Guest bigm350 Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 When HHH's in ring career ends( probably in another 30 years ), how do you think he will be remembered? Will he be remembered in the same legendary company as Flair, Race, Steamboat, Hogan, Austin, HBK, Hart, etc; or will he be known as really a never was. A guy who will only be remembered for getting to where he was because of his relationship with Steph? What will the history book look like for HHH?
Guest Loss Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 His story is still being told. I don't think I can answer this question yet.
Black Lushus Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 from a mark perspective, he's one of the most hated bad guys ever and will go down in history as that as well as a great champion... to us, we can't wait for him to tear another quad already...
Guest bigm350 Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 I think from an overall perspective he will be remembered as a good champ. Just as long as he doesn't run the WWE into the ground; which could be a possibility.
Black Lushus Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 honestly, i don't really care how much he's on Raw hoggin up all the airtime, I think he's a good worker, good talker and I really don't see anyone currently on there that can draw as well as he does...he is one of the best heels we've seen in years...i mean Hogan ran the WWE as the top face, why not have HHH run Raw as the top heel...I enjoyed the WWE back then, I still somewhat enjoy it now...so yes, I would put him up there in the upper echelons...at this point anyway, let's see what the future has to bring...
Slayer Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 from a mark perspective, he's one of the most hated bad guys ever and will go down in history as that as well as a great champion... What he said From a smark perspective, he'll be looked at as the guy who got where he was by getting in Vince's ear. Essentially, he's Hogan2K, minus the charisma and likeability
Guest wrestlingbs Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Essentially, he's Hogan2K, minus the charisma and likeability Exactly. If HHH doesn't change his ways from now until he retires he'll be remembered as the second coming of Hogan, not popularity wise but as a great backstage politican who conned and manipulated to keep his position at the top.
Guest Loss Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 honestly, i don't really care how much he's on Raw hoggin up all the airtime, I think he's a good worker, good talker and I really don't see anyone currently on there that can draw as well as he does He's not a draw. Business has dropped 60% since 2000. ...he is one of the best heels we've seen in years... With the push HHH has, people should be jumping over the rails to get to him and the promise of him losing a title should sell out an arena, easily. i mean Hogan ran the WWE as the top face, why not have HHH run Raw as the top heel Hogan is the biggest star of all time. There's no comparison. Hogan made the company money.
Black Lushus Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 <-------pwned Can we honestly attribute that all to HHH though...I meanif there are facts and figures out there, okay, but perhaps today's world doesn't care as much about wrestling as it did pre-2000...like all of us, you eventually grow up and realize you don't like wrestling as much as you used to...
Guest Loss Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Exactly. If HHH doesn't change his ways from now until he retires he'll be remembered as the second coming of Hogan, not popularity wise but as a great backstage politican who conned and manipulated to keep his position at the top. Austin and Rock were the second coming of Hogan -- the new stars to usher in a new era and shake things up and break records. HHH isn't in the same league. Hogan pulled a lot of strings and was unnecessarily insecure, but he also sold a lot of tickets and made the company a lot of money, which HHH doesn't do.
Guest Loss Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 <-------pwned Can we honestly attribute that all to HHH though...I meanif there are facts and figures out there, okay, but perhaps today's world doesn't care as much about wrestling as it did pre-2000...like all of us, you eventually grow up and realize you don't like wrestling as much as you used to... HHH has been the top star during the entire decline. He is the reason people don't care about the product anymore -- not the sole reason, but the main reason.
Black Lushus Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 I suppose...personally, i stopped watching the WWE as close after the WCW buyout and the brand extension...had nothing to do with HHH being on top, I don't have a huge problem with him personally...I don't remember anything from 2001 to around WM time 2004...but I suppose I'm just one guy...
geniusMoment Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 The difference between guys like Flair, Hogan, Austin and HHH is that HHH never was big enough to be a sole draw. Austin, Hogan and Flair had the ability, at their hottest, to basically make any promotion, with any roster, money. HHH drew well in 2000, but Rock was a bigger star, people paid to see Foley in the early feud, the radicals had just jumped giving the WWF new feuds, WCW completely collapsed, when HHH took over the company was already doing great business, Chris Jericho also added to the depth of the roster and Kurt Angle took off like no one thought he could. Basically, everything went right around HHH. Almost anyone I mentioned could have made major money in 2000. Since then I give him credit for nothing, I find his 70s style boring and outdated, his promos seem 10 minutes too long and bore me to death and his whole persona is incredibly stale. Yet, the only time he played an effective face was during the DX days in '98, and I do not feel he will go back to that persona.
