RNC sends a 'cease & desist' to Rock the Vote

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

http://americablog.blogspot.com/rncrockthevote.pdf

 

Yet, as you must be aware, this urban myth regarding a draft has been thoroughly debunked by no less than the President of the United States, who explicitly stated, "We don't need the draft. Look, the all-volunteer Army is working..."

 

thoroughly?

 

ok then

[NoCalMike 0]

Freedom of Speech?

 

I mean if the speakers feel the Republicans are going to try and bring back a draft, then they can say it if they want to, right? Hell, Stolen Honor is being aired despite not containing any facts, just opinion, and the fact that is was only made 5 weeks ago.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

No, because it's fraud.

 

This thing is registering voters so they need to have their facts right. When your accusing one party of something that the other one is actually doing then they need to stop.

 

They can spout all the shit they want as long as they aren't registering voters.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Actually.. the claim appears to be "it's partisan"

 

http://downloads.rockthevote.com/multimedi...ideos/draft.mov

 

and man.. they socked it to Bush there

[Guest Cerebus]

You would think 18-24 year olds live in an economically prosperous and safe bubble where only the threat of TEHDRAFT~! can touch them, therefore its their only issue.

 

Any coincidence that 50% of 18-24 year olds now feel that if Bush is re-elected there will be a draft as opposed to 8% for Kerry and that ROCKTEHVOTE2004~! (LOL) won't shut up about it?

 

But they say they're non-partisan. So it must be true.

[NoCalMike 0]

No, because it's fraud.

 

This thing is registering voters so they need to have their facts right.  When your accusing one party of something that the other one is actually doing then they need to stop.

 

They can spout all the shit they want as long as they aren't registering voters.

You can't be serious can you? Then how do you decipher fact from rhetoric, which each side claims the other one is full of. "The Republicans will bring back the draft" is an opinion, wrong or right, we can be the judge of that. It is no different then when Kerry says, "I will only raise taxes on people making $200,000 or more a year" and then the GOP responds with, "no way, he will raise taxes on everyone, especially YOU middle class" and then Kerry says, "no that is a lie" but he in fact can't send a cease and desist order to the locations of Bush's speeches and say, "umm you can't say that because that is a lie"

 

Rock the Vote isn't a news organization. They are a vote registration service, biased? Yes, but that isn't against the law, at least I don't think.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

No,

 

The Republicans will bring back the draft is pure and utter bullshit when Democrats have introduced these bills. It's not an opinion at this point and time. It's bullshit and totally dishonest.

[NoCalMike 0]

No,

 

The Republicans will bring back the draft is pure and utter bullshit when Democrats have introduced these bills. It's not an opinion at this point and time. It's bullshit and totally dishonest.

No, Bush said "there is no draft on the way" however, anyone has the right to refute his claim if they want.

[NoCalMike 0]

No,

 

The Republicans will bring back the draft is pure and utter bullshit when Democrats have introduced these bills. It's not an opinion at this point and time. It's bullshit and totally dishonest.

Sure it is dishonest, it's politics.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

So then did the rest of us just imagine the Democrats introducing the bill for a draft and not the Republicans?

 

It's dishonest to accuse one party of something when it's the other side that's doing it.

[2GOLD 0]

I don't blame them. It's a scare tactic by MTV and it's the lowest form of one on the planet.

 

Then again, it's MTV so I don't expect anything less from them.

 

They need to stop. Period.

[NoCalMike 0]

So then did the rest of us just imagine the Democrats introducing the bill for a draft and not the Republicans?

 

It's dishonest to accuse one party of something when it's the other side that's doing it.

No, no one imagined anything, and sure it is probably a dishonest thing that "Rock the Vote" is doing(assuming they are not citing any facts and/or figures to backup their claims), however Rock the Vote is not the NEWS, they are just some organization trying to register people to vote, they can say anything they want to quite frankly, and if I am wrong, and they aren't allowed to, I'd think there would be a libel suit.

[NoCalMike 0]

Basically what I am trying to say is, what "Rock the Vote" is doing is NO DIFFERENT then, the conservatives in the south sending out mailings saying, "If John Kerry is elected, Gay Marriage will be legal, and the bible will be banned" It is, ugly, dishonest, and flat our wrong, but there is nothing Kerry can do about it.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

So then did the rest of us just imagine the Democrats introducing the bill for a draft and not the Republicans?

