AWOL US Soldier seeks asylum in Canada

[Guest Cerebus]

Pathetic.

 

I have nothing but respect for our neighbors to the north, but I don't know how anyone could logically defend giving this worthless coward asylum. If they do, the Candaian government is pissing on the families of soldiers who sucked it up and sacrificed so much and left thier home and families to do their duty.

[Guest CronoT]

Pathetic.

 

I have nothing but respect for our neighbors to the north, but I don't know how anyone could logically defend giving this worthless coward asylum. If they do, the Candaian government is pissing on the families of soldiers who sucked it up and sacrificed so much and left thier home and families to do their duty.

When half of our own country is opposed to the war and occupation in Iraq, how can you be surprised that some of the soldiers, who risk their very lives, are afraid or don't want to go.

 

There was also a group of Maintenence soldiers that refused orders on the gorunds that it was hazardous. They claimed that their vehicles weren't armored enough to go through the region they were being sent to. In essence, they were saying that following that order would be like putting a target on their backs and "ringing the dinner bell."

[cbacon 0]

Good for him.

 

Traditionally, if you have an obligation to serve your country, you do so without question. That shouldn't be a reason to sacrifice your personal values and ethics however. It's no wonder why many more soldiers are realizing that this war is unjustifiable since there's no noble cause for it. Backdoor drafts are already occuring, and the threats of a legitimate draft may arise, given the current manpower issues.

 

There's only one person that "pissed on the families of soldiers" i'm afraid, and it isn't this soldier.

[Guest Cerebus]

Pathetic.

 

I have nothing but respect for our neighbors to the north, but I don't know how anyone could logically defend giving this worthless coward asylum. If they do, the Candaian government is pissing on the families of soldiers who sucked it up and sacrificed so much and left thier home and families to do their duty.

When half of our own country is opposed to the war and occupation in Iraq, how can you be surprised that some of the soldiers, who risk their very lives, are afraid or don't want to go.

 

There was also a group of Maintenence soldiers that refused orders on the gorunds that it was hazardous. They claimed that their vehicles weren't armored enough to go through the region they were being sent to. In essence, they were saying that following that order would be like putting a target on their backs and "ringing the dinner bell."

It doesn't matter. You are a member of the military . Your job is to do what they tell you to do, to do your duty. That's what you sign up for, that's what your comrades do, and that is what more than 200 years of tradition, pride, and your duty TELL you to do.

 

You don't want to go? Boo-fucking-hoo. I doubt many of our uniformed men and woman were thrilled about leaving their families either, but they did, and are doing, their duty. If you don't have the (figurative) balls to do that, you're lower than a worm in my eyes. You deserve as much time in the brig as they can give you.

 

And don't talk to me about those idiots in the maintance company. Another group of non-pussies did the job without problem. Too bad these guys weren't under Patton's command. He would have slapped some sense into the whiny bitches.

 

In fact, I'll let him speak for me:

 

Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren't combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable."

 

What a way we've come huh? I still can't believe the pricks only recieved Article 15s either.

[Guest Cerebus]

Good for him.

 

Traditionally, if you have an obligation to serve your country, you do so without question. That shouldn't be a reason to sacrifice your personal values and ethics however. It's no wonder why many more soldiers are realizing that this war is unjustifiable since there's no noble cause for it. Backdoor drafts are already occuring, and the threats of a legitimate draft may arise, given the current manpower issues.

 

There's only one person that "pissed on the families of soldiers" i'm afraid, and it isn't this soldier.

This guy has no ethics. He has no sense of duty, he has no honor, he has nothing besides concern over his own worthless hide.

 

And don't talk about backdoor drafts since, as established before, you know exactly shit.

[cbacon 0]

Old Soldiers Back On Duty

 

(CBS) This past week, the Pentagon announced it’s boosting the levels of U.S. troops in Iraq to its highest point ever – 150,000.

 

It’s sending in paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne, extending the tours of Marines, and it has started drawing from a pool of semi-retired soldiers called the Individual Ready Reserve.

 

It's a sign that the Army needs able, and not so able, bodies very quickly. And many of the men and women being mobilized from the Ready Reserve – approximately 5,000 this year – are not very happy about it.

 

In fact, a third of these soldiers who’ve been called up haven’t shown up. But if old soldiers never die, as the saying goes, the Army isn’t letting them fade away. Correspondent Bob Simon reports.

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Many of those soldiers who have answered the call have come to Fort Jackson, S.C., for training. It's a place none of them really expected to be. In fact, very few expected to be mobilized at all.

 

"I automatically started crying for about two hours. I couldn't stop, because I knew I was gonna have to leave my babies," says Spc. Carey Trevino, who was called up in August.

 

She's 31, and has three kids – the youngest a 7-month-old baby boy. She'll be leaving her children behind when she goes to Iraq, for another year-and-a-half.

 

"I need to serve my country and the call has come out, so I am doing that," says Chief Warrant Officer Margaret Murray, who did her active duty back in the '60s.

 

She's 55, and 4 feet, 8 inches tall. Her M-16 is almost as big as she is, but that didn't stop her from qualifying as a marksman this week.

 

Does she find it unusual that the Army is now calling up a female soldier in her 50s, who has been in the reserves for 40 years?

 

"No. Although I think what they need to look at is our ability to perform in a tactical environment," says Murray. "For myself, I am going to find that a difficult thing to do physically."

 

Especially if Murray winds up in a place like Fallujah. Does she find that daunting? "Scary," says Murray. "[but] I need to do my job. … I did not retire. And so, now the Army's calling me back to service. And I'm here to do that."

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There are 110,000 men and women in the Ready Reserve right now. They generally don’t train or get paid or belong to units, but they can be called up in case of war or national emergency.

 

This already happened during the first Gulf War, when 20,000 Ready Reservists were mobilized for 120 days. But this time around, they’ll be there for up to two years.

 

Pvt. George Sayegh is keeping his obligation as best he can. He may not look tough, but he is very tough on the guys who are not reporting for duty. "When you abandon your country in time of warfare, I feel that, knowing what your obligation is, I believe that it is an act of cowardice," he says.

 

But you'd be hard-pressed to call one woman 60 Minutes talked to a coward – even though she is resisting the call to return for duty. "Mary," as we're calling her, is a senior special agent with a federal law enforcement agency. She does undercover work in the war on drugs – which is why she appeared in disguise.

 

"You come up against a lot of big-time criminals. And they're prepared to kill and to shoot to get out of certain situations," says Mary, of her work in the war on drugs.

 

Is she reluctant to return to the Army because she is afraid of danger? "No, my reluctance is because what's right," says Mary. "I thought my time was up. And they're telling me that it's not."

 

Like many Army officers, Mary signed up for eight years -- four years active duty, and four years in the Ready Reserves. She received her discharge certificate in 1998, but she was called up this past June to serve as a transportation officer.

 

"I called the Delay and Exemption Board. And the young lady that I talked to said that date [on my contract] meant nothing. That my new date is 2018," says Mary.

 

"I was in shock. I was like, 'What do you mean? I have a piece of paper that tells me that that's my obligation.' And for them to just send me orders and disrupt my life and pull me back, it's disheartening and I feel betrayed, I guess you could say. … The military is betraying me, because I served my time."

 

What Mary didn’t realize is that, as an officer, she remained in the Ready Reserve -- even after her eight years were through -- because she hadn’t resigned her commission as an officer.

 

But she’s not alone. Many officers say they were never made aware of that -- that no mention is made of it in the enlistment agreements they signed. The Army, which declined a request by 60 Minutes for an interview, counters that the requirement is referred to in the agreements – if ever so obliquely.

