…just repeating banter…. Thirdly, the fans. Oh, the fans. Southern CA’s fans suck. And it isn’t their fault. Why should wrestling be exciting or a spectacle to anyone when half the roster sits in the crowd after their match? Why would these people be so special as to cheer for them when they go out to eat with the fans that bought a ticket and discuss booking ideas? Why should they buy the merchandise that their “buddy” is selling? One could blame the internet, but that’s too easy. I blame the wrestlers. They are the ones that forgot that successful wrestling suspends reality. You never see Ric Flair sitting in Denny’s with a group of fans, and as a result it IS cool when you do see him. Same with Samoa Joe. Or CM Punk. Or Adam Pearce. Or Chris Daniels. Or the luchadors at AWS. Or the name talent that Rick Bassman brings in. Or anyone else that has wrestled in your area that I’d consider a “wrestler”. I ask you, is there not a pointed difference in those names when compared to other Socal regulars? Be honest. The “wrestlers” have killed their own crowd. And it isn’t a secret amongst “the boys” either. Everyone knows that the Socal crowds are horrible. But they aren’t horrible because they choose to be. They are horrible because they don’t know any better. Of course that can be changed, all it’d take is a little kayfabe, a little respect for the business and those who came before you, and for the smart fans to realize if they were really in tune with what wrestlers want, they’d cheer the babyfaces and boo the heels. They might even have fun while they’re at it. But that can’t happen as long as EVERYONE is IN the business. I am aware that this sounds scathing and trite, and I honestly don't mean it to be that way. I am just afraid that this area may be killed off so badly that it will invariably inhibit anyone from doing decent business, be it as a promoter, wrestler, or a consumer buying the product. Be open minded. Anonymous What do you reckon: Chris Daniels? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Probably some old timer who can't get booked as much as he used to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest suplexmasta Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Chris Daniels was the first name I thought of, as soon as he gave the credentials of WWF, WCW, international, and all the major indies, plus an assumed stint in SoCal for awhile. It sort of sounds like his writing style from his website, but that's pretty tenuous. Who else could it be that fit those requirements? Somebody make a list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Raven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Markingout Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Mike Modest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Modest was my guess as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeathBecomesYou Report post Posted October 2, 2004 I figured Modest too, until I thought about the part saying he wants to be booked in the area. Doesn't Modest already work in So Cal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Markingout Report post Posted October 2, 2004 I figured Modest too, until I thought about the part saying he wants to be booked in the area. Doesn't Modest already work in So Cal? He works No-Cal with PWI, and now PWI is touring to the mid-west. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Dark Age, it wouldn't be Raven. Raven would admit it himself, since he doesn't care what bridges he burns (considering most of those bridge get repaired because promoters realize how good the guy is). Also, Raven's gripe isn't with how fans interact with the wrestlers, but what the wrestlers do in the ring. I'd guess either Daniels or Modest, more than likely Modest. I don't think Daniels does too many SoCal bookings anymore, considering the "major" California promotions are SoCal promotions, and TNA has issues with their talent working for rival promotions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Chasing Dogma Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Listen to your veterans, ask their opinions, and PLEASE for the love of God get trained. By a reputable trainer preferably (i.e. NOT Ron Rivera). But you’ve heard all this before…just repeating banter…. Wasnt this guy linked to XPW at one time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest netslob Report post Posted October 2, 2004 isn't Ron Rivera American Wild Child? and doesn't he own Rev Pro? and Dogma, i think your thinking of Larry Rivera, who was an announcer in XPW, altho i think AWC worked for them too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoRisk 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 I don't think it's Daniels, since this guy mentions that Daniels doesn't eat with "fans" at Denny's, and I've shared a table with him at Denny's before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 I don't think Modest knows that much about recent SoCal to know that wrestlers are going to Denny's with the fans (I'd reccomend the Super Bird BTW) or know anything about AWS. Judging from the credentials it can only be Adam Pearce. But apparently he's denied it.... so I really don't know. Maybe a Ballard Brother... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Either way, Cal has been a wrestling wasteland for years. I really don't know what they could do now to pull it back. Same here in Michigan, there is nothing going on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thuganomics 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 I'd say Vampiro, but he doesn't curse nearly enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SoCalTF Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Either way, Cal has been a wrestling wasteland for years. Um, UPW draws well when they hold major shows, Lucha VaVoom is touring Canada and the Mid West this month and they draw over 1000 every show they run in Cali, the WWE sold out Wrestlemania in under 10 minutes IIRC. To say California is a wasteland is rediculous especialy considering attendence for PWG has been on the rise lately with almost zero promotion except for the internet. A promotion called EWF which runs in a small town draws almost 300 people a show with no advertisment except at their shows. I'm sure you can say Northern California is a wasteland but you can't really say that about So Cal(especialy since it is the entertainment capital of the world). As for the wrestler: It can't be Daniels seeing as he mingles with fans at shows and is out of character during the shows and isn't always backstage. Pearce I can kinda see, but it'd be him being nothing of a hypocryte since he's been involved in matches with tables and thumbtacks and also mingles with fans after shows and posts on internet boards(which I guess is breaking kayfabe! Old School my ass). The Ballards I can see, but they haven't been in WCW, have done tables and ladder spots, dress up in costumes and masks and all that. I think it might be Donavon Morgan since he got shit on for his terrible match with CM Punk. Plus whoever took a shot at Ron Rivera can eat a dick straight up seeing as Ron helped put out some of the best workers So Cal has to offer(Super Dragon, TARO, Scorpio Sky, Rising Ron, Mr. Excitment, Chris Bosh, Quicksilver, Phoenix Star, Zokre, Human Tornado, and much more) and had connections to WCW(Blitzkrieg got his job from a dark match with Dragon and Rivera and some other guy and they got the match from Ron's connection with Konnan). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted October 3, 2004 I'll go with a different guess: Fake Hey, no one else I don't think said it yet, so I threw my hat into the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites