JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Exactly how long WAS the SD Survivor Series Match? Longer than last years 5-on-5 rush-fest? I think last year's was 15:00, this was about 12:00. I propse they retire those matches. They're outdated and useless. It depends. I liked the SS matches last year. I think they're fine if you put something on the line in the match instead of just tossing shit out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Somebody wake me up when this is done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I wish Snitsky would come and help Heidenreich win this match, just to shock us all. Yeah...or they might want to save a Snitsky/Heidenreich Undertaker beat-down for the Rumble, and then have Kane return there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheLastBoyscout Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Exactly how long WAS the SD Survivor Series Match? Longer than last years 5-on-5 rush-fest? I think last year's was 15:00, this was about 12:00. I propse they retire those matches. They're outdated and useless. I disagree. They can be used to create or pay off multiple storylines in the same match. At the same time, the WWE has a ton of shitty workers and they can let shitty workers be in good matches just by booking them right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Were they THAT strapped for time considering the card has 6 matches? I guess the RAW Match gets about 40 minutes like last year, and Lita/Trish gets 20 (vomits). There were 7 matches on the card, which is one short of the standard far and the Raw match went 25 minutes last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Edit: Doublepost- sorry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Has Heidenreich vs. Undertaker replaced HHH vs. HBK HIAC as the new cure for insomnia? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 So, uh...the match is boring huh? Lots of punching, kicking, and choking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Has Heidenreich vs. Undertaker replaced HHH vs. HBK HIAC as the new cure for insomnia? Not while Undertaker/Gonzales is still on tape. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I propse they retire those matches. They're outdated and useless. Should they get rid of the Royal Rumble too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 To be honest, It's not as bad as I thought it would be............ Then again, I haven't been paying attention to it much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 15, 2004 UT/Gonzalez only lasted 8:00 though. I can just complain longer than that. HBK vs. HHH went 50:00 and I fell asleep twice during it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I propose they stay, if the writers know how to fucking book them. I say let RAW keep them and not Smackdown, considering two years straight the SD one has sucked balls or was super rushed. Both shows did the same thing 1. Pick eight or ten random people, some of which have no issue whatsoever 2. Align them along heel and face lines, some creating absurdly stupid teams. 3. In the case of Raw, add a stupid ass stipulation to get people to care at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Open the Muggy Gate 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Steve Keirn (or is it Kiern) is a road agent...I hope he doesn't come back, considering he's famous for being SKINNER (and that guy who teamed with Stan Lane) I forgot about that... Damn... on a side note... he came down to Memphis last week for a 6-man tag. Lawler & Rock n' Roll Express vs. Stan Lane & Steve Kiern (Fabulous Ones) and announcer COrey Maclin. Negative stars of course... Holy shit.......are you serious? Why not throw The Midnight Express and Freebirds in there also? yeah. Last month, they had Terry Funk, Kamala, Koko B. Ware, Grandmaster Sexay, Rikishi, Mordecai, King Mabel, and Lawler all on one show. THe main event was Terry Funk & Corey Maclin (They love main eventing shitty announcers in Memphis these days, this guy has no fucking talent) vs. Lawler and Jimmy Hart (yes, the vermin lives). Hell... if ya'll would want me too... I could recap Memphis wrestling every week for the hell of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I propse they retire those matches. They're outdated and useless. Should they get rid of the Royal Rumble too? Royal Rumble=Not useless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheLastBoyscout Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I propose they stay, if the writers know how to fucking book them. I say let RAW keep them and not Smackdown, considering two years straight the SD one has sucked balls or was super rushed. Both shows did the same thing 1. Pick eight or ten random people, some of which have no issue whatsoever 2. Align them along heel and face lines, some creating absurdly stupid teams. 3. In the case of Raw, add a stupid ass stipulation to get people to care at all. Except the people on RAW were aligned and DID have an issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted November 15, 2004 The SS match gimmick has usefulness if there's a stip or it's a case of Stable Vs Stable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Anglesault: They're not ALWAYS pointless and out of date. ...at least the main event one from 2001 wasn't... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 15, 2004 The Rumble has been predictable every year since 1999 (1997 if you think like Russo). That kinda makes it useless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Steve Keirn (or is it Kiern) is a road agent...I hope he doesn't come back, considering he's famous for being SKINNER (and that guy who teamed with Stan Lane) I forgot about that... Damn... on a side note... he came down to Memphis last week for a 6-man tag. Lawler & Rock n' Roll Express vs. Stan Lane & Steve Kiern (Fabulous Ones) and announcer COrey Maclin. Negative stars of course... Holy shit.......are you serious? Why not throw The Midnight Express and Freebirds in there also? yeah. Last month, they had Terry Funk, Kamala, Koko B. Ware, Grandmaster Sexay, Rikishi, Mordecai, King Mabel, and Lawler all on one show. THe main event was Terry Funk & Corey Maclin (They love main eventing shitty announcers in Memphis these days, this guy has no fucking talent) vs. Lawler and Jimmy Hart (yes, the vermin lives). Hell... if ya'll would want me too... I could recap Memphis wrestling every week for the hell of it. I didn't even know Koko B. Ware was still alive Sounds like some disgustingly horrible wrestling action Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheLastBoyscout Report post Posted November 15, 2004 The Rumble has been predictable every year since 1999 (1997 if you think like Russo). That kinda makes it useless. No it doesn't. I match can be good even if you KNOW who's going to win. If not, why would you ever watch a match more than once? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I propose they stay, if the writers know how to fucking book them. I say let RAW keep them and not Smackdown, considering two years straight the SD one has sucked balls or was super rushed. Both shows did the same thing 1. Pick eight or ten random people, some of which have no issue whatsoever 2. Align them along heel and face lines, some creating absurdly stupid teams. 3. In the case of Raw, add a stupid ass stipulation to get people to care at all. Except the people on RAW were aligned and DID have an issue. Not until the build had already started. Orton, Jericho, benoit and Maven (ugh) had absolutely nothing to do with each other until a week before the match was made. Ditto Evolution and Edge or Snitsky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exslade ZX 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Taker wins, Tombstone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Repo Man jr 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Taker totally kills heidi dead with Tombstone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 FINALLY! The match is over. Jesus Christ, that sucked balls. Taker won of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Anglesault: They're not ALWAYS pointless and out of date. ...at least the main event one from 2001 wasn't... So because it was relevant in 2001, that means it absolutely isn't outdated in 04. Can't argue that logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 So, they build up Heidenreich just for him to lose cleanly in his 1st PPV match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted November 15, 2004 The Rumble has been predictable every year since 1999 (1997 if you think like Russo). That kinda makes it useless. it's still WWE's biggest draw after Mania and it's the most popular gimmick match ever with the exception of Wargames. The predicatablity is a issue but that's mainly because of WWE's insistance on putting the title shot stip on there. It should be for simple bragging rights. The last unpredictable one was 2001 where it was Austin/Rock. We knew it was the Mania program but the question of who would be champion was still lingering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheLastBoyscout Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I propose they stay, if the writers know how to fucking book them. I say let RAW keep them and not Smackdown, considering two years straight the SD one has sucked balls or was super rushed. Both shows did the same thing 1. Pick eight or ten random people, some of which have no issue whatsoever 2. Align them along heel and face lines, some creating absurdly stupid teams. 3. In the case of Raw, add a stupid ass stipulation to get people to care at all. Except the people on RAW were aligned and DID have an issue. Not until the build had already started. Orton, Jericho, benoit and Maven (ugh) had absolutely nothing to do with each other until a week before the match was made. Ditto Evolution and Edge or Snitsky They still had an issue leading into the creation of the match. That's all you need, really. And all of the faces had had dealings with Evolution before that build up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 15, 2004 That's a crappy execution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
