The Mole

[Guest BrokenWings]

I just vaguely remember this, as it was before it became a smark, so I've only read the basic occurances as it pertains to the whole ECW / Todd Gordon issue where Todd was actually speaking to ECW wrestlers in an attempt to lure them over to WCW.

 

What brought this on, when was it discovered, what was the reaction from ECW and it's faithful, etc.

 

Any information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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What happened was four guys, Sandman, Sabu, Van Dam and, I think, Fonzie, wanted to leave ECW, all for different reasons. They told Todd about wanting to leave, and he offered to call Terry Taylor, with a view to getting them into WCW as a package deal. He called Taylor, told them what the deal was, and while WCW wanted to negotiate individually, Gordon was intent on keeping it as a package deal. At this team, Perry Saturn was wanting to leave ECW, and, on his own, made his own deal with WCW. This meant a dollar amount had been set in terms of what the four guys could roughly ask for, which weakened their negotiating position. At this point, Gordon ended his involvement, and the four guys ended up staying.

 

The only guys to really take issue with what Todd were the 'New York Clique'; Tazz, Bubba Ray, Tommy Dreamer, etc.

 

When it did come out that Todd was talking to WCW on behalf of the four, Tazz did an interview where he buried Todd, and ran him down for what he did. In response, Sandman did an interview burying Tazz, because he felt Tazz owed Tod something for giving him his break. Tazz apologised to Gordon, saying that Paul E told him to do it, that others would be doing interviews too, but that Tazz wound up being the only guy to do one.

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Gordon now claims this all was a work. If I can find where he said it, I will edit it in here.

 

"Since this seems to be the most asked question, I'll tackle it here, and to the rest of you who wrote in, please accept this as a reply to you as well, rather than me answering the same question 10 different times. First of all, Sandman didn't leave until years later.

 

Second of all, this started when Public Enemy was getting ready to leave. They were going to accept an offer from Vince. Because I appreciated how hard they had worked over the years, and how instrumental they were in helping to build the company, I told them to wait on accepting Vince's offer, and I called Kevin Sullivan, who had worked for me for years to see if he was interested and could get them a better deal financially. He did, and they were very grateful. Teddy, until the day he died was one of my closest friends, and to this day, rarely does 2 weeks pass without me talking to Johnny.

 

I was at the point of getting ready to leave the business in 1997, due to wanting to be with what at the time were my young children, and get off the road. It was actually sheer coincidence that at that same time, I was asked by 2 people if I would make similar calls for them. Unlike most in my position, instead of resenting someone wanting to leave the company, I was thrilled to see them get an opportunity to go from making 300-500 per show, to getting 6 figure salaries. Paul and I disagreed totally on this issue. Therefore I didn't tell him I made the call, because if they did not get offers, they would have had tremendous heat in the dressing room. When I told him, he decided to use it as a rallying cry for the dressing room, as if to say.... we almost got put out of business as half the locker room and Tod were all going to jump ship. I did no interviews purposely so this ploy would work. We also decided that if I were to change my mind and come back, it would make an amazing heel angle as everyone pretty much believed the story.

 

Obviously, those closest to me (Sandman, Fonzie) were the only ones who knew the real story but kept quiet at my request. We never did end up doing the angle, but the story had already become almost folklore in the business. Anyone foolish enough to believe that I would want to see " my baby" die obviously didn't have a clue as to what I'm about.

 

As a humorous aside, since the locker room as a whole never heard from me, a majority of the boys believed the story to be true. One in particular, that gave Paul and I many laughs behind his back, was Shane Douglas, who assuming Paul and I didn't talk any longer, told him that he was part of that group, and WCW had offered him something like $300,000.00.

 

Paul never let him know he caught him trying to work him, but it did make for some fun conversations between the two of us, as others also tried to figure out ways to use the situation to their advantage. Tazz, for one spoke out against me publicly, so Sandman felt a need to smarten him up. He did. Tazz called me and apologized, and we've remained friends ever since."

 

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[MillenniumMan831 0]

^^^ Great stuff! Thanks.

[geniusMoment 0]

That goes against what Dreamer and Heyman said on the ECW dvd, and it seems kind of strange that all of this occurred and then a few weeks later Tod is gone. That is one hell of a coincidence. Dreamer even said Paul played the messages for Dreamer and Taz to hear. Basically, someone is full of shit, and I am not sure who.