 

It's dishonest to accuse one party of something when it's the other side that's doing it.

No, no one imagined anything, and sure it is probably a dishonest thing that "Rock the Vote" is doing(assuming they are not citing any facts and/or figures to backup their claims), however Rock the Vote is not the NEWS, they are just some organization trying to register people to vote, they can say anything they want to quite frankly, and if I am wrong, and they aren't allowed to, I'd think there would be a libel suit.

But they are registering voters.

 

To me they can spout all the crap they want as long as they aren't registering voters.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

from the House Floor, from Congressman Ike Skelton (and the person bringing the bill to the floor was Representative McHugh. After the bill spent 20 months in a subcommittee)

 

Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.

 

Mr. Speaker, we have seen something that I have never seen in 28 years in the House of Representatives, never; someone whom I respect and consider a good friend, someone bringing a bill to the House floor that they do not support. That is news. That is the first time ever and probably in the history of the United States House of Representatives.

 

So I am in strong opposition to this bill. I am surprised that the Republican leadership would bring the bill to the floor. And why? Not to reinstate the draft.

 

The fact that the Republican leadership would bring this bill to the floor suggests to me, as an observer, several reasons: The war in Iraq is not going well. The President's plan to handle this situation with a minimum number of troops is not working, and we need more in-strength, as Paul Bremer just told us. And this tacit allegation that the administration wants to reinstate the draft right after the election. One of those three.

 

Americans should take notice of the fact that the House leadership thinks we need to resume the draft by bringing it up.

 

I have said before on occasion what Mark Twain once said, ``The more you explain it to me, the more I don't understand it.'' Why are we wasting our time, precious time, we ought to be talking about health care, be talking about the deficit, be talking about taking care of the troops. And, my goodness, I am so proud of them, and the gentleman from California (Chairman Hunter) and I have worked so hard to try to take care of those troops with body armor, to try to take care of them with pay raises, and I know he is disappointed as well in bringing this bill up.

 

And at the end of the day, Mr. Speaker, to bring this bill to the floor is nothing more than a cynical election year political ploy. If you want to play politics, go rent yourself a truck bed and get yourself a microphone and get a crowd and talk there, but this is not an electionary place. This is where we make the laws of the United States of America. And for someone to bring this bill to the floor that does not support it, does not want it, and wants to make a political point, well, I need not finish that sentence.

 

Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.

 

I'd say that my neighboring Congressman (he represents West-Central Missouri) said quite a bit there

 

Any coincidence that 50% of 18-24 year olds now feel that if Bush is re-elected there will be a draft as opposed to 8% for Kerry and that ROCKTEHVOTE2004~! (LOL) won't shut up about it?

 

But they say they're non-partisan. So it must be true.

 

Rock the Vote is to blame because the President's credibility is in question?

 

There's plenty of reasons not to believe the President right now. And Bush has shown that he's more likely to make a move which would necessitate an increase in troops (though whatever means) than Kerry. The defense from the RNC and Bush is really weak. You'd think that for an administration which believed they wouldn't do that, they'd make a stronger claim than "look, it's working!". Bringing a bill out of subcommitee after laying dormant for 20 months and then voting it down by 400 votes. Very convincing. It's all the internets. There's no reason at all to think that there might be a need for more troops.

 

The Republicans will bring back the draft is pure and utter bullshit when Democrats have introduced these bills.

 

"And two of them voted for the bill in the House! They want to do the draft!"

 

The Rangel bill had some very unique logic. Basically, it was a no-hoper bill (until the "internets" came in) and he thought that more people would be cautious about going to war if their kids could be drafted. I don't buy into the "We have the poor fighting over there so we need a draft" idea, since when they had a draft, the claim was "We have the poor fighting over there"

 

and here's something to close

 

Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time.

 

I rise in opposition of this bill, but I would like to clarify something. We are not trying to scare kids. This President's foreign policy is what is scaring the kids of this country. And people have said today, why are people believing this? Why are people believing this big Internet hoax?