 

"It's a six-digit reference to an Army regulation, that that's put in a remark section in these agreements," says Mark Waple, a lawyer who specializes in defending soldiers. "It borders on being a deceptive recruiting practice. I’m not suggesting it was intended that way."

 

Waple is a graduate of West Point and was once a judge advocate general in the military himself.

 

Nevertheless, he calls what the Army’s doing now "a backdoor draft." And since June, he’s been getting dozens of calls from officers around the country who are convinced the Army has no right to call them up.

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Todd Parrish was the first to call. He served his four years of active duty in the 1990s as an artillery officer.

 

Unlike many Ready Reserve soldiers, who say they never knew they had to resign their commissions, Parrish knew, and did.

 

He believed that legally he was out of the military forever. But last July, Parrish and his wife, Collette, were shocked when he received one of those letters from the Army.

 

But when he called Army Personnel to tell them a mistake had been made, they seemed to know very little about him. In fact, they told him that he had never done his active duty.

 

"I said, 'Well, I served active duty. I have the records.' And then I said, 'Do you have my DD-214?,'" says Parrish.

 

"The DD-214 is the one that says honorable discharge on it. It's a record of everything you've done. And they said, 'No. We do not have that on file. But we can request it.' And I said, 'Request it? You're the Human Resources Command. Shouldn't you already have that before you call somebody to active duty?' They told me, 'Oh, you'll have to report, and we'll work it out from there.'"

 

Parrish, a veteran, knew that once he reported, he would have "given up all your rights." "Once you show up, you're gonna go to Iraq," says Parrish. "No matter how right you may be."

 

But should all bets be off now that the country is in a state of emergency?

 

"I think if they're saying that, then what they're saying is there needs to be a draft. It's over and over it's told, 'We're an all-volunteer Army. We're an all volunteer armed forces,'" says Parrish's wife, Collette.

 

"And if it's going to be all volunteer, it needs to be the people that have actually volunteered and want to be there - not the people who served and wanted to go on and be civilians."

 

Parrish is challenging his orders in federal court, where the Army is now arguing that his resignation should never have been accepted in the first place - that it was a clerical error.

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Rick Howell also thought a mistake had been made when he received his notification last August. He’s 47 and disabled from an accident he suffered in the military.

 

can’t run anymore. If somebody was shooting at me and chasing me I couldn’t run away from them. I can’t, you know, if I lift anything more than 30 or 40 pounds, I literally, the rod in my arm tingles," says Howell.

 

He joined the Army in 1981, and became a helicopter pilot. He flew along the DMZ in Korea. Finally, in 1997, after almost 16 years of active service, he retired.

 

"My goal was to move back and get that life that I never had because for 16 years the Army," says Howell. "I mean, I gave the Army my life. Of course, you know, I wanted a family, you know. I wanted to marry someone and to settle down and to have a home."

 

And so he did. His son was born two months ago. Going back into the Army would be a major inconvenience, to say the least.

 

But Howell says he’s willing to do it if he can serve in the United States, which he put in the form of a prayer on Thanksgiving this year.

 

This past week, the Army rejected Howell’s offer and sent him a letter saying his exemption has been disapproved, and he has to report for duty early next year. But Howell intends to keep fighting.

 

What is he going to do if he has to go to Iraq?

 

"I don’t have a choice. They’re going to have to come and get me. I mean literally," says Howell. "They’re going to have to come get me. And at that point in time, if they come get me, I don’t have a choice. They’ll have to drag me away and make me go."

 

Old Soldiers Back On Duty

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Good for him.

 

Traditionally, if you have an obligation to serve your country, you do so without question. That shouldn't be a reason to sacrifice your personal values and ethics however. It's no wonder why many more soldiers are realizing that this war is unjustifiable since there's no noble cause for it. Backdoor drafts are already occuring, and the threats of a legitimate draft may arise, given the current manpower issues.

 

There's only one person that "pissed on the families of soldiers" i'm afraid, and it isn't this soldier.

Yeah good for him for being a total douchebag. He has no problem serving the country when it's paying the bills but God forbide he actually do what's expected of him.

 

Canada had better keeps it's nose out of this.

[cbacon 0]

This guy has no ethics. He has no sense of duty, he has no honor, he has nothing besides concern over his own worthless hide.

 

And don't talk about backdoor drafts since, as established before, you know exactly shit.

 

Ok, theoretically, if you were a soldier and were called on to invade a country with the sole purpose of maintaining miltary power and exploiting energy reserves, would you have a moral objection to it? (You don't have to believe that this is happening in Iraq, but imagine it was another third world country in the East) If not, when, if ever would it be acceptable to say no? If the army requested you to bomb a tiny village in South America maybe? Somewhere along the line the definition of ethics becomes distorted. Your country has an obligation to not put their soldiers in harms way for unjustifiable means.

 

And yes, backdoor drafts are occuring (see above article)

[Guest Wildbomb 4:20]

That *AHEM* is NOT a backdoor draft. Sorry. It's called using the Reserves as necessary. Now, there are people on that list who never thought they'd ever see duty. But they are.

 

Yes, there probably should be more stringent guidelines in trying to figure out who is heading off to Iraq. But it's not a backdoor draft. It's using the Reserves the way they are supposed to be: when in need, call 'em up.

 

--Ryan

...hounding on something that's not there just makes you an idiot...

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Good for him.

 

Traditionally, if you have an obligation to serve your country, you do so without question. That shouldn't be a reason to sacrifice your personal values and ethics however. It's no wonder why many more soldiers are realizing that this war is unjustifiable since there's no noble cause for it. Backdoor drafts are already occuring, and the threats of a legitimate draft may arise, given the current manpower issues.

 

There's only one person that "pissed on the families of soldiers" i'm afraid, and it isn't this soldier.

Yeah good for him for being a total douchebag. He has no problem serving the country when it's paying the bills but God forbide he actually do what's expected of him.

 

Canada had better keeps it's nose out of this.

Yeah, ok. I'm sure Canada is really worried what you think.

 

 

If this guy wants to bail out then let him. Better that he not be in a combat situation where he might put someone else at risk. See??? It's BETTER that he NOT be there! I mean how much will it take to convince you that regardless of pride and honor people just want to fucking live their lives. Military people even! That ALOT of people do not support this war.

 

 

Finally, if the Military wants to promote itself using the GI Bill as its number one perk than nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college. Clothes, food, and shelter are requisite. Nobody joins up HOPING they can sent over seas even for a war that makes sense.

 

Mad Dog get a clue.

 

Cerberus... c'mon you are smarter than this.

[Guest Cerebus]

This guy has no ethics. He has no sense of duty, he has no honor, he has nothing besides concern over his own worthless hide.

 

And don't talk about backdoor drafts since, as established before, you know exactly shit.

 

Ok, theoretically, if you were a soldier and were called on to invade a country with the sole purpose of maintaining miltary power and exploiting energy reserves, would you have a moral objection to it? (You don't have to believe that this is happening in Iraq, but imagine it was another third world country in the East) If not, when, if ever would it be acceptable to say no? If the army requested you to bomb a tiny village in South America maybe? Somewhere along the line the definition of ethics becomes distorted. Your country has an obligation to not put their soldiers in harms way for unjustifiable means.

 

And yes, backdoor drafts are occuring (see above article)

 

Hi! My name is strawman! If you read any of C-Bacon's posts, you'll be familar with me but in case you aren't, I am used to attack an opponent by shifting the debate to a weaker argument or weak claims that my user's opponent never made!

 

We're not talking about what I would "theoretically" do or the "ethics" of invasion. We're talking about a military man who wussed out and fled with his tail between his legs because he was a worthless coward. As I mentioned before, there are people in the military in Iraq who probably don't agree that we should be there in the first place, although not many despite what that fat ass Moore has to say. They sucked it up and did their duty and I'm proud of them, despite the fact that we would disagree if we met. This pissant, like the little pussy that he is, fled instead of going to Iraq or even going to the brig and taking his punishment like a man. I would have a mordicum of respect if he did the latter, but he didn't. Now he's relying on morons like you to keep his sorry ass from being thrown into the jail he richly deserves.

 

By the way, two more things. All members of the military, unless they are discharged, are required eight years TOTAL as a Military Service Obligation (MSO). You sign up for X amount of time in active or reserve duty and spend the rest in the IRR or RR which means you CAN be called up in the remaining years of your MSO. I have never met ANYONE in the miliatary who doesn't know this, so the morons in the article you posted are most likely media whores who want to cover up their own dumb ass mistakes by whining that the government is "betraying" them. And remember they are only calling up people in specific MOSs that they are desperatly short of thanks to eight years of military strangulation by Clinton.

 

Also, I was a Naval officer for two years and would have, most likely, been sent to Iraq by the end of 2003 if I hadn't got into a car accident that crippled my leg.

[Guest Cerebus]

Good for him.

 

Traditionally, if you have an obligation to serve your country, you do so without question. That shouldn't be a reason to sacrifice your personal values and ethics however. It's no wonder why many more soldiers are realizing that this war is unjustifiable since there's no noble cause for it. Backdoor drafts are already occuring, and the threats of a legitimate draft may arise, given the current manpower issues.

 

There's only one person that "pissed on the families of soldiers" i'm afraid, and it isn't this soldier.

Yeah good for him for being a total douchebag. He has no problem serving the country when it's paying the bills but God forbide he actually do what's expected of him.

 

Canada had better keeps it's nose out of this.

Yeah, ok. I'm sure Canada is really worried what you think.

 

 

If this guy wants to bail out then let him. Better that he not be in a combat situation where he might put someone else at risk. See??? It's BETTER that he NOT be there! I mean how much will it take to convince you that regardless of pride and honor people just want to fucking live their lives. Military people even! That ALOT of people do not support this war.

 

 

Finally, if the Military wants to promote itself using the GI Bill as its number one perk than nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college. Clothes, food, and shelter are requisite. Nobody joins up HOPING they can sent over seas even for a war that makes sense.

 

Mad Dog get a clue.

 

Cerberus... c'mon you are smarter than this.

No its not better we put him in a combat situation. It's better we put his ass in jail for going AWOL.

 

And by the way, you're a dumb shit if you think the GI Bill is the only reason that people join the military. I never needed the college money to join the Navy, more than a few people I know actually gave up promising careers to join the military. Hell my brother-in-law turned down a full ride to Boston University to join the Marines and is serving as we speak in Iraq. So anyone here who wants to talk about military familes and how they "should" feel or claim they know what they think should give me and my wife a call, or at the very least have the balls to PM or IM me. If not, just keep your fucking dumb ass mouths shut on the subject.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Good for him.

 

Traditionally, if you have an obligation to serve your country, you do so without question. That shouldn't be a reason to sacrifice your personal values and ethics however. It's no wonder why many more soldiers are realizing that this war is unjustifiable since there's no noble cause for it. Backdoor drafts are already occuring, and the threats of a legitimate draft may arise, given the current manpower issues.

 

There's only one person that "pissed on the families of soldiers" i'm afraid, and it isn't this soldier.

Yeah good for him for being a total douchebag. He has no problem serving the country when it's paying the bills but God forbide he actually do what's expected of him.

 

Canada had better keeps it's nose out of this.

Yeah, ok. I'm sure Canada is really worried what you think.

 

 

If this guy wants to bail out then let him. Better that he not be in a combat situation where he might put someone else at risk. See??? It's BETTER that he NOT be there! I mean how much will it take to convince you that regardless of pride and honor people just want to fucking live their lives. Military people even! That ALOT of people do not support this war.

 

 

Finally, if the Military wants to promote itself using the GI Bill as its number one perk than nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college. Clothes, food, and shelter are requisite. Nobody joins up HOPING they can sent over seas even for a war that makes sense.

 

Mad Dog get a clue.

 

Cerberus... c'mon you are smarter than this.

No its not better we put him in a combat situation. It's better we put his ass in jail for going AWOL.

 

And by the way, you're a dumb shit if you think the GI Bill is the only reason that people join the military. I never needed the college money to join the Navy, more than a few people I know actually gave up promising careers to join the military. Hell my brother-in-law turned down a full ride to Boston University to join the Marines and is serving as we speak in Iraq. So anyone here who wants to talk about military familes and how they "should" feel or claim they know what they think should give me and my wife a call, or at the very least have the balls to PM or IM me. If not, just keep your fucking dumb ass mouths shut on the subject.

What makes you the spokeman for for everyone that joins up?

[Guest Cerebus]

I was?

 

Finally, if the Military wants to promote itself using the GI Bill as its number one perk than nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college. Clothes, food, and shelter are requisite. Nobody joins up HOPING they can sent over seas even for a war that makes sense.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

"And by the way, you're a dumb shit if you think the GI Bill is the only reason that people join the military."

 

 

 

 

Yes, you were.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I'd take Cerebus word over your's any day of the week. Why don't you go find some long winded article a 12 year old wrote like you always do.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

I'd take Cerebus word over your's any day of the week. Why don't you go find some long winded article a 12 year old wrote like you always do.

This is coming from the guy who was crying for my insight a couple weeks ago.

 

 

 

[Guest Cerebus]

"And by the way, you're a dumb shit if you think the GI Bill is the only reason that people join the military."

 

 

 

 

Yes, you were.

You're the one who claimed it in the first place.

 

nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college.

nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college.

nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college.

nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college.

nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college.

nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college.

nobody should be surprised that the ONLY reason anybody might think of joining is so they can pay for college.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Well then I GUESS we joined up for differing reasons. Fair enough. Too bad you seem a bit... unbalanced about the whole thing. Should I repeat it a bunch of times so you can read it?

 

 

Would you prefere I argue that YOU indeed did it too. Nah, that'd be something Mad Dog would do.

[Guest Cerebus]

Well then I GUESS we joined up for differing reasons. Fair enough. Too bad you seem a bit... unbalanced about the whole thing. Should I repeat it a bunch of times so you can read it?

 

 

Would you prefere I argue that YOU indeed did it too. Nah, that'd be something Mad Dog would do.

Unbalanced? No. I just figured when I posted your quote once you were too damn thickheaded to read it, so I figured doing it multiple times would, get you to ACKNOWLEDGE that you did indeed claim that everyone in the military joins for "the college money dood." Which is a pretty stupid claim.

 

P.S. If you want to talk more about military service, PM or IM me. It's better than duking it out here since it is off topic.

[CanadianChris 0]

Getting back to the topic at hand...he'll get sent back, as he should. Lax as our immigration policies may be, no American would EVER have a refugee claim accepted here.

[NoCalMike 0]

Anyone see the story about some soldiers trying to sue the government for extended stays?

[Justice 0]

Anyone see the story about some soldiers trying to sue the government for extended stays?

They weren't actually suing the government, they were turning in requests to the higher-ups for extended stays due to things like being only parents and such. Nothing really out of the ordinary since it was done through completely official channels.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Did Mad Dog actually just threaten Canada over the internet?

 

Seriously.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Well then I GUESS we joined up for differing reasons. Fair enough. Too bad you seem a bit... unbalanced about the whole thing. Should I repeat it a bunch of times so you can read it?

 

 

Would you prefere I argue that YOU indeed did it too. Nah, that'd be something Mad Dog would do.

Unbalanced? No. I just figured when I posted your quote once you were too damn thickheaded to read it, so I figured doing it multiple times would, get you to ACKNOWLEDGE that you did indeed claim that everyone in the military joins for "the college money dood." Which is a pretty stupid claim.

