The Official Rose Bowl Thread

[Agent_Bond34 0]

Just to carry over from the Orange Bowl thread....

 

Are you serious? People actually listened to Mack Brown's whining and moved Texas up? Oh well, the bias towards the Big XII continues.

 

Before it was made official yesterday, I had originally heard it on College GameDay Final, the night before.

 

So, apparently they listened to his whining enough to put his overrated team into the BCS, ahead of a superior Cal team. Granted, Cal had barely beaten Southern Miss, but, I still think they're better than the Longhorns, either way.

 

As for this game itself, I am picking Michigan to beat Texas.

 

How about you guys?

[iggymcfly 0]

Nah, the Big 10's terrible this year. Their co-champion Iowa lost to Arizona State 44-7. The way that Michigan fell apart the last weekend leads me to believe that even overrated shitty Texas will be able to beat them.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

You can't take anything out of the Michigan/OSU game. You could have a 10-0 team and an 0-10 team in that game and the outcome would still be in doubt.

[Guest The Gecko]

You can't take anything out of the Michigan/OSU game.  You could have a 10-0 team and an 0-10 team in that game and the outcome would still be in doubt.

Exactly! I think Michigan has a solid team. Granted I'm a homer, but thats not the point. The Big Ten is weak yes, but that doesn't mean that Michigan is. They have a great young RB, possibly the best WR trio in the country, and a solid young QB. As long as Hart can run the ball and Henne doesn't make any major mistakes I think they can beat any team in the country. Their defense is solid too by the way, and Ernest Shazor is a stud. I think they have a good chance of beating Texas. I'm actually quite glad that the Longhorns passed Cal .

[Slayer 0]

I was away from the computer all day yesterday, so I could not voice my total frustration when I heard that the BCS picked UT over Cal and once again failed to produce a Big 10/Pac 10 Rose Bowl matchup when the possibility was clearly there...

 

Well, being a big Michigan fan and hater of UT, that tells you where my allegiance in this game is

[CanadianChris 0]

If Texas is playing, I sure as hell won't be watching. Fuck the BCS.

[Guest Crazy Dan]

I am disapointed Cal didn't get the Rose Bowl bid, but such is life... but I am a lil ticked that Pitt gets to play in the Fiesta Bowl. I am sorry, but since Miami and Va Tech left, the Big East is terrible. I rather see Utah play Cal in that game, instead of a Pitt team that is going to get killed by Utah, gut feeling. And it is disappointing that Tedford decided to show class and not run the score up on Southern Miss and that ended up hurting them.

 

We really need a playoff system, plain and simple. There would be no more hassels like this one...

[sfaJack 0]

I am disapointed Cal didn't get the Rose Bowl bid, but such is life... but I am a lil ticked that Pitt gets to play in the Fiesta Bowl.  I am sorry, but since Miami and Va Tech left, the Big East is terrible.  I rather see Utah play Cal in that game, instead of a Pitt team that is going to get killed by Utah, gut feeling.

Exactly. Everyone bitching about how Cal got screwed needs to realize that the real problem of the BCS is the fact that either Texas or Cal was going to get screwed, and that it was going to be an injustice to whichever school got the snub (in this case, Cal). BOTH teams deserve to go, and most certainly deserve to go ahead of Pitt...and probably ahead of Utah as well. I'd have ZERO problem with Cal/Michigan in the Rose and Utah/Texas in the Fiesta.

 

You can make many arguments for both Texas and Cal to get the bid, and it is impossible to say that CLEARLY one deserves to go ahead of the other, the same as it is impossible to say that CLEARLY USC and OU are better than Auburn and deserve to play in the championship game.

 

Lay the blame at the feet of the poll voters, as they're the reason Texas is in the Rose Bowl. It's funny; the ones bitching about the pollsters lifting Texas to the Rose Bowl are many of the same ones that bitched last year when USC got squeezed out and demanded that the polls have a greater impact in the BCS rankings. Now they want the opposite...

[Matt Young 0]

I'm disappointed that Cal got screwed, but at least my allegiances won't be divided in that game now. I would've rooted for Michigan regardless, but I like Cal as well. Now they can both get bowl victories.

[Damaramu 0]

All Michigan has got to do is force Texas to throw. That simple. If they let Young and Benson run all over them then they're in for a bad day. The Texas defense I think can handle Michigan b/c well....they may be overrated but the defense is good and I don't think it's overrated. Especially with Derrick Johnson looking to take Henne and Hart's heads off.

 

I remember when nobody wanted OU in the Rose Bowl against WSU and they ended up turning WSU into their bitch. I wonder if Texas can do that and shut everyone up?

[lomasmoney 0]

Yes, Iowa did get smoked early in the year by Arizona State, but they were arguably the second hottest team in the nation after Virgina Tech the last half of the season. The Big Ten wasn't flat out horrible like people think, you just had too many underachiving teams like Purdue, Ohio State, Michigan State, even Wisconsin who totally fell apart at the end of the year. Michigan should beat Texas in a close one if they can just contain Vincent Young's running ability. If they cannot it will be Troy Smith part two where we shut down the team and allow the quarterback to make plays all day with his feet to kill us.

[Slayer 0]

I finally got around to looking at the non-BCS bowl schedule and Cal really did get screwed... not only not getting a BCS bowl but not getting a New Years Day bowl either

[Damaramu 0]

I finally got around to looking at the non-BCS bowl schedule and Cal really did get screwed... not only not getting a BCS bowl but not getting a New Years Day bowl either

Speaking of making someone there bitch......I always though Sonny Cumbie was one. Now Cal can prove it.

[Slayer 0]

I know this is just supposed to be about the Rose Bowl, but after looking at the whole bowl schedule... this sucks... I can only see 3-4 games I care about (in the past it would be upwards of 8-9)

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

We really need a playoff system, plain and simple. There would be no more hassels like this one...

Funny, this has absolutely nothing to do with there being a playoff or not. Because even if there were it would probably be 4 or 8 teams and Cal would still be shut out. And even if it was 16 teams, what makes you so sure Cal would get to play in a better bowl than the one they are in anyway?

[Damaramu 0]

Cal has every right to be pissed but they don't need to whine about it. Aaron Rodgers is calling Mack Brown classless and all of this. As true as that may be it makes him look like a whiner to stand up and say that.

Hell I don't see Auburn whining.

[sfaJack 0]

I don't get people bashing Mack Brown for his campaigning. What the hell is he supposed to do, just sit back and accept whatever fate he's handed?

 

His team is deserving of the BCS, and, as the head coach, it's his job to do all he can to get them there. Whether it works or not is out of his hands, but don't kill him for trying to get the best opportunity for his team.

 

Aaron Rodgers just needs to shut the hell up. If Cal had hung onto the fourth spot, he wouldn't have said a word about any of this. I guess it makes for a nice crutch, though.

[the pinjockey 0]

From ESPN.com:

"I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the [Texas A&M] game," Rodgers said. "I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself, and you shouldn't have to complain about the BCS system. Coach Tedford isn't going to, although he's frustrated just like we are. I think we're a bigger team, classier than that."

 

Gee Rodgers sure lit into him there didn't he. I fail to see how these comments are a problem.

 

As for the campaigning, Brown has had time to campaign for votes being idle this week. Cal had to worry about a game this week, a game that ended late enough that no one would be awake in the east or midwest to hear his campaigning afterward. So it would be pretty pointless.

[CanadianChris 0]

I remember when nobody wanted OU in the Rose Bowl against WSU and they ended up turning WSU into their bitch. I wonder if Texas can do that and shut everyone up?

I don't care what they do. I don't want to watch Texas in the Rose Bowl. I don't want to watch Texas, period. It's as simple as that.

 

As for Rodgers' comments...all I see is someone calling a spade a spade.

[Damaramu 0]

I remember when nobody wanted OU in the Rose Bowl against WSU and they ended up turning WSU into their bitch. I wonder if Texas can do that and shut everyone up?

I don't care what they do. I don't want to watch Texas in the Rose Bowl. I don't want to watch Texas, period. It's as simple as that.

 

As for Rodgers' comments...all I see is someone calling a spade a spade.

Well people can't say Texas doesn't deserve to be there if they blast Michigan like OU blasted WSU.

People said OU didn't belong in the Rose Bowl and they whipped ass.

What happens if Texas beats the hell out of Michigan?

 

Yeah I think Cal should be there over Texas but I swear everyone needs to come down off of there high horse when it comes to this BCS and Rose Bowl deal. If things had worked the way everyone wanted them to last year OU would've been in the Rose Bowl against Michigan and not USC. And everyone would be bitching about the lack of Pac-10/Big Ten matchup.

[sfaJack 0]

From ESPN.com:

"I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the [Texas A&M] game," Rodgers said. "I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself, and you shouldn't have to complain about the BCS system. Coach Tedford isn't going to, although he's frustrated just like we are. I think we're a bigger team, classier than that."

 

Gee Rodgers sure lit into him there didn't he. I fail to see how these comments are a problem.

I find Rodgers' comments to be no less whiny than Mack's. It's pretty easy to sit back and say "Oh, we'd obviously be more classy about it" when it's after the fact. I guarantee you that if the roles had been reversed and it was Cal who trailed Texas going into the final week (and with no games left), Mr. Rodgers and his friends would be doing the same thing Mack did. Period.

 

As for the campaigning, Brown has had time to campaign for votes being idle this week.  Cal had to worry about a game this week, a game that ended late enough that no one would be awake in the east or midwest to hear his campaigning afterward.  So it would be pretty pointless.

 

...and? They only had to play this week because of a hurricane. If not for a freaking hurricane, they'd have been just as vocal as Texas about the whole thing and you know it. Would the end result have been the same? Who knows. We'll never know.

 

People continue to lay the blame on Mack when it's obviously the voters that should bear the burden since they're the ones who changed things. They're supposed to be objective and fair, right? If that's really the case, then let Mack campaign all he wants because it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

[the pinjockey 0]

It is nice that you can guarantee a hypothetical situation.

 

And there is certainly fault with the voters. Don't think they are getting away blame free. They are a fraud.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Yeah I think Cal should be there over Texas but I swear everyone needs to come down off of there high horse when it comes to this BCS and Rose Bowl deal. If things had worked the way everyone wanted them to last year OU would've been in the Rose Bowl against Michigan and not USC. And everyone would be bitching about the lack of Pac-10/Big Ten matchup.

I think the difference is that, last year, OU deserved a BCS bowl, no question. Maybe not the national title, but the one ass-whooping in the championship game wouldn't negate the incredible season that had come before that. OU in the Rose Bowl would have been a bit of a spank on tradition, but at least it would have been an absolutely vital team to the BCS picture. Texas' credentials are a lot more questionable this time around, and Brown's campaigning is some whiny nonsense.

 

NCAA selection committee, dammit. Good enough for basketball, better than a Coaches' Poll.

[Damaramu 0]

Ok Edwin then if you wouldn't have had a problem with OU going to the Rose Bowl to play Michigan last year then what was with everyone getting mad in 2002 when they went to the Rose Bowl?

I remember everyone was angry that a Big XII team was runing the tradition and figured that there Pac 10 represenative would show everyone how it is to be. And then OU obliterated WSU in front of a majority of there fanbase and just pushed them around the field and made them look like shit. Then everyone was MORE pissed off that OU beat up the champions of the Pac 10!

So everyone is angry about Texas but I can gurantee you that if they walk in there and hand an ass beating to Michigan that people are going to go into atomic meltdown that that happened!

 

Oh and one more thing about Cal. Yes Texas Tech is not as good as Cal. But Cal had better not sleep on Tech. They had better not going in there thinking they're going to roll over Tech and be thinking about how pissed they are that they aren't at the Rose Bowl. Because if they sleep on Tech they'll get 24 points dropped on them in a hurry b/c that's the kind of offense Tech runs. So yes Cal is getting screwed and yes they are facing a team not as good as them. But they can't sleep on this team b/c it's a dangerous team.

[nogoodnick 0]

Mack Brown is a piece of shit who needs to either beat Oklahoma or shut the fuck up. Thats the reason Texas will never play for a national championship. Also I hate him for playing Chris Sims. He has all the talent in the world and still cant beat the Sooners once.

 

And Dama Wazzu sucked in 2002. Mike Price had already accepted the Alabama job and didn't give two shits about WSU. And people said OU didnt belong there because they wanted a traditional Big 10 Pac 10 matchup not because the Sooners weren't good.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Please, stop being this dense. Oklahoma in the Rose Bowl was a slap in the face to every college football fan yet again. The Rose Bowl should always be Pac 10 vs. Big Ten and people will always rightfully be pissed off when it's not. Nothing against Oklahoma but they should NEVER have been in a Rose Bowl.

[nogoodnick 0]

USC played Iowa in the Fiesta in 2002 didn't they. Why didn't Iowa go to the Rose Bowl and have a USC OU matchup in the Fiesta?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Because it wouldn't be the BCS without fucking up every possible thing in college football.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

USC played Iowa in the Fiesta in 2002 didn't they. Why didn't Iowa go to the Rose Bowl and have a USC OU matchup in the Fiesta?

That was the Orange Bowl, actually - Rose Bowl East. The Orange snatched them up before the Rose had a chance. Can't happen anymore - a bowl can demand holding onto its "host team" if another bowl picks before them, or something along those lines.

 

Ok Edwin then if you wouldn't have had a problem with OU going to the Rose Bowl to play Michigan last year then what was with everyone getting mad in 2002 when they went to the Rose Bowl?

 

Last year, USC was really the only great team in the Pac-10. Had they gone to the Sugar Bowl for the National Title, which is the only place they would gone besides the Rose Bowl, it wouldn't have made a lot of sense for a Pac-10 team to be in the Rose. I don't think Washington State was even eligible for an at-large bid.

 

In 2002, it was just disappointing because there was absolutely the potential for a great Rose Bowl game, even with Ohio State going to the Fiesta for the national championship. Most people thought Iowa was just as good, and since the teams never played they both went 8-0 in conference play. USC/Iowa would have been a dream Rose Game that year, but that went to the Orange.

[nogoodnick 0]

Didnt Wazzu beat USC that year? If so then they would be Pac 10 champs and play in the Rose Bowl. Iowa and Wazzu wouldve been a lot better matchup too because both got blown out by USC and OU.