 

It is the same people who told us that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11; the same people who told us Saddam Hussein had something to do with weapons of mass destruction; the same people who told us we would be able to use the oil for reconstruction money; the same people who told us we would be greeted as liberators, not occupiers; the same people, the same President who told us the Taliban is gone; the same President who told us that Poland is our ally 2 days before they pull out; the same President who tells us Iraq is going just great; the same President who tells us the economy is going just great; the same people who told us the tax cuts were going to create millions of jobs; the same people who told us that the Medicare program only cost $400 billion when it really cost $540 billion.

 

So please forgive us for believing what you are saying. Please forgive the students of this country for not believing what you are saying. Not one thing, not one thing about this war that has been told to the American people or that has been told to these college students has been true. Not one thing. Bremer says we need more troops. The Pentagon says we need more troops, and this President cannot get them from the international community. There is only one option left. Let us be honest with the American people.

 

(random note: The authorization seems constitutionally questionable to me. Granted, if you get into following the "Only Congress can declare war" thing, that's just too tricky to handle)

[2GOLD 0]

So then did the rest of us just imagine the Democrats introducing the bill for a draft and not the Republicans?

 

It's dishonest to accuse one party of something when it's the other side that's doing it.

No, no one imagined anything, and sure it is probably a dishonest thing that "Rock the Vote" is doing(assuming they are not citing any facts and/or figures to backup their claims), however Rock the Vote is not the NEWS, they are just some organization trying to register people to vote, they can say anything they want to quite frankly, and if I am wrong, and they aren't allowed to, I'd think there would be a libel suit.

But they are registering voters.

 

To me they can spout all the crap they want as long as they aren't registering voters.

 

Bingo.

 

If you are registering voters, your political views should NOT be involved.

[NoCalMike 0]

So then did the rest of us just imagine the Democrats introducing the bill for a draft and not the Republicans?

 

It's dishonest to accuse one party of something when it's the other side that's doing it.

No, no one imagined anything, and sure it is probably a dishonest thing that "Rock the Vote" is doing(assuming they are not citing any facts and/or figures to backup their claims), however Rock the Vote is not the NEWS, they are just some organization trying to register people to vote, they can say anything they want to quite frankly, and if I am wrong, and they aren't allowed to, I'd think there would be a libel suit.

But they are registering voters.

 

To me they can spout all the crap they want as long as they aren't registering voters.

well, TO YOU, a lot of things may be one way. It's not like I disagree with you, as far as what Rock the Vote is saying, but legally they aren't doing anything wrong, unless they are getting money from the government. If I went out on the street corner trying to register voters, I could say anything to them I wanted to, to sway their opinion, be it a boldface lie, or facts that help my argument,

[NoCalMike 0]

alrighty gentlemen, off to class I go. I am sure I will be talking to you all after the debate tonight.....

[Guest GreatOne]

It's like fucking Fatboy (name omitted for reasons of overkill) claiming to be 'registering 50,000 new voters' or whatever in his whiny response to the RNC on his site. The same guy who's written two books and made two films slamming Bush, called him an AWOL deserter, eaten several small villages out of house and home, etc. Some non-partisan 'registrar'............

 

Oh BTW Bremer's quote was that he thought we needed more troops at the beginning, not we need more troops as in right now. So maybe Mr Ryan'd like to brush up a bit..............

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Basically what I am trying to say is, what "Rock the Vote" is doing is NO DIFFERENT then, the conservatives in the south sending out mailings saying, "If John Kerry is elected, Gay Marriage will be legal, and the bible will be banned" It is, ugly, dishonest, and flat our wrong, but there is nothing Kerry can do about it.

^^^ Best post in the thread^^^

[Guest GreatOne]

Of course Southern conservatives aren't, you know, registering voters.................(apparently it needs to be posted again).

[Guest MikeSC]

Basically what I am trying to say is, what "Rock the Vote" is doing is NO DIFFERENT then, the conservatives in the south sending out mailings saying, "If John Kerry is elected, Gay Marriage will be legal, and the bible will be banned" It is, ugly, dishonest, and flat our wrong, but there is nothing Kerry can do about it.

Except Rock the Vote is claiming to be non-partisan and ONLY wants kids to vote.

