10/22 Impact Spoilers

[TNABaddboi 0]

Impact and Xplosion Results for October 18, 2004

By Richard Trionfo

 

While the WWE had their Taboo Tuesday interactive pay per view, TNA Wrestling moved towards their first Sunday night pay per view, Victory Road. As is the case with TNA tapings, the sound is not always the greatest and the fans in the Pit are a tad loud. This is what happened:

 

The show began with a video package to set up for Victory Road, and then they cut to footage of a fight in the back between America’s Most Wanted and Triple X. There are ladders at each Chute of Impact as well as at ringside.

 

Match Number One: Jeff Jarrett versus Ryan O’Reilly in a non-title match. Jarrett used the ladder on O’Reilly and then got the victory with the Stroke in about 1½ minutes. After the match, Jarrett continued to attack O’Reilly, and this brought out Jeff Hardy who sent Jarrett into the ladder in the corner.

 

We see a pre-recorded video of Scott Hall. This is followed by a ‘campaign’ video by Dusty Rhodes in his quest for Director of Authority at Victory Road.

 

Match Number Two: Michael Shane and Frankie Kazarian (with Traci Brooks) versus Chris Sabin and Sonjay Dutt. This match was a time limit draw that showcased both teams well. One move from this match needs to be pointed out. Frankie Kazarian was on the top turnbuckle facing the crowd, and Chris Sabin came up and hit a release German Suplex from the top turnbuckle. Since it was a time limit draw, they went to Larry Zbyszko, who was at ringside this week, and he gave the victory to Sonjay Dutt and Chris Sabin.

 

They go to the back where Dusty Rhodes is with Shane Douglas, probably to talk about the ladder stipulation (bad sound), and Jeff Jarrett comes out probably to accept the ladder stipulation (since it was announced later that the World Title match would be a ladder match).

 

They have another pre-recorded video of Roddy Piper. This week he talked about the infamous Piper’s Pit with Jimmy Snuka.

 

Match Number Three: Eric Stevens versus Monty Brown. Monty Brown wins the match after giving Stevens two POUNCES. After the match, Monty Brown gets on the mic and talks about Raven. This causes the lights to go off and from out of nowhere (actually from right behind the Spanish Announce Table since he could be clearly seen from where I was standing) Raven comes to the ring. He has Monty down as the lights go back on, but Brown hits the POUNCE on Raven. The lights go down again, and this time Abyss emerges from the darkness (from the same spot as Raven) and he has Brown up for the Torture Rack Backbreaker, but Brown escapes it. Abyss finally hits the Torture Rack Backbreaker, and then TNA Security comes out.

 

Match Number Four: New York Connection (with Trinity) versus Scott Commodity and partner (could not hear name). The NYC get the victory in this match as Trinity joined Tenay and West at the announce position.

 

The battle between America’s Most Wanted and Triple X continues as they fight through the crowd and into the arena area. Daniels and Skipper are in the ring and Christopher Daniels suggests that they should find out who the best tag team is in TNA.

 

Then we see the Vince Russo ‘campaign’ video.

 

Match Number Five: A.J. Styles, Ron Killings, and Jeff Hardy versus Team Canada (Bobby Rude, Eric Young, and Ruffy Silverstein [with Scott D’Amore]). There was a ladder at ringside. Hardy gets the pin on Silverstein after a Twist of Fate. After the match, Petey Williams comes out and fights with A.J. Styles through the crowd, using the wall to the main seating area a few times as they fought to the back. In the ring, 3 Live Kru joined things while Jeff Hardy hit a Swanton from the top of the ladder. Jeff Jarrett came out and hit Hardy with the guitar.

 

Dark Match during changeover: Jerrelle Clark versus Andy Douglas (with Chase Stevens). Jerrelle Clark got the win with a rollup after Chase Stevens accidentally throw some white powder at Douglas after Clark moved.

 

Xplosion begins with a video package.

 

Match Number One: Kid Romeo and Roderick Strong versus Triple X. Triple X got the win when Christopher Daniels pinned Kid Romeo with a double team suplex into a powerbomb and neckbreaker combo. After the match Triple X formally challenged America’s Most Wanted at Victory Road.

 

We see the Roddy Piper video that was shown during the Impact taping segment of the night.

 

Time for another Vince Russo/Dusty Rhodes video package.

 

Match Number Two: Lex Lovett versus Abyss. Abyss wins with the Black Hole Slam in 1:15.

 

The Dusty Rhodes ‘campaign’ video aired again.

