WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

[Guest bigm350]

It was stated earlier that HHH was real close to jumping to WCW in 98-99? Was it because Hall and Nash had prominent spots in the company? Was WCW offering more money than the WWF?

[Guest Pariah]

Was their a Fusient era plan for Mike Sanders? He was being built up as Flair's protege at one point, the whole 'Second dirtiest player in the game' thing. Would that of ever led anywhere?

 

Who thought Mongo would make a good Horsemen? For that matter who thought Paul Roma would?

 

Was Lanny Poffo really on WCW's paylist for five years just to appease Randy Savage?

 

How much were KISS paid to play on Thunder? I've heard more that it was around a million dollars

 

Barring Harlem Heat's gimmick where they were supposed to be debuting as slaves but it got pulled before they went through the curtain, have any other gimmicks been pulled before they aired/aired once because they were so stupid, insulting, etc?

[cmpunk04 0]

Wasn't the Demon supposed to be Brian Adams as I remember him appearing as it for the first time? Why was it changed to Torborg?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

It was stated earlier that HHH was real close to jumping to WCW in 98-99? Was it because Hall and Nash had prominent spots in the company? Was WCW offering more money than the WWF? 

 

Hunter wasn't as close to jumping as whoever said that. Given his spots in the WWF at the time, and the nature of WCW, he would have had to have been an idiot to jump, regardless of how much he was getting offered.

 

Was their a Fusient era plan for Mike Sanders? He was being built up as Flair's protege at one point, the whole 'Second dirtiest player in the game' thing. Would that of ever led anywhere?

 

It would have led to Flair making Sanders look good en route to doing a job. Then Sanders would have been put in the ring with a non-magician, and he'd have been exposed as sub-Average Mike Sanders.

 

Who thought Mongo would make a good Horsemen? For that matter who thought Paul Roma would?

 

Some fucking idiot thought the most uncoordinated wrestler of all time would be a good Horseman. Probably Bischoff, as he seemed to have a hard on for Mongo. Roma was a last minute replacement for Tully Blanchard, so they probably had few options. Plus, he was cheap.

 

Was Lanny Poffo really on WCW's paylist for five years just to appease Randy Savage?

 

Yep. He was on a $100,000 per year deal

 

How much were KISS paid to play on Thunder? I've heard more that it was around a million dollars

 

A million sounds right.

 

Barring Harlem Heat's gimmick where they were supposed to be debuting as slaves but it got pulled before they went through the curtain, have any other gimmicks been pulled before they aired/aired once because they were so stupid, insulting, etc? 

 

Dustin Rhodes's Seven gimmick was shelved after one appearance.

 

Wasn't the Demon supposed to be Brian Adams as I remember him appearing as it for the first time? Why was it changed to Torborg?

 

It was Brian Adams who was the first Demon. It got changed because the gimmick was a Bischoff idea, and they pulled the gimmick at first. Then they realised they were contractually obliged to put The Demon in main events, so they gave it to Torborg, and put him in undercard matches that were billed as 'Special Main Events'. Where he would invariably job.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

There was no way Triple H was leaving in 98-99. He had a WWF Title coming his way contractually.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

There was no way Triple H was leaving in 98-99. He had a WWF Title coming his way contractually.

Nobody is/was contracted to have a title reign. Vince might promise someone a reign, but he'd never put it in their contract.

[Guest Loss]

There was no way Triple H was leaving in 98-99.  He had a WWF Title coming his way contractually.

Nobody is/was contracted to have a title reign. Vince might promise someone a reign, but he'd never put it in their contract.

Actually, yes he did. I remember it being reported at the time. There was surprise about that, as it was the first contract of its kind. HHH wasn't close to jumping to WCW, but he did entertain offers, as all wrestlers did, so he could leverage himself a better deal with the WWF. Nash wanted him, but I don't think he ever seriously considered jumping. He just had talks.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Triple H was indeed promised a Title reign in his contract. I remember it pretty well because there was a lot of talk in 99 after Mania about the direction of the company because they had to give him the title before the year was over due to his contract.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

There was no way Triple H was leaving in 98-99.  He had a WWF Title coming his way contractually.

Nobody is/was contracted to have a title reign. Vince might promise someone a reign, but he'd never put it in their contract.

Actually, yes he did. I remember it being reported at the time. There was surprise about that, as it was the first contract of its kind. HHH wasn't close to jumping to WCW, but he did entertain offers, as all wrestlers did, so he could leverage himself a better deal with the WWF. Nash wanted him, but I don't think he ever seriously considered jumping. He just had talks.

I just asked Meltzer, and he denied that Hunter was ever obligated to be given a WWF Title reign.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Nobody is/was contracted to have a title reign.

 

Supposedly, a title reign was in Goldberg's WWE contract.

[The Czech Republic 0]

How does a pro wrestling title reign get translated into legalese? I'm curious.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Nobody is/was contracted to have a title reign.

 

Supposedly, a title reign was in Goldberg's WWE contract.

Also not true I would wager. He did have creative control though.

[Precious Roy 0]

Re: HHH

 

The "promise" of a title reign was part of the contract he signed AFTER flirting with WCW in late 98/early 99 or so. I'd say it wasn't in such explicit terms that he could sue for breach of contract if he DIDN'T get the belt, but my guess is it was a mutual understanding of his spot, much like the type of deal Vince offers anyone he's serious about. WCW was offering more money, Vince offered a guaranteed top spot and a championsip push, WCW could never offer him that so he stuck with Vince. He made the right decision, as he would have been nothing more than the next Scott Hall in WCW. Not a bad spot, but nothing that would have got him to "Cerebral Assassin" levels.

 

Some fucking idiot thought the most uncoordinated wrestler of all time would be a good Horseman. Probably Bischoff, as he seemed to have a hard on for Mongo.

 

That fucking idiot was indeed Bischoff, confirmed by both Flair and AA.

[JoeDirt 0]

How long was Abdullah the Butcher with WCW?

 

What was the time period of Bill Watts' control in WCW?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

How long was Abdullah the Butcher with WCW?

 

What was the time period of Bill Watts' control in WCW?

Abby was in from around August 1991 until February of 1992

 

Watts was in control from around the time of WrestleWar '92 until a couple of weeks before Superbrawl III

[cmpunk04 0]

Does anyone have a list of matches RVD had in WCW? DDTDigest only goes back to 96.

[Guest OSIcon]

Does anyone have a list of matches RVD had in WCW? DDTDigest only goes back to 96.

 

I don't have a list per say. I know that he defeated Shaghai Pierce (Mideon) in the first round of the TV Title tournament and then lost to Vinnie Vegas (Nash) in the semis. I also remember a match against Scotty Flamingo (Raven). I think he may have even won that match.

[Tony149 0]

I read the Heavenly Bodies teamed with Brian Pillman & Steve Austin against the Rock 'n' Roll Express, Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas. When was that? I assume sometime during the SMW-WCW working agreement. And does anybody know if the match was good? Considering the talent involved it sounds like it would.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I read the Heavenly Bodies teamed with Brian Pillman & Steve Austin against the Rock 'n' Roll Express, Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas. When was that? I assume sometime during the SMW-WCW working agreement. And does anybody know if the match was good? Considering the talent involved it sounds like it would.

It was in early 1993. The matches were good, but Jesse Ventura buried the SMW guys on commentary.

[Guest MikeSC]

I read the Heavenly Bodies teamed with Brian Pillman & Steve Austin against the Rock 'n' Roll Express, Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas. When was that? I assume sometime during the SMW-WCW working agreement. And does anybody know if the match was good? Considering the talent involved it sounds like it would.

It was really good.

-=Mike

[Vanhalen 0]

Were people aware that the last PPV ended up being the last PPV ahead of time, like people were with the last ECW PPV

[The Czech Republic 0]

No they were not made formally aware, but for those even slightly in the know, the writing was pretty much on the wall. The April PPV had to be cancelled because they scheduled it for Easter Sunday. Whoops!