Guest Loss Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 I suppose...personally, i stopped watching the WWE as close after the WCW buyout and the brand extension...had nothing to do with HHH being on top, I don't have a huge problem with him personally...I don't remember anything from 2001 to around WM time 2004...but I suppose I'm just one guy... Well, the buyout and the way the inVasion was fumbled had a lot to do with it too, honestly. You stopped watching around the time HHH really started slipping. Every single feud of the past three years has had him coming out the real winner at the end. No one believes he can be beaten for good, and he's a heel, so why even care?
Brett Favre Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 He'll be remembered in the same boat Randy Savaged is remembered. As a secondary star to a Hogan, to an Austin, to a Rock.
Guest krazykat72 Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 HHH has been the top star during the entire decline. He is the reason people don't care about the product anymore -- not the sole reason, but the main reason. No, he's not. The botched Invasion and the mainstream popularity of wrestling as a fad had far more to do with it. The steep declines really started with the Austin heel turn and after they messed up the Invasion, destroyed the NWO angle, screwed up how to use Goldberg, etc, etc. Triple H and his over saturation is a reason for the decline, but to call him the main reason is incredible inaccurate and short sighted. -Paul jacobi-
Brett Favre Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 HHH has been the top star during the entire decline. He is the reason people don't care about the product anymore -- not the sole reason, but the main reason. No, he's not. The botched Invasion and the mainstream popularity of wrestling as a fad had far more to do with it. The steep declines really started with the Austin heel turn and after they messed up the Invasion, destroyed the NWO angle, screwed up how to use Goldberg, etc, etc. Triple H and his over saturation is a reason for the decline, but to call him the main reason is incredible inaccurate and short sighted. -Paul jacobi- The MAJOR decline started when Jericho lost the title.
Black Lushus Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 that sucks too, Cena's Writer because I always loved heel Savage over any of these other fuckers...
Hunter's Torn Quad Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Triple H and his over saturation is a reason for the decline, but to call him the main reason is incredible inaccurate and short sighted. Triple H's neverending push is the one constant over these past few years of constant decline. Seems like he'd be the main reason for it to me.
Guest bigm350 Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 He'll be remembered in the same boat Randy Savaged is remembered. As a secondary star to a Hogan, to an Austin, to a Rock. That sounds pretty accurate to me, bro.
Brett Favre Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 that sucks too, Cena's Writer because I always loved heel Savage over any of these other fuckers... Savaged was just unlucky. I mean, you can't get worse than being in the Hogan era.
dubq Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Triple H and his over saturation is a reason for the decline, but to call him the main reason is incredible inaccurate and short sighted. Triple H's neverending push is the one constant over these past few years of constant decline. Seems like he'd be the main reason for it to me. It's a good thing you're an expert on business, too, then.
Black Lushus Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 I will say that HHH wishes he could be half the heel Savage was...Jericho is close when he's a heel, but he was no Savage either...
geniusMoment Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Depending on what happens over the next few years, maybe he will not even be remembered for what he did in the ring. Maybe he will be remembered like Vince McMahon is now.
Guest bigm350 Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Savage was an awesome heel. Probably because his psychotic personality was more of a shoot than a work.
Black Lushus Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Triple H and his over saturation is a reason for the decline, but to call him the main reason is incredible inaccurate and short sighted. Triple H's neverending push is the one constant over these past few years of constant decline. Seems like he'd be the main reason for it to me. It's a good thing you're an expert on business, too, then. to follow up on that...to all the experts of the wrestling business, this post 2000 decline that you speak of, is it similar to the state of wrestling PRIOR to the Steve Austin boom or is it worse?
Hunter's Torn Quad Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Triple H and his over saturation is a reason for the decline, but to call him the main reason is incredible inaccurate and short sighted. Triple H's neverending push is the one constant over these past few years of constant decline. Seems like he'd be the main reason for it to me. It's a good thing you're an expert on business, too, then. Feel free to try and come up with a good counterpoint if you can. Triple H's neverending push, to the point of reducing everyone else to bit players, is a key reason that things haven't improved, because things are stagnant. How can things get better if they never change ?
Black Lushus Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 yeah but at the same time all we hear constantly is Benoit hasn't helped business, Orton hasn't helped business, Jericho hasn't helped business, HBK hasn't helped business...so if that's the case, what does it matter is HHH is on top or not?
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 The problem with other guys is that even if they have the title they still play second fiddle to HHH. Benoit only got treated like a top guy during his reign if he was defending against HHH. Otherwise whatever HHH was doing got a lot more airtime than he did.
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