 

Match Number Three: Alex Shelley and Petey Williams (with Scott D’Amore) versus Shark Boy and D-Ray 3000. Williams and Shelley get the win when Williams hits the Canadian Styles Clash on Shark Boy.

 

Shane Douglas is in the back with America’s Most Wanted.

 

We see a Raven video package.

 

Match Number Four: Brian Gamble versus Raven. Raven got the win with the Evenflow DDT. This match went outside the ring and Raven hit three side Russian Leg Sweeps on Gamble against the guardrail.

 

They show the Scott Hall video that will also air on Impact.

 

Match Number Five: Kid Kash and Dallas versus America’s Most Wanted. This match went to a no contest because Triple X was standing in front of the announce table and they attacked America’s Most Wanted outside the ring. After the match, the brawl continued between America’s Most Wanted and Triple X while Kid Kash and Dallas had some words with the fans in the Pit.

 

Thoughts on the tapings: The crowd was the smallest since the move to Tuesdays and probably the smallest since the Hurricanes hit Florida. Three of the four bleacher sections were almost empty....Some of the crowd left during the Xplosion tapings because they take too long in between matches, and have Tim Welch (who is not a favorite of the Pit) trying to fill time....This is the second week in a row that Chris Sabin has been in what I thought was the best match of the night....Sonjay Dutt did not look to have too much ring rust since this was his first match back in TNA....Scott Hall was at the tapings, but was not on camera for anything other than the pre-taped segment.... If they are going to have run-ins or have the lights go out, they should not have the wrestlers in plain sight because I saw Raven in the corner just as the lights went down during the Monty Brown match.

 

credit: PWInsider.com

[AmazingRen 0]

Man, that show sounds horrible. You know every time it's a draw the babyface team will when. Wow, Monty Brown vs Jobber. What was the point of having Truth and Hardy in the match when there not feuding with Team Canada? When you can't fill an arena that you can get in for free it's sad. Why does Jarrett only wants to wrestle for 1 minute? He's the laziest champion ever. Hell, even Hogan had more workrate than Jarrett. There's no way someone going to fly me all the way down to Florida just to wrestle a 2-5 minute match. If this PPV isn't successful (and by the looks of it Victory Road will not be) then I'm giving up on TNA all together which is sad because it's not like they don't have the talent to succeed (AJ, Sabin, Daniels, Abyss and Truth).

[TNABaddboi 0]

What was the point of having Truth and Hardy in the match when there not feuding with Team Canada?

 

I think the point of having Truth in the match was that 3LK are gonna get the tag title shot at Victory Road because AMW/XXX are going to do the cage match. Even though I thought it was going to be Konnan and James challenging for the belt, I guess that could always do Truth and James, which would drastically improve the quality of the match. Not quite sure what Hardy was doing there though. They would have been better off putting James in his spot.

[Guest Donners]

Anything more than ** will be better than a certain PPV that aired today. Apparently Dutt looked in good shape, and the drawn tag match was strong.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Wow, that looks to be the worst Impact yet, and that is saying a lot.

[starvenger 0]

What was the point of having Truth and Hardy in the match when there not feuding with Team Canada?

They've had this team in the past as the "Megapowers" of TNA, with the 3 main faces teaming up together. Of course, I'd say that having Truth as the third stringer in 6-man tags all the time is probably not helping him get over as a singles wrestler, but that's just me.

 

Why does Jarrett only wants to wrestle for 1 minute? He's the laziest champion ever. Hell, even Hogan had more workrate than Jarrett.

Terri fricking Gold had longer matches than Jarrett. She may have had better workrate as well.

 

Match Number Two: Michael Shane and Frankie Kazarian (with Traci Brooks) versus Chris Sabin and Sonjay Dutt.

Well at least this match looks good.

 

Match Number Four: Brian Gamble versus Raven. Raven got the win with the Evenflow DDT. This match went outside the ring and Raven hit three side Russian Leg Sweeps on Gamble against the guardrail.

At this point Gamble's pay per minute looks about as high as Jerome Bettis' TDs per yard...

[Placebo Effect 0]

Why do I even come into this thread anymore?

[Guest Phenom]

Who is Ruffy Silverstein? Is he new?

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Who is Ruffy Silverstein? Is he new?

I think he's taking Johnny Devine's place.....since he's injured. I could be wrong though.............

[Guest BrokenWings]

Who is Ruffy Silverstein? Is he new?

I think he's taking Johnny Devine's place.....since he's injured. I could be wrong though.............

I assumed the same, but Devine was only supposed to be out for 4-6 weeks. How long has it been since then? I was thinking at least three.