 

I didn't know people knew ECW was done. To me it seemed like they just faded out and at some point in late January they finally said "yeah ECW folded."

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

People had known ECW was done in the Fall, it was just a matter of the fed finally giving up.

 

It was up in the air with WCW until the last week or two.

[Guest DVD Spree]

Remember Disco Inferno and The Leg Hold? That was a great gimmick. Every week on WCWSN back in late 1996, Disco Inferno bragged about his move, The Leg Hold, that would make him a real contender...once he got it. He would always lose despite talking up The Leg Hold, and eventually, he brought a diagram to the ring with him to refer to mid-match. But it was upside down and he got pinned. Another time, he set the diagram on the apron, but when he went to grab it, knocked it off the apron and couldn't reach.

Damn the UK's (aforementioned) terrible WCW coverage - that sounds like a fucking hoot.

 

I remember seeing a comp with a SUPER stiff PPV match between Regal and Finlay - it wasn't a shoot by any means, but it was approaching All Japan-levels of intensity. Can anyone elnighten me as to what show thats from, and whether the match was any good (or indeed as stiff as I recall)?

[Big McLargeHuge 0]

Who was intended to be the famous "Hummer" driver?

[Guest Pariah]

Regal/Finley was at Uncensored '96

 

Scott Keith pretty awful review of it

 

Lord Steven Regal v. Belfast Bruiser. Okay, everyone who thought this match would be any good, put up your hands now.

 

Liar.

 

I was expecting the usual from Regal, especially against someone I'd never seen before in Finlay. Namely not much.

 

Wow, was I wrong. This was, in a word, brutal. Ugly, brutal, nasty, and very, very stiff. I don't if these guys hate each other legit or what, but this featured the most vicious looking kicks and punches I've ever seen on a WCW show. Regal gets in crotchshot #2 in spectacular fashion. Tony gets in one of the great lines of the night when he sums up the match thusly: "This is a brutal, brutal match. They're just beating the snot out of each other and we're loving it." Regal even juices hardway after a particularly ugly Finlay right. Finally, the Bluebloods run in and beat the crap out of Finlay for the DQ. Regal gives him one final insulting slap on the way out. This was just wild. It was so realistic that it was almost uncomfortable to watch at times, like when Regal got busted open. Something very different from a normally watered-down federation.

 

Match is good because of its stiffness and intensity I think, but Regal and Finley work in a very similar British stiff style so it was to be expected really

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Who was intended to be the famous "Hummer" driver?

Carmen Electra.

[Guest Thrashist]

Anyone else amazed by the April 10th Nitro?

 

I know many viewed it as an illogical restart button to all of the company's woes, but I was really impressed by the whole spectacle. To go from Hogan vs Al Green matches and general mediocrity, to flashing lights, a renewed energy and the facing-off of all of the young oppressed workers versus the oppressors was, to put it in one word, surreal. The way the set the stage for Hogan vs Kidman, DDP vs Jarrett, Awesome vs Nash, Stasiak vs Hennig, Flair vs Douglas, Vampiro vs Sting, etc etc was great on that specific night, even if what was to follow wasn't all too pretty. I loved it--guess I was one of the few tools around who actually believed that Russo-Bischoff could bring the company out of stagnation.

 

If anyone has this on tape or on their comp, I WANT IT.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I agree, April 10th as a stand alone show is surreal for what had led up to it. It's just that they fucked it up in every way shape and form until 2001 hit.

 

I was really sad when WCW closed because they were really cranking out some solid to good shows every week in 2001.

[Guest MikeSC]

I agree, April 10th as a stand alone show is surreal for what had led up to it.  It's just that they fucked it up in every way shape and form until 2001 hit.

 

I was really sad when WCW closed because they were really cranking out some solid to good shows every week in 2001.

Umm, WHAT?

 

4/10/00 was a cop-out and nobody should have given them a chance.

-=Mike