 

Yeah, their claims are utter and unmitigated bullshit --- it's still absurd.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

It's like fucking Fatboy (name omitted for reasons of overkill) claiming to be 'registering 50,000 new voters' or whatever in his whiny response to the RNC on his site. The same guy who's written two books and made two films slamming Bush, called him an AWOL deserter, eaten several small villages out of house and home, etc. Some non-partisan 'registrar'............

 

Oh BTW Bremer's quote was that he thought we needed more troops at the beginning, not we need more troops as in right now. So maybe Mr Ryan'd like to brush up a bit..............

I guess he missed Bremer's column in that small, insignificant paper --- The New York Times.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

It's like fucking Fatboy (name omitted for reasons of overkill) claiming to be 'registering 50,000 new voters' or whatever in his whiny response to the RNC on his site. The same guy who's written two books and made two films slamming Bush, called him an AWOL deserter, eaten several small villages out of house and home, etc. Some non-partisan 'registrar'............

 

Oh BTW Bremer's quote was that he thought we needed more troops at the beginning, not we need more troops as in right now. So maybe Mr Ryan'd like to brush up a bit..............

I guess he missed Bremer's column in that small, insignificant paper --- The New York Times.

-=Mike

He was too busy reading Drudge instead.

 

[Guest MikeSC]

It's like fucking Fatboy (name omitted for reasons of overkill) claiming to be 'registering 50,000 new voters' or whatever in his whiny response to the RNC on his site. The same guy who's written two books and made two films slamming Bush, called him an AWOL deserter, eaten several small villages out of house and home, etc. Some non-partisan 'registrar'............

 

Oh BTW Bremer's quote was that he thought we needed more troops at the beginning, not we need more troops as in right now. So maybe Mr Ryan'd like to brush up a bit..............

I guess he missed Bremer's column in that small, insignificant paper --- The New York Times.

-=Mike

He was too busy reading Drudge instead.

 

I think Drudge linked it, too.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

It's like fucking Fatboy (name omitted for reasons of overkill) claiming to be 'registering 50,000 new voters' or whatever in his whiny response to the RNC on his site. The same guy who's written two books and made two films slamming Bush, called him an AWOL deserter, eaten several small villages out of house and home, etc. Some non-partisan 'registrar'............

 

Oh BTW Bremer's quote was that he thought we needed more troops at the beginning, not we need more troops as in right now. So maybe Mr Ryan'd like to brush up a bit..............

I guess he missed Bremer's column in that small, insignificant paper --- The New York Times.

-=Mike

He was too busy reading Drudge instead.

 

I think Drudge linked it, too.

-=Mike

Maybe..

 

but there weren't enough siren GIFs around it

[Guest MikeSC]

So Ryan is too stupid to take seriously.

 

 

Got it.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

So Ryan is too stupid to take seriously.

 

 

Got it.

-=Mike

it's called a joke Mike.

 

Says a bit when only six words out of that speech are strongly disputed.

[Styles 0]

As a college student, I can attest to how the draft scare tactic, IS an issue. It's disgusting that even after beind debunked by the president outright, students STILL insist that Bush is lying and there will be a draft...

[Guest Vitamin X]

It's like fucking Fatboy (name omitted for reasons of overkill) claiming to be 'registering 50,000 new voters' or whatever in his whiny response to the RNC on his site. The same guy who's written two books and made two films slamming Bush, called him an AWOL deserter, eaten several small villages out of house and home, etc. Some non-partisan 'registrar'............

 

Oh BTW Bremer's quote was that he thought we needed more troops at the beginning, not we need more troops as in right now. So maybe Mr Ryan'd like to brush up a bit..............

I guess he missed Bremer's column in that small, insignificant paper --- The New York Times.

-=Mike

You mean that one that had not just one, but two writers fired recently (well, relatively speaking) for making up stories and passing them off as news?

 

Yeah... I've heard of it, I think.

 

On the Rock The Vote issue: It doesn't matter WHAT the fuck they're spouting off. It's up to the people they're spouting off TO if they choose to believe it or not. If they want to be an ignorant fuck and only listen to some idiot representing MTV on a street corner (and I actually witnessed this very thing at my college during the MTV Music Awards which took place RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from my school, so you can imagine..) without checking up on their facts, we can't fault them for that just like we can't fault any other person who is blindly voting for their candidate of choice, which has and always will happen every time there's an election.