Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 25, 2004 If this isn't the biggest load of bullshit I've ever seen, then I don't know what is. Can you name 1 bad Triple H match from 2000? (looks at watch) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 If this isn't the biggest load of bullshit I've ever seen, then I don't know what is. Can you name 1 bad Triple H match from 2000? (looks at watch) HHH/Austin from Survivor Series 2000 was awful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 25, 2004 I didn't find the match to be that bad, except for the horrible finish. Wasn't Austin still not in 100% physical condition for the match, which would explain why his first two matches happend to be brawls with no finishes? (Wait...did Austin wrestle between NM and SSeries? I mainly remember his "Who ran me over?" thing concluding) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Only The Strong Survive 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 The answer now would have to be Triple H. Jericho doesn't care anymore and it shows. Up until about a year ago, Jericho had an incomparable workrate, but now he's just going through the motions. Triple H was good until recently, but lately he's been more willing to sell and has been working a lot harder lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Can you name 1 bad Triple H match from 2000? HHH-Benoit at No Mercy was a bit of a stinker. Easily one of Benoit's worst 'big' matches. The Angle match on PPV (Unforgiven?) was crappola. The aformentioned Austin match. Anyway, I didn't say he was having 'bad' matches that year. I said your comment ("In 2000, Triple H was having great matches every single night against everyone") was bullshit. To say he had great matches on a nightly basis is ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 25, 2004 I said good (**-***+)-great (****+) matches and was busting his ass every night. I think someone else said great matches. On examination, Murmuring Beast said that comment. The match vs. Benoit wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either, and had nice psyhcology in it with Benoit working the arm of HHH leading up to the show. I'd rate it arounmd ***, give or take a sliver. HHH vs. Angle, although it was disappointing, wasn't bad either. They had a much better match at the Rumble PPV, although another crappy finish doesn't help. The Unforgiven match I'd rate slightly above **, and one of HHH's worst high profile matches of 2000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Apologies... He said HHH was having 'great matches every single night', and that is simply not true, as you yourself seem to have admitted. I'm not trying to say HHH had a bad year, just that the comment was bullshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous K89 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Comparing HHH/HBK to Jericho/HBK isn't quite that fair. Jericho had 2 matches with HBK, one on one, and both were quite good. HHH and HBK had like a billion matches with eachother and only 2 were memorable (Last Raw of 2003, Summerslam 2002). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 In 2000, Triple H was having great matches every single night against everyone. Of course, everyone = Angle/Jericho/Benoit/Rock/Foley. Wonder why all his matches were so good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Honestly, the people sucking the HHH Millenium-Edition cock need to get off it and realize that being carried to good matches does not make one a good worker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 25, 2004 I wonder how Rikishi carried HHH to that great Smackdown match, or that entertaining match Kane carried HHH to when he returned from...whatever the hell he lost. HHH, like it or not, was the man in 2000. He obviously was working hard almost every night, and almost always came out with a successful match. HHH hate for his 2000 run makes no sense. 2002? Yeah, he was horrible. 2000 he was the top performer in the WWF, and I hate him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Technically, wouldn't the only way to compare say HHH/HBK to Y2J/HBK be if they had the exact same build-up, played before the exact same crowd, in the same month (at least) and with the same basic framework? Otherwise, surely it'd be easy to argue against either decision. And while we're on the subject, shouldn't every match be judged on merit, rather than saying 'Rock versus HHH was a Rock carry job' when describing every Rock/HHH match ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Wasn't Austin still not in 100% physical condition for the match, which would explain why his first two matches happend to be brawls with no finishes? Yeah...that must be why he had a great TV match with Benoit the night after SSeries. 2000 Benoit > 2000 HHH, btw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous K89 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2004 What I'm saying with HBK/HHH and HBK/Y2J is that HBK/HHH wasn't a consistant series of good matches, the vast majority of them weren't anything above average. Whereas everytime Jericho and HBK were in a match, it was entertaining. For every good HBK/HHH match, there is like 3-4 average matches. So, instead, let's compare HBK/HHH from Royal Rumble to HBK/Y2J at WMXIX. From that comparison, HHH is clearly the better wrestler (using the term, "worker" is so fucking stupid on this board). *rolls eyes* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2004 Wasn't Austin still not in 100% physical condition for the match, which would explain why his first two matches happend to be brawls with no finishes? Yeah...that must be why he had a great TV match with Benoit the night after SSeries. 