 

If they're permanantly replacing him, it's a damn shame and foolish move on TNA's behalf. But what else is new?

[Twisted Intestine 0]

Who is Ruffy Silverstein? Is he new?

I think he's taking Johnny Devine's place.....since he's injured. I could be wrong though.............

I assumed the same, but Devine was only supposed to be out for 4-6 weeks. How long has it been since then? I was thinking at least three.

 

If they're permanantly replacing him, it's a damn shame and foolish move on TNA's behalf. But what else is new?

It's actually smart if they replace him on Team Canada (Since he wasn't doing much), and when he comes back from injury they push him strong as a singles wrestler.

 

Wait.. that spot's occupied with Hardy and Jarrett!

[Guest Donners]

FFS, the guy got stabbed a few weeks ago. Let's give him a little time to get back before concluding he's been dumped, huh?

[Twisted Intestine 0]

FFS, the guy got stabbed a few weeks ago. Let's give him a little time to get back before concluding he's been dumped, huh?

I was just saying it would be best for him to have a singles career, I didn't say it's going to happen.

[starvenger 0]

Who is Ruffy Silverstein? Is he new?

Not that it really helps, but Ruffy's one of D'Amore's guys from Border City Wrestling. His gimmick (as I remember it) was Mean Street Posse-ish.

[bob_barron 0]

Anything more than ** will be better than a certain PPV that aired today. Apparently Dutt looked in good shape, and the drawn tag match was strong.

What's your point?

 

Just because WWE had a bad PPV doesn't mean that TNA having a subpar PPV makes them any better.

 

WWE can afford to put on a bad PPV since they actually make a profit.

TNA can't since they don't.

 

And Flair v. Orton was more then **.

[Guest Coffey]

Just because WWE had a bad PPV doesn't mean that TNA having a subpar PPV makes them any better.

 

WWE can afford to put on a bad PPV since they actually make a profit.

TNA can't since they don't.

I'd say that Samoa Joe © Vs. CM Punk for the Ring of Honor Championship was about *** ¾ - ****. That's better than anything WWE or TNA have done recently...and it went to a draw! Of course, I'm a new(er) fan of Ring of Honor, so maybe I'm a little biased now. Besides, that match happened a few months ago. However, it's new to me! Still, the point remains. With all the talent that WWE and TNA both have, they should be putting on a lot better matches. Sometimes it feels like they go out of their way to not have good matches. Doesn't that sound ridiculous? Well, when you think about it, WWE might. Afterall, they have the "WWE style" and we've all heard about the main eventers not wanting to be upstaged in the past...which would explain the lack of push for Cruiserweights. Then you factor in the TNA squash matches, and one has to start to wonder.

 

I think the biggest difference is that RoH doesn't have the "even stevens" booking of WWE and the crappy false finishes of TNA. I know that personally, as a fan, I feel more satisfied when matches have a clear cut winner and loser.

 

So, the question is, could Ring of Honor afford to have a "bad" PPV? If TNA can't, you'd think that RoH wouldn't be able to. Of course, I have a feeling that due to the past of each company, one might be able to conclude that RoH fans might be a little more forgiving...unless you factor in the RF stuff. I'm talking about from a wrestling stand point.

 

Then again, RoH doesn't have a national television deal either. So, it's tough to say.

[Guest Banders Kennany]

Coffey, you fool what Bob is trying to say has no bearing on what you say at all. Now if ROH was going to have a PPV they have more to be concerned about than just their core fanbase, because if that is the only peopel that buy this ppv they 100% sunk.

 

Just as in TNA's case the object of the ppv isn't pandering to the audience you have already accquired, but building on that audience expotentially with your new first ppv.

 

So see Coffey, it doesn't matter about impressing the roh fans or the tna fans, but impressing the fans that are being brought in with the bigtime ads for this ppv, so that they like the product and shell out for more doe.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

So, the question is, could Ring of Honor afford to have a "bad" PPV?

 

Surely you realize that any PPV would be a huge step for ROH. The comparison is just unfair. We continue to compare the couple of house shows this small indy company has with the weekly programming another company has on a national cable network. It just doesn't work.

 

Enjoy the ROH matches all you want, I probably would too, were I in that area. But, we'll have to wait until they get a TV show and PPV's to compare them to TNA's TV show and PPV.

[Guest MikeSC]

So, the question is, could Ring of Honor afford to have a "bad" PPV?

 

Surely you realize that any PPV would be a huge step for ROH. The comparison is just unfair. We continue to compare the couple of house shows this small indy company has with the weekly programming another company has on a national cable network. It just doesn't work.

