EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 MLB.com has released the HOF ballot for this year.... http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb...s_mlb&fext=.jsp The inductees are announced sometime in January. I plan on writing on my choices laster, but for now here's a list of the candidates, sorted by Win Shares... Wade Boggs Ryne Sandberg Andre Dawson Bert Blyleven Dave Parker Alan Trammell Dale Murphy Tommy John Chili Davis Jim Rice Steve Garvey Dave Concepcion Tony Phillips Don Mattingly Darryl Strawberry Jack Morris Willie McGee Goose Gossage Lee Smith Mark Langston Terry Steinbach Bruce Sutter Tom Candiotti Jeff Montgomery Otis Nixon Jack McDowell Jim Abbott Relievers will always struggle to accumulate value, so take Sutter, Lee, Gossage, and Montgomery's rankings in context. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 Ryne Sandberg. Do it. Now. Please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 Sandberg MUST be elected. I'd love to see Strawberry get elected, just for the after party. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Happy Medium 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 I want to see Boggs, Sandberg and Dawson elected very badly. Dawson was so damned underrated throughout his career...he was just two more good seasons away from 3000, and 500....still did have over 1500 RBIs in his career though. Sandberg and Boggs have been called HoF's since they retired. I'd be shocked if Ryno didn't make it in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 What it will be. Wade Boggs. Sandberg and possibly Bruce Sutter will make it in 2006. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Ryno and Boggs are shoe-ins. Dawson, Blyleven, Parker, etc. are iffier, but mainly because of the voters' tendencies to only elect 2-3 people per Hall class. I feel that Lee Smith SHOULD be in, but that the inherent bias of relievers is against him. (Eckersley got in because he was a good starter before he became The Man as a closer in Oakland) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Sandberg Blyleven Boggs I'd like to see Lee Smith....if I'm not mistaken, didn't he at one point hold the all time saves lead? I can't decide if Abbott really should be a nominee...I don't mean to sound like a dickhead, but how much of his nomination is because of him having one hand? Granted, a no-hitter is unreal, let alone with one hand, so I can't decide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 I don't understand why Sandberg wasn't 1st ballot to begin with. The guy was an MVP and was the best 2nd baseman in the National League for years. Add to it that he has the most career homers for a 2nd baseman. Boggs is obviously in with 3000 hits. Dawson is trickier. He's one of those guys that will have to wait a long time. I used to like Andre but he's one of those guys that is maybe a tad less than HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Sandberg Blyleven Boggs I'd like to see Lee Smith....if I'm not mistaken, didn't he at one point hold the all time saves lead? I can't decide if Abbott really should be a nominee...I don't mean to sound like a dickhead, but how much of his nomination is because of him having one hand? Granted, a no-hitter is unreal, let alone with one hand, so I can't decide. Abbott is on there because he meets the basic eligibility requirements. Everyone who played X number of years in the league gets on the ballot at least once, although they'll probably get voted off unless something makes them REALLY stick out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Jim Abbott is a questionable ballot choice. He barely meets the eligibility requirements, and was never selected to an All-Star team. All he has going for him is an 18 win season. I'll review all the candidates later on, but for now I'll register my support of Bert Blyleven. 287 career wins. 3,701 strikeouts, which was third when he retired (now fifth). 5-1 record in postseason play. Two world series championships. A career ERA 18% better than the league average. And he played most of his career on bad teams. Had he pitched for better teams, he would have easily crossed 300 wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tominator89 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 I can't help but pull for Mattingly to get a spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 30, 2004 The veterans will probably get Mattingly in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Depends on how they work the committee. The current veterans' committee is unlikely to ever elect anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted November 30, 2004 I hate to admit it but Sandberg really should get in. He went to my highschool so