Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 RVD was never in danger of having to work 30 min. matches in the first place. He's only ME's one PPV in his entire WWE career (No Mercy 01) and that match probably reached around 20 mins. That's like saying that WWE "cleaned up" Paul London's highspot style because he doesn't do Shooting Stars to the outside anymore when you knew there was no chance of it happening in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 As long as they don't take the easy way out and use matches which have already been on DVDs before I'll be happy. I'm guessing the feature will have stuff about his feuds against Sabu, Jerry Lynn, Rhyno, and Jeff Hardy. Chris Benoit vs. Rob Van Dam from SummerSlam '02 is also a possible match to put on there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Screw this...i'm saving up my money for the JBL 2 Disk Collectors Set Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 13, 2004 I would buy a JBL DVD in a heart beat. At least as this character, Bradshaw can actually cut a promo without sounding like a stoner or a fucking idiot. Anyone remember RVD's imitation of Ric Flair at No Mercy 2002? It still gives me nightmares at night along with the return of Vanilla Ice as a rapper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest M. Harry Smilac Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I would buy a JBL DVD in a heart beat. At least as this character, Bradshaw can actually cut a promo without sounding like a stoner or a fucking idiot. Anyone remember RVD's imitation of Ric Flair at No Mercy 2002? It still gives me nightmares at night along with the return of Vanilla Ice as a rapper. I guess if RVD just did a body slam,standard suplex and lariat for his finishing move you'd like him.JBL doesn't sound like a stupid stoner when he's cutting a promo,he sounds like a stupid hick. Haters should just be happy that RVD's probably gonna be held down forever and never get the chance to get as big and unstoppbale as he could and would. Probably about Austin times 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Regardless of his limitations, and he does have them, the fans were going crazy for RVD for a while, and if they had pulled the trigger on him, who knows what could have happened. Sure, in the spotlight, his flaws might have been exposed and he would have flopped. On the other hand, he might have actually risen to the challenge and developed some decent mic skills and become more rounded as a worker. You can say the same thing about every top guy there has ever been really, in regards to finding reasons as to why they 'don't deserve' a push and should be kept back, but unless you take chances, it'll be that much harder to find the next big star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I would buy a JBL DVD in a heart beat. At least as this character, Bradshaw can actually cut a promo without sounding like a stoner or a fucking idiot. Anyone remember RVD's imitation of Ric Flair at No Mercy 2002? It still gives me nightmares at night along with the return of Vanilla Ice as a rapper. I guess if RVD just did a body slam,standard suplex and lariat for his finishing move you'd like him.JBL doesn't sound like a stupid stoner when he's cutting a promo,he sounds like a stupid hick. Haters should just be happy that RVD's probably gonna be held down forever and never get the chance to get as big and unstoppbale as he could and would. Probably about Austin times 10. Umm, no. Not even close. -=Mike ...RVD was getting novelty pops in the WWE. When the novelty wore off, the pops did so as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Somebody needs to tell Mike the difference between "novelty pops" and "the fans want to see this guy pushed" pops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted November 14, 2004 When/if this DVD comes out, they need to include the clip of Van Dam touring Japan then looking through one of those big ass binocular viewers at the top of a tall building then yelling "godzirra..." I think it was shown on Velocity. Comedy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Difference between JBL and RVD, and why JBL gets a World Title push. JBL is Home Grown. RVD is not. End of story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Somebody needs to tell Mike the difference between "novelty pops" and "the fans want to see this guy pushed" pops. Yep. The latter is what Chris Benoit gets. The former is what RVD got. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Early on in his debut? Those were "pushed" pops RVD was getting. Later on in his career you can make the novelty argument but there's no denying that fans wanted more and more of him when he first broke into the fed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 He was over because he was a breath of fresh air in the terrible Invasion angle. Once that ended, so did his heat. It was definitely a novelty thing. He's held on longer than Eugene due to his ECW days and the fact that he isn't a joke character, but he never did have long term potential. BTW, I am not arguing that RVD wasn't/isn't over. I am arguing whether people would be willing to pay to see him. He certainly has his uses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 RVD is still surprisingly over considering how useless he has been for the past -oh say- 3 years. RVD was getting "we want this guy to be a superstar/we choose this guy" pop in 01. Eugene got novelty pops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I use to like RVD, but the night they did the fake title switch against the Undertaker was the first time I started not caring. When Hunter completely exposed him at Unforgiven 4 months later, I didn't care at all about him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 HHH made him look bad @ Unforgiven 02, then RVD almost killed Trips at the first EC match and the rest is history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 14, 2004 HHH made him look bad @ Unforgiven 02, then RVD almost killed Trips at the first EC match and the rest is history. And you can't blame HHH for the problems. As I've said repeatedly, it's basic logic that in a match with RVD, you'd work on the leg, since he is a high-flyer who does a lot of kicks. HHH worked the match that made the most sense to work when facing RVD. If RVD can't figure out how to make a match work while having to sell leg pain, that is his problem. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Somebody needs to tell Mike the difference between "novelty pops" and "the fans want to see this guy pushed" pops. RVD was a novelty. Once you see his stuff once, there is nothing else there. He's unable to get over due to solid ring psychology (something he utterly lacks), great selling (also spotty at that), or mic skills (where is amongst the weakest in the company). He had the usual ECW fans overhype convincing some that he truly was something special and an offense that looks nifty the first few times you see it. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 How do you explain his still existant reaction though? Unless the novelty hasn't completely worn off yet... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Novelty pops don't last over 3 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 14, 2004 How do you explain his still existant reaction though? Unless the novelty hasn't completely worn off yet... His pops, to me, aren't considerably larger than far-less-pushed guys like Rey Misterio. He's on SD that doesn't exactly have a large crop of legitimate top-level faces, and RVD is much less over than Guerrero, Cena, Misterio, and arguably Booker T. RVD's offense is enough to keep some fans happy. But, he'll never touch the height of heat that guys like Austin, Michaels, et al received. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Novelty pops don't last over 3 years. His pops haven't lasted, either. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 A majority of WWE fans like "Entertainment" wrestlers and want to see them pushed and pop VERY LOUDLY to tell WWE this. See: John Cena RVD was the most over mid-carder in 2002. FACT. RVD got the biggest pops at SummerSlam this year. FACT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 His pops, to me, aren't considerably larger than far-less-pushed guys like Rey Misterio. Wow, let's stop right there. There is NO way you can convince me that Rey is less pushed than RVD. Equally pushed, I can maybe see. Maybe. But far less pushed? IF the choice is between Rey and RVD to main event on a random Smackdown, it'll be Rey, no doubt. Rey will be wrestling Angle while Rob will be wrestling Dupree for the 2039 time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Novelty pops don't last over 3 years. His pops haven't lasted, either. -=Mike He's still getting good reactions, especially for someone who they've made no real attempt to do anything with for over 2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 which goes to show that fans STILL care about RVD, whether you guys like it or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 15, 2004 His pops, to me, aren't considerably larger than far-less-pushed guys like Rey Misterio. Wow, let's stop right there. There is NO way you can convince me that Rey is less pushed than RVD. Equally pushed, I can maybe see. Maybe. But far less pushed? IF the choice is between Rey and RVD to main event on a random Smackdown, it'll be Rey, no doubt. Rey will be wrestling Angle while Rob will be wrestling Dupree for the 2039 time. Rey is pushed as a CW, which in the WWE, is much less than being pushed as a serious US Title contender. RVD got the biggest pops at SummerSlam this year. FACT. Umm, say what? He's still getting good reactions, especially for someone who they've made no real attempt to do anything with for over 2 years. He's getting decent reactions --- which is all he's gotten for years. WWE doesn't do much with him because he isn't doing anything to make them take a look at him. They know he can't carry his load on the mic. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 If he can't carry his load on the mic, then give him a manager who can talk for him. Mind you, that would imply they want him to get over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 They know he can't carry his load on the mic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Also, Van Dam's promo's in ECW were pretty solid, even if you take away the profanity. Hell, the only time he said anything you can't air on free TV was at the end of his promo's when he'd call himself "The Whole Fucking Show." Good delivery, good pace, and it fit his character of a laid-back, pompous prick that knew he'd win regardless of the opponent. So, this begs the question: why won't WWE allow him to get over the same way he did in ECW, by being the cocky wiseass bastard that would make fun of his opponents during a match? Oh, right, because it worked somewhere else. I'm not saying RVD is WWE Title potential. Hell no. Not even JBL is, but at least he's being pushed in such a manner to accent his stronger points. RVD is just being put out there with no rhyme or reason. Even GENE SNITSKY has a reason to do what he does each week on Raw. What is RVD's motivation to be in that ring? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