 

Enjoy the ROH matches all you want, I probably would too, were I in that area. But, we'll have to wait until they get a TV show and PPV's to compare them to TNA's TV show and PPV.

Except TNA isn't an actual wrestling company, just a TV show with a wrestling ring.

 

Until TNA runs house shows, comparing them to a real wrestling company is laughable.

-=Mike

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Erm, OK. Anyway you want to say it, ROH and TNA are just too different to make a fair comparison between them.

[Guest MikeSC]

Erm, OK. Anyway you want to say it, ROH and TNA are just too different to make a fair comparison between them.

ROH makes money.

ROH runs house shows.

ROH churns out good matches on a regular basis.

 

TNA would have to improve a lot to be comparable. TNA is simply WCW during its last 2 months.

-=Mike

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

ROH makes money.

ROH runs house shows.

ROH churns out good matches on a regular basis.

 

I guarantee ROH wouldn't get as much credit for a one hour TV show as they do for a 3 hour house show.

 

 

TNA is simply WCW during its last 2 months.

 

You couldn't be more off track. WCW had a lot of good things going for it, even at the end.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

WCW had a lot of good things going for it, even at the end.

Name five...........

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

cruiserweight division.

cruiserweight tag division.

heavyweight title picture(Booker T, healthy Steiner, etc.)

Sold more tickets at any given Nitro than TNA has combined. (a bit of a strecth, but not much)

Goldberg was still over.( More over than anyone in TNA history, even at the end)

[Tawren 0]

ROH did have TV, for the record. And it sucked mighty ass.

 

ROH makes money.

 

Meltzer has said that ROH has lost over 500 grand since 2002.

 

And don't confuse me for being an ROH hater/TNA lover. I dislike them both.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Meltzer has said that ROH has lost over 500 grand since 2002.

 

Geez. If that's accurate, that's a huge ammount of money for such a small company.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Meltzer has said that ROH has lost over 500 grand since 2002.

 

Geez. If that's accurate, that's a huge ammount of money for such a small company.

Never fear, they have Uncle Moneybags for an owner.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

cruiserweight division.

cruiserweight tag division.

heavyweight title picture(Booker T, healthy Steiner, etc.)

Sold more tickets at any given Nitro than TNA has combined. (a bit of a strecth, but not much)

Goldberg was still over.( More over than anyone in TNA history, even at the end)

The Cruiserweight Division was a farce at that point.

 

I have the Cruiser tag tournament on tape.............maybe you should watch it again.

 

Heavyweight title picture........besides Booker and Steiner there was nothing good about it. Booker and Steiner IMO were horribly overrated at this time too.

 

Sold more tickets at any given Nitro than TNA combined................I'll give you that.....but I think I've sold more tickets to NOTHING that they sell to Impact.(I know......I'm being sarcastic)

 

After Goldberg lost to Nash for the first time.............he wasn't very effective anymore. They killed their best character...............also, Goldberg being over means nothing to me. I was NEVER a Goldberg mark......

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Ok, keep in mind; This is things WCW had going for them in relation to TNA, not great , awesome things about the dying days of WCW.

 

The Cruiserweight Division was a farce at that point.

 

The cruisers put on at least one match every night that is on par, or better, than any match TNA has ever done.

 

I have the Cruiser tag tournament on tape.............maybe you should watch it again.

 

Not as much the tournament, but Iliked the idea of the cruiser tag-division. It spotlighted some of their most talented workers.

 

Heavyweight title picture........besides Booker and Steiner there was nothing good about it. Booker and Steiner IMO were horribly overrated at this time too.

 

I couldn't disagree more. Booker and Steiner were much needed frsh blood in the Main Event scene at the time, and both were working very hard. Steiner was playing a great heel. I really thought he was the best heel in the business for a short time.

 

Sold more tickets at any given Nitro than TNA combined................I'll give you that.....but I think I've sold more tickets to NOTHING that they sell to Impact.(I know......I'm being sarcastic)

 

1 for WMD!

 

After Goldberg lost to Nash for the first time.............he wasn't very effective anymore. They killed their best character...............also, Goldberg being over means nothing to me. I was NEVER a Goldberg mark......

 

While I would somewhat agree with you, Goldberg was still more-over at the end of WCW than anyone has ever been in TNA. It may not matter to you personally, but it certainly helps a company to have such a valuable commodity. And no, Monty isn't close. For those who think he is, you have either forgotten or never saw it in the first place.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

1 for WMD!

The first, and the last.