I got sick of always hearing about him from the coaches and teachers who were around when he was there. And when he gets in I'll never see the end of it on the news, but he does deserve it, no denying that. Besides him I say go Otis Nixon!!!!!!!! or not Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Besides him I say go Otis Nixon!!!!!!!! or not It's amazing how a man can play in the majors for seventeen seasons, and have so few HOF accomplishments. Even Jim Abbott scores higher on the HOF Monitor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Boggs gets in this year, Sandberg in 2006, and then the McGwire, Gwynn, Ripken class of 2007. It's doubtful anyone else on this list ever gets in. I did this back in July in another topic so I'll just C&P: Ryne Sandberg - Second Baseman - Philadelphia 1981, Chicago (NL) 1982-97 Black Ink: Batting - 14 (159) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 134 (120) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 42.7 (118) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 157.5 (60) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 MVP, 9 Gold Gloves, 10 All-Star selections, 3 times led league in runs, 1 time led league in total bases, 1 time led league in triples, 1 time led league in homeruns. Career Rankings: 93rd in runs, 97th in hits, 85th in total bases. OPS+: 114 Most Similar Player: Lou Whitaker Bruce Sutter - Closer - Chicago (NL) 1976-80, St. Louis 1981-84, Atlanta 1985-88 Black Ink: Pitching - 15 (135) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 30 (734) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 17.0 (325) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 91.0 (112) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 Cy Young, 4 Rolaids Relief Awards, 6 All-Star selections, 5 times led league in saves. Career rankings: 88th in games, 16th in saves. Most Similar Player: Doug Jones Jim Rice - Left Fielder - Boston 1974-89 Black Ink: Batting - 33 (49) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 176 (56) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 42.9 (116) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 146.5 (75) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 MVP, 8 All-Star selections, 2 times led league in slugging, 1 time led league in OPS, 1 time led league in hits, 4 time led league in total bases, 1 time led league in triples, 3 times led league in homeruns, 2 time led league in RBI. Career rankings: 84th in slugging, 98th in runs, 90th in hits, 56th in total bases, 45th in homeruns, 46th in RBI. OPS+: 128 Most Similar Player: Orlando Cepeda (HOF) Andre Dawson - Right Fielder/Center Fielder - Montreal 1976-86, Chicago (NL) 1987-92, Boston 1993-94, Florida 1995-96 Black Ink: Batting - 11 (199) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 164 (66) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 43.7 (108) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 118.0 (110) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 MVP, ROY, 8 Gold Gloves, 8 All-Star selections, 1 time led league in hits, 2 times led league in total bases, 1 time led league in homeruns, 1 time led league in RBI. Career Rankings: 79th in runs, 43rd in hits, 24th in total bases, 39th in doubles, 29th in homeruns, 28th in RBI. OPS+: 119 Most Similar Player: Billy Williams (HOF) Rich Gossage - Closer - Chicago (AL) 1972-76, Pittsburgh 1977, New York (AL) 1978-83 89, San Diego 1984-87, Chicago (NL) 1988, San Francisco 1989, Texas 1991, Oakland 1992-93, Seattle 1994 Black Ink: Pitching - 9 (243) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 41 (570) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 19.0 (280) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 126.0 (58) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 Rolaids Relief Award, 9 All-Star selections, 3 times led league in saves. Career Rankings: 8th in games, 13th in saves. Most Similar Player: Rollie Fingers (HOF) Lee Smith - Closer - Chicago (NL) 1980-87, Boston 1988-90, St. Louis 1990-93, New York (AL) 1993, Baltimore 1994, California 1995-96, Cincinnati 1996, Montreal 1997 Black Ink: Pitching - 12 (174) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 48 (497) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 13.0 (452) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 136.0 (47) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 3 Rolaids Relief Awards, 7 All-Star selections, 4 times led league in saves. Career Rankings: 7th in games, 1st in saves. Most Similar Player: Jeff Reardon Bert Blyleven - Starting Pitcher - Minnesota 1970-76 85-88, Texas 1976-77, Pittsburgh 1978-80, Cleveland 1981-85, California 1989-92 Black Ink: Pitching - 16 (128) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 239 (22) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 50.0 (36) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 120.5 (65) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 2 All-Star selections, 1 time led league in strikeout to walk ratio, 1 time led league in strikeouts, 1 time led league in complete games, 3 times led league in shutouts, 1 time led league in ERA+. Career Rankings: 25th in wins, 85th in K/9IP, 5th in strikeouts, 91st in complete games, 9th in shutouts. Most Similar Player: Don Sutton (HOF) Jack Morris - Starting Pitcher - Detroit 1977-90, Minnesota 1991, Toronto 1992-93, Cleveland 1994 Black Ink: Pitching - 20 (86) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 190 (45) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 39.0 (70) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 122.5 (61) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 World Series MVP, 5 All-Star selections, 2 times led league in wins, 1 time led league in strikeouts, 1 time led league in complete games, 1 time led league in shutouts. Career Rankings: 38th in wins, 27th in strikeouts. Most Similar Player: Dennis Martinez Steve Garvey - First Baseman - Los Angeles 1969-82, San Diego 1983-87 Black Ink: Batting - 12 (182) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 142 (105) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 31.5 (244) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 130.5 (94) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 MVP, 2 NLCS MVP, 4 Gold Gloves, 10 All-Star selections, 2 times led league in hits. Career Rankings: 68th in hits, 71st in total bases, 81st in doubles, 82 in RBI. OPS+: 116 Most Similar Player: Al Oliver Tommy John - Starting Pitcher - Cleveland 1963-64, Chicago (AL) 1965-71, Los Angeles 1972-78, New York (AL) 1979-82 86-89, California 1982-85, Oakland 1985 Black Ink: Pitching - 8 (271) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 137 (114) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 44.0 (50) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 111.0 (75) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 4 All-Star selections, 1 time led league in BB/9IP, 3 times led league in shutouts. Career Rankings: 24th in wins, 45th in strikeouts, 26th in shutouts. Most Similar Player: Jim Kaat Alan Trammell - Shortstop - Detroit 1977-96 Gray Ink: Batting - 48 (492) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 40.4 (138) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 118.5 (108) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 World Series MVP, 4 Gold Gloves, 6 All-Star selections. OPS+: 110 Most Similar Player: Barry Larkin Don Mattingly - First Baseman - New York (AL) 1982-95 Black Ink: Batting - 23 (83) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 111 (178) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 34.1 (202) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 133.5 (89) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 MVP, 9 Gold Gloves, 6 All-Star selections, 1 time led league in batting average, 1 time led league in slugging, 1 time led league in OPS, 2 times led league in hits, 2 times led league in total bases, 3 times led league in doubles, 1 time led league in RBI, 2 times led league in OPS+. Career Rankings: 78th in doubles. OPS+: 127 Most Similar Player: Cecil Cooper Dave Concepcion - Shortstop - Cincinnati 1970-88 Gray Ink: Batting - 25 (843) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 29.1 (300) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 106.5 (130) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 5 Gold Gloves, 9 All-Star selections. OPS+: 88 Most Similar Player: Bobby Wallace (HOF) Dave Parker - Right Fielder - Pittsburgh 1973-83, Cincinnati 1984-87, Oakland 1988-89, Milwaukee 1990, California 1991, Toronto 1991 Black Ink: Batting - 26 (68) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 145 (95) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 41.1 (130) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 125.5 (100) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 MVP, 3 Gold Gloves, 7 All-Star selections, 2 times led league in batting average, 2 times led league in slugging, 1 time led league in OPS, 1 time led league in hits, 3 times led league in total bases, 2 times led league in doubles, 1 time led league in RBI, 1 time led league in OPS+. Career Rankings: 52nd in hits, 39th in total bases, 29th in doubles, 74th in homeruns, 41st in RBI. OPS+: 121 Most Similar Player: Tony Perez (HOF) Dale Murphy - Center Fielder/Right Fielder - Atlanta 1976-90, Philadelphia 1990-92, Colorado 1993 Black Ink: Batting - 31 (54) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 147 (87) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 34.3 (199) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 115.5 (114) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 2 MVP, 5 Gold Gloves, 7 All-Star selections, 2 times led league in slugging, 1 time led league in OPS, 1 time led league in runs, 1 time led league in total bases, 2 times led league in homeruns, 2 times led league in RBI. Career Rankings: 94th in total bases, 38th in homeruns, 97th in RBI. OPS+: 121 Most Similar Player: Joe Carter Jim Abbott - Starting Pitcher - California 1989-92 95-96, New York (AL) 1993-94, Chicago (AL) 1995 98, Milwaukee 1999 Gray Ink: Pitching - 28 (791) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 3.0 (934) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 6.0 (1068) (Likely HOFer > 100) Most Similar Player: Jim Deshaies Jeff Blauser - Shortstop - Atlanta 1987-97, Chicago (NL) 1998-99 Gray Ink: Batting - 9 (1355) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 23.0 (523) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 34.0 (492) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 2 All-Star selections. Most Similar Player: Robby Thompson Wade Boggs - Third Baseman - Boston 1982-92, New York (AL) 1993-97, Tampa Bay 1998-99 Black Ink: Batting - 37 (39) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 138 (109) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 57.5 (32) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 268.0 (16) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 2 Gold Gloves, 12 All-Star selections, 5 times led league in batting average, 6 times led league in OBP, 2 times led league in OPS, 2 times led league in runs, 1 time led league in hits, 2 times led league in doubles, 1 time led league in OPS+. Career Rankings: 34th in batting average, 27th in OBP, 54th in runs, 23rd in hits, 60th in total bases, 15th in doubles, 21st in walks. OPS+: 130 Most Similar Player: Rod Carew (HOF) Tom Candiotti - Starting Pitcher - Milwaukee 1983-84, Cleveland 1986-91 99, Toronto 1991, Los Angeles 1992-97, Oakland 1998-99 Black Ink: Pitching - 2 (702) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 62 (375) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 17.0 (325) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 11.5 (806) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 time led league in complete games. Career Rankings: 87th in strikeouts. Most Similar Player: Bob Knepper Chili Davis - Designated Hitter/Outfielder - San Francisco 1981-87, California 1988-90 93-96, Minnesota 1991-92, Kansas City 1997, New York (AL) 1998-99 Gray Ink: Batting - 45 (523) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 38.0 (156) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 29.0 (557) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 3 All-Star selections. Career Rankings: 73rd in total bases, 68th in homeruns, 66th in RBI, 50th in walks. OPS+: 121 Most Similar Player: Don Baylor Jeff King - Third Baseman/First Baseman - Pittsburgh 1989-96, Kansas City 1997-99 Gray Ink: Batting - 11 (1244) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 12.9 (1263) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 11.0 (998) (Likely HOFer > 100) Most Similar Player: Candy Maldonado Mark Langston - Starting Pitcher - Seattle 1984-89, Montreal 1989, California/Anaheim 1990-97, San Diego 1998, Cleveland 1999 Black Ink: Pitching - 12 (174) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 128 (131) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 23.0 (210) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 64.0 (178) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 7 Gold Gloves, 4 All-Star Selections, 4 times led league in strikeout to walk ratio, 3 times led league in strikeouts. Career Rankings: 33rd in strikeout to walk ratio, 28th in strikeouts. Most Similar Player: Fernando Valenzuela Jack McDowell - Starting Pitcher - Chicago (AL) 1987-94, New York (AL) 1995, Cleveland 1996-97, Anaheim 1998-99 Black Ink: Pitching - 13 (158) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 85 (256) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 18.0 (300) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 36.5 (336) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 Cy Young, 3 All-Star Selections, 1 time led league in wins, 3 times led league in complete games, 1 time led league in shutouts. Most Similar Player: Denny McLain Willie McGee - Center Fielder - St. Louis 1982-90 96-99, Oakland 1990, San Francisco 1991-94, Boston 1995 Black Ink: Batting - 12 (182) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 56 (426) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 22.9 (545) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 77.5 (206) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 MVP, 3 Gold Gloves, 4 All-Star selections, 2 times led league in batting average, 1 time led league in hits, 1 time led league in triples. Career Rankings: 97th in stolen bases. OPS+: 100 Most Similar Player: Hal Chase Brian McRae - Center Fielder - Kansas City 1990-94, Chicago (NL) 1995-97, New York (NL) 1997-99, Colorado 1999, Toronto 1999 Black Ink: Batting - 1 (685) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 25 (843) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 11.3 (1426) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 5.0 (1395) (Likely HOFer > 100) OPS+: 93 Most Similar Player: Terry Moore Jeff Montgomery - Closer - Cincinnati 1987, Kansas City 1988-99 Black Ink: Pitching - 3 (520) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 27 (814) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 74.0 (150) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 Rolaids Relief Award, 3 All-Star selections, 1 time led league in saves. Career Rankings: 63rd in games, 14th in saves. Most Similar Player: Roberto Hernandez Otis Nixon - Center Fielder - New York (AL) 1983, Cleveland 1984-87, Montreal 1988-90, Atlanta 1991-93 99, Boston 1994, Texas 1995, Toronto 1996-97, Los Angeles 1997, Minnesota 1998 Gray Ink: Batting - 27 (805) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 15.1 (1015) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 2.5 (1733) (Likely HOFer > 100) Career Rankings: 15th in stolen bases. OPS+: 77 Most Similar Player: Jimmy Slagle Tony Phillips - Second Baseman/Left Fielder/Third Baseman - Oakland 1982-89 99, Detroit 1990-94, California/Anaheim 1995 97, Chicago (AL) 1996-97, Toronto 1998, New York (NL) 1998 Black Ink: Batting - 7 (293) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 42 (561) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 32.7 (226) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 26.5 (595) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 1 time led league in runs, 2 times led league in walks. Career Rankings: 99th in runs, 30th in walks. OPS+: 109 Most Similar Player: Eddie Yoost Mark Portugal - Starting Pitcher - Minnesota 1985-88, Houston 1989-93, San Francisco 1994-95, Cincinnati 1995-96, Philadelphia 1997-98, Boston 1999 Black Ink: Pitching - 4 (434) (Average HOFer ~ 40) Gray Ink: Pitching - 18 (1070) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 8.0 (682) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 8.0 (949) (Likely HOFer > 100) Most Similar Player: Steve Stone Terry Steinbach - Catcher - Oakland 1986-96, Minnesota 1997-99 HOF Standards: Batting - 25.0 (438) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 47.0 (362) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: 3 All-Star selections. OPS+: 102 Most Similar Player: Elston Howard Darryl Strawberry - Right Fielder - New York (NL) 1983-90, Los Angeles 1991-93, San Francisco 1994, New York (AL) 1995-99 Black Ink: Batting - 7 (293) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 100 (214) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 29.6 (290) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 56.5 (296) (Likely HOFer > 100) Accomplishments: ROY, 8 All-Star selections, 1 time led league in slugging, 1 time led league in OPS, 1 time led league in homeruns, 1 time led league in OPS+. Career Rankings: 79th in slugging, 78th in homeruns, 83rd in OPS+. OPS+: 138 Most Similar Player: Jay Buhner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Interesting to note Jeff King and Jeff Blauser on that list, neither of whom made the ballot. Those also eligible but not on the ballot include Brian McRae, Mike Macfarlane, Kirk Manwaring, Paul Sorrento, Dale Sveum, Mark Portugal, and Mel Rojas. I am very surprised by the exclusion of Portugal. Usually topping 100 wins at least gets you on the ballot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 On the subject of closers, it's sad how Dan Quisenberry was every bit as dominant as the top candidates, and he almost never enters a Hall of Fame discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 I am very surprised by the exclusion of Portugal. That's a country, st00pid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Boggs will be in for sure, and I hope Sandberg gets in as well. I think Dawson and Blyleven might be the class of 2006, where there is no shoo-in candidate. 2007 is obviously McGwire, Ripken, Gwynn. I don't think the main reason Eck got in is because he was a former starter, though that helped (190 wins/300 saves). I think he got in based on the fact that he was just so dominant during his time in the A's pen, and was a significant factor in their 1988-90 run. Smith still has the most saves ever, but he never had the dominant season Eck had in 1991. A lot of getting into the Hall depends on your teammates too, and it helped that Eck appeared in three World Series while Smith never pitched for a pennant winner. Question for al: How is the Veteran's Committee made up now? I know it was revamped to supposedly get rid of the bias but now it seems like it's nearly impossible to elect someone. They have Ron Santo, one of the best third basemen ever to play the game on their lst, you would think it was a shoo-in vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Interesting to note Jeff King and Jeff Blauser on that list, neither of whom made the ballot. Those also eligible but not on the ballot include Brian McRae, Mike Macfarlane, Kirk Manwaring, Paul Sorrento, Dale Sveum, Mark Portugal, and Mel Rojas. I am very surprised by the exclusion of Portugal. Usually topping 100 wins at least gets you on the ballot. Dale Sveum should be on the ballot just on the basis of mustache. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Question for al: How is the Veteran's Committee made up now? I know it was revamped to supposedly get rid of the bias but now it seems like it's nearly impossible to elect someone. They have Ron Santo, one of the best third basemen ever to play the game on their lst, you would think it was a shoo-in vote. The current veterans' committee consists of the current class of Hall of Famers. They are given a ballot, and 75% is needed for induction. They vote every two years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARTYEWR 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Al, I know you like to do Keltner Lists with randomly selected players, but, if you don't mind requests at all, one covering Darryl Strawberry would be veddy interesting... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Besides him I say go Otis Nixon!!!!!!!! or not It's amazing how a man can play in the majors for seventeen seasons, and have so few HOF accomplishments. Even Jim Abbott scores higher on the HOF Monitor. Hey give the man points for looking like he's 100 when he's 30. That's gotta count for something! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Does Sandberg still have the record for homers by a 2nd baseman? If so, you'd think that along with an MVP and 9 Gold Gloves would get him in. They just put Ozzie Smith in, and Ozzie was to shortstop what Sandberg was to 2nd in that era (albeit more flashy of course), and Sandberg certainly swung the bat better. I have a sort of cognitive dissonance regarding Mattingly. When I think of him I say "Great ballplayer" yet he's not in the Hall. I guess injuries and playing for some crappy Yankee teams in the 80s hurt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2004 Does Sandberg still have the record for homers by a 2nd baseman? If so, you'd think that along with an MVP and 9 Gold Gloves would get him in. They just put Ozzie Smith in, and Ozzie was to shortstop what Sandberg was to 2nd in that era (albeit more flashy of course), and Sandberg certainly swung the bat better. I don't think you can really compare Ozzie to Sandberg. Ozzie wasn't just a flashy shortstop. He got to EVERYTHING in his direction. Sandberg was a nice fielder, but no one compares to Ozzie in the field. I do think Sandberg deserves the Hall. I have a sort of cognitive dissonance regarding Mattingly. When I think of him I say "Great ballplayer" yet he's not in the Hall. I guess injuries and playing for some crappy Yankee teams in the 80s hurt. While the Mattingly Yankees never won a pennant, they did win two division titles, and twice won ninety games. Mattingly is hurt because had a very short peak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2004 Why didn't Blauser make the ballot? I'd vote for him out of loyalty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MentallyNormal Report post Posted December 2, 2004 No to the Straw! Mr. Burns will put him in the Springville Softball hall of fame though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted December 2, 2004 I have a sort of cognitive dissonance regarding Mattingly. When I think of him I say "Great ballplayer" yet he's not in the Hall. I guess injuries and playing for some crappy Yankee teams in the 80s hurt. While the Mattingly Yankees never won a pennant, they did win two division titles, and twice won ninety games. Mattingly is hurt because had a very short peak. The Yankees never won the division with Mattingly (except for the strike year). They did win 90 games three times ('83, '85, '86). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARTYEWR 0 Report post Posted December 2, 2004 No to the Straw! Mr. Burns will put him in the Springville Softball hall of fame though. Where's Springville? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