 

P.S. If you want to talk more about military service, PM or IM me. It's better than duking it out here since it is off topic.

Never met a person who DID join for honor, country, service, and all that happy horseshit. Sorry. But its true. Yeah, I said what I said. Hell, its a big world. But seriously, you didn't need to tweak out... dood.

 

 

PM you? For what? So some Navy guy can bash my time being in the Army? No thanks, I get enough of that from my marine friends.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Did Mad Dog actually just threaten Canada over the internet?

 

Seriously.

Probably. Guy's a dipshit

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Hi! My name is strawman!

 

Ha. Too bad you didn't make a "If I only had a brain" remark to go with it.

 

Never met a person who DID join for honor, country, service, and all that happy horseshit. Sorry. But its true.

 

Well that just lets us all know what kind of people you associate yourselves with. "I don't know how Bush got elected -- everybody I knew voted against him."

 

Also, I was a Naval officer for two years and would have, most likely, been sent to Iraq by the end of 2003 if I hadn't got into a car accident that crippled my leg.

 

You know most people just shoot themselves in the foot.

 

I wonder if that traitor is going to give back to Uncle Sam the money he received for school, etc. And I'm talking about the AWOL soldier, not Cheesala...

[Slayer 0]

Did Mad Dog actually just threaten Canada over the internet?

Canada is on red alert as we speak

[Guest BDC]

Never met a person who DID join for honor, country, service, and all that happy horseshit. Sorry. But its true. Yeah, I said what I said. Hell, its a big world. But seriously, you didn't need to tweak out... dood.

Wow, I'm sure a buddy of mine would love to hear that. Him and fifteen other buddies. But then, with your vast, far-reaching experience, they can't possibly exist, can they?

 

Oh, and by the by, if you joined the military for free college, I still don't wanna hear a damn thing if you're told to do what you signed up for. The military isn't the boy scouts and you aren't getting any free rides.

 

Traditionally, if you have an obligation to serve your country, you do so without question. That shouldn't be a reason to sacrifice your personal values and ethics however. It's no wonder why many more soldiers are realizing that this war is unjustifiable since there's no noble cause for it.

 

Freeing the Iraqi people from a genocidal maniac? No? Damn.

 

Moving in protection of our country? No? Damn.

 

What? Is it just in THIS war that they're allowed to break the law and quit after signing on? Or is that just, by your standards, allowed for Americans? You were, believe it or not, right for a part of that statement: you are under obligatoin to serve your country without question. Period. Nothing beyond that. You signed on, you do the work. If you signed on for the Reserves? Guess what? That's PART of the military. You don't get a 'get out of jail' card.

 

I'm consistantly at a loss why people that aren't from a America care so damned much. Or are you as ignorant as INXS who says that we're more likely to bomb Europe than Iran is?

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Well then I GUESS we joined up for differing reasons. Fair enough. Too bad you seem a bit... unbalanced about the whole thing. Should I repeat it a bunch of times so you can read it?

 

 

Would you prefere I argue that YOU indeed did it too. Nah, that'd be something Mad Dog would do.

Unbalanced? No. I just figured when I posted your quote once you were too damn thickheaded to read it, so I figured doing it multiple times would, get you to ACKNOWLEDGE that you did indeed claim that everyone in the military joins for "the college money dood." Which is a pretty stupid claim.

 

P.S. If you want to talk more about military service, PM or IM me. It's better than duking it out here since it is off topic.

Never met a person who DID join for honor, country, service, and all that happy horseshit. Sorry. But its true. Yeah, I said what I said. Hell, its a big world. But seriously, you didn't need to tweak out... dood.

 

 

PM you? For what? So some Navy guy can bash my time being in the Army? No thanks, I get enough of that from my marine friends.

Edit: MOS? Unit? TIS? I'm honestly curious, that's why I asked for you to PM me, so its not published everywhere.