2000 Benoit > 2000 HHH, btw. Actually, I recall not liking the Radicalz very much that year at all. He did have that nice match with Rock, but I recall them being really held back move wise and using some pretty generic offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2004 but I recall them being really held back move wise and using some pretty generic offense. Saturn was really the worst one out of all 4 of the Radicalz that year since his high-flying style had been replaced by a boring power-move style by WWE, apparently, whereas Eddie had slightly declined due to his car accident from 1998, Malenko was underused, and Benoit's main-event status was teased most of the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted November 26, 2004 "He did have that nice match with Rock, but I recall them being really held back move wise and using some pretty generic offense. " Well for starters Benoit didn't have generic offense. Secondly it's silly to use "generic offense" to defend Hunter Hearst "I wouldn't know a moveset if my life depended on it" Helmsley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banders Kennany Report post Posted November 26, 2004 Jericho is a better worker. I'm talking over the course of a career here too. Triple H has let people's weaknesses show way too often and that is something I don't think Jericho has EVER done. Plus, Jericho has had credibility as a worked since at least 95, nobody is going to tell me that Triple H has been a good or even decend worker longer than that. How does he let an opponent's weaknesses show here? That second part doesn't even matter, since we're talking about who was a better wrestler for longer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2004 This is all bullshit. Jericho is a better worker. That's not to say that HHH is a bad worker. But he's only good when motivated. And he can only work the WWE stlye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Icanshave Report post Posted November 26, 2004 Jericho has the better offense because his style is very variable.Jericho also,when wrestling with superior wrestling is more enjoyable because he's more about intelligence and his selling sucks this year,I think.Jericho's mostly average this year. Triple H is probably the better seller and bumper.Triple H's selling is more allowed because of his slow style.I think Triple H is something like decent for offense, though it's powerful and smart but as far as adjusting,Triple H doesn't do that much. Both has had good to great matches.John Cena has had good matches and maybe great and he sucks.Better performances would be better to ask. Some people use numerous of matches to why Triple H is great and he did nothing outstanding.(Ex:Royal Rumble 2000)Triple H can work,he can sell perfectly but he isn't a great wrestler because you can name matches from 2000 where his opponents probably outperformed him. Jericho is better because of style and he's less limited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted November 27, 2004 Jericho is the better worker. Case closed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted November 27, 2004 HHH and Jericho both have the abiltiy to have good matches. But Jericho has proven that he can have decent TV matches with bag of dog shit while HHH either stops trying or isn't good enough to do the same. I think HHH is a better heel than Jericho in thr ring, But Jericho smokes him as a face. Plus Jericho's has better mic skills and charisma than HHH. Jericho also bumps alot better mainly because HHH is such a Flair mark, so he dosnt bother mastering his bumping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted November 27, 2004 Wasn't Austin still not in 100% physical condition for the match, which would explain why his first two matches happend to be brawls with no finishes? Yeah...that must be why he had a great TV match with Benoit the night after SSeries. 2000 Benoit > 2000 HHH, btw. Do u have to comment on every Austin comment ever? Dude, get over it man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted November 27, 2004 If Jericho had half the opportunities that Triple H does, in terms of booking, in terms of blood and table spots, promo and face time, and time per matches, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just John 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2004 If you look at their common opponents, the majority of them had better matches with Jericho (Angle, Michaels, Goldberg, Benoit, Kane, Steiner, Nash, Van Dam etc. and arguably Rocky all had better matches with Jericho). I would agree with most of those, but while I haven't seen all the Rock/Jericho matches, I find it hard to believe any of them would top the Rock/HHH iron man from Judgment Day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2004 I find it hard to believe any of them would top the Rock/HHH iron man from Judgment Day. That match is ridiculously overrated. I think the only reason people think it's this classic match is because they went 60:00. Jericho v Rock from No Mercy 2001 blows it out of the water, even with the shitty finish, and the same with Jericho v Rock from the 2002 Rumble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just John 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2004 I really like the IM match, outside of a couple minor complaints. I don't like the fact the Rock's leg work didn't go anywhere, or that the did basically the same brawling sequence up the ramp twice. However, they also had some really good spots and I never felt genuinely bored watching it, which is more than I can say for any other IM match I've seen. I haven't seen the NM match, but I would definitely take the IM over the Rumble match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2004 Judgement Day IM > WrestleMania IM. In a walk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 27, 2004 Judgment Day IM >>> any WWF/E PPV/TV Iron Man Match ever. Bret/HBK? Boring... Dead crowd didn't help much either. Angle/Brock? How dare people call this piece of crap great. 40 minutes of boring wrestling and no selling. Benoit/HHH? Eh...Not bad, but lame-ass finish. I mean REALLY lame-ass finish. I've never seen Flair/Bret or Owen/Bret, but since they aren't "Official" matches (a.k.a House Shows), I really won't compare them to PPV/TV ones that had hype to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted November 28, 2004 Judgement Day IM > WrestleMania IM. In a walk. The story behind the WM match alone makes it the best IM match in WWE history. Easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites