WWE.com relaunches title history section

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Triple H is now officially the first World Heavyweight Champion.

 

You know, I'd like to use this to declare victory for the "Not the WCW Title" side of the argument, but knowing the fed, they'll stick the WCW lineage in there tommorrow...and remove it by Monday.

[SuperJerk 0]

Knowing for certain that the World Heavyweight Championship is not the WCW belt makes me a little sadder that the belt that carries any historical lineage is around the waist of a glorified jobber.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Knowing for certain that the World Heavyweight Championship is not the WCW belt makes me a little sadder that the belt that carries any historical lineage is around the waist of a glorified jobber.

Leave Funaki alone!

 

Hmm, now I have to wonder how they'll do the Women's title history...start with Fabulous Moolah as the first champion, or Wendy Richter as the first champion...

[SuperJerk 0]

Knowing for certain that the World Heavyweight Championship is not the WCW belt makes me a little sadder that the belt that carries any historical lineage is around the waist of a glorified jobber.

Leave Funaki alone!

I meant the only WORLD title that carries any historical lineage is around the waist of a glorified jobber.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Knowing for certain that the World Heavyweight Championship is not the WCW belt makes me a little sadder that the belt that carries any historical lineage is around the waist of a glorified jobber.

Leave Funaki alone!

I meant the only WORLD title that carries any historical lineage is around the waist of a glorified jobber.

OK...in that case...

 

LEAVE JEFF JARRETT ALONE!

[Taker666 0]

In the description of the World Heavyweight Championship. It saids that.."he opened a briefcase and pulled out the old WCW Championship and gave it to Triple H"

 

So the World title is the WCW Championship. but I guess the WWE is starting the linage from Triple H when it offically became a WWE title. Hes the first World heavyweight Champion. but not the first overall title holder of the belt.

[SuperJerk 0]

In the description of the World Heavyweight Championship. It saids that.."he opened a briefcase and pulled out the old WCW Championship and gave it to Triple H"

 

So the World title is the WCW Championship. but I guess the WWE is starting the linage from Triple H when it offically became a WWE title. Hes the first World heavyweight Champion. but not the first overall title holder of the belt.

If that were the case, they'd have included The Rock, since it officially became a WWE title the night after Survivor Series 2001.

[Taker666 0]

In the description of the World Heavyweight Championship. It saids that.."he opened a briefcase and pulled out the old WCW Championship and gave it to Triple H"

 

So the World title is the WCW Championship. but I guess the WWE is starting the linage from Triple H when it offically became a WWE title. Hes the first World heavyweight Champion. but not the first overall title holder of the belt.

If that were the case, they'd have included The Rock, since it officially became a WWE title the night after Survivor Series 2001.

Yeah, but the World titl.....God DAMN! Can you please get a different sig soon. ugh!

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

"So with that, he opened a briefcase and pulled out the old WCW Championship and gave it to Triple H, naming him the first World Heavyweight Champion. Since that time, greats such as Shawn Michaels and Chris Benoit have staked claim to the prestigious championship."

 

To me, that statement says it has the entire lineage (not withstanding their hyperbole over calling things prestigious) but putting it all up would take too much time and effort, so they just started it from 2002. It is a confusing history, after all.

[BHK 0]

Triple H is half the entries in the history for the belt. That's just wrong.

[Slickster 0]

Even when trying to be unambiguous about the WHC's history, they succeed in doing just the opposite.

[SuperJerk 0]

"So with that, he opened a briefcase and pulled out the old WCW Championship and gave it to Triple H, naming him the first World Heavyweight Champion. Since that time, greats such as Shawn Michaels and Chris Benoit have staked claim to the prestigious championship."

 

To me, that statement says it has the entire lineage (not withstanding their hyperbole over calling things prestigious) but putting it all up would take too much time and effort, so they just started it from 2002. It is a confusing history, after all.

Done.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

That statement is quite clear. Bischoff gave HHH the old WCW Championship Belt, and named HHH the first World Heavyweight Champion. Therefore, the lineage is not in the belt. It is only the same physical belt.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

That whole arguement that the RAW HVYWT title has the same lineage as the old WCW title never made any sense to me.

 

Brock's belt had the lineage of both titles, he was never booked in a match to defend either part of the title, he just signed an exclusive deal with SD. RAW would have no right to strip Brock of the WCW part of the Undisputed title anymore than they would to strip him of the WWF part of the title.

 

However, by creating a new Heavyweight title, it was logical for RAW to claim that Brock was no longer the "Undisputed" champion, because there was a second champion in the industry on the same level. Therefore Brock was no longer the Undisputed champion.

 

However, that doesn't mean RAW gets to lay claim to the WCW title lineage. And the WWE pretty much cleared that part of it up on their site.

 

If the RAW title carries the WCW title lineage, then that would mean the SD tag titles would have to carry the WCW or old WWF title lineage, but it obviously doesn't.

 

I really dont see how anyone can argue with that (in a logical manner anyway).

[Lil' Bitch 0]

That statement is quite clear. Bischoff gave HHH the old WCW Championship Belt, and named HHH the first World Heavyweight Champion. Therefore, the lineage is not in the belt. It is only the same physical belt.

 

Where does this leave the US title then?

 

In the description of the World Heavyweight Championship. It saids that.."he opened a briefcase and pulled out the old WCW Championship and gave it to Triple H"

 

So the World title is the WCW Championship. but I guess the WWE is starting the linage from Triple H when it offically became a WWE title. Hes the first World heavyweight Champion. but not the first overall title holder of the belt.

 

 

If that were the case, they'd have included The Rock, since it officially became a WWE title the night after Survivor Series 2001.

 

The Rock and Chris Jericho's world title wins are recognized in the RVD / HHH Unforgiven build-up video.

 

 

"You know what, Triple H, you and I definitely are on the same page, man I agree with you a hundred percent. And, that's what I've always said about you, you know what I mean - you say what's on your mind - I mean, that's what I said when I first got here, if I would have been able to sign you to Nitro way back when, hell, I would - I KNOW we would have won the Monday night wars. No doubt in my mind. I mean, you kick ass - man, you- you- you- you just take control of the situation, you've been kickin' ass here in WWE longer than...than almost anybody! Your accolades here in the WWE are, are unbelievable, but you know what? They're about to become even bigger." Bischoff goes for his briefcase, and opens it to reveal...the Big Gold Belt. "Triple H - you may recognise this world championship, because you were the last man to officially wear it. It's been worn by some of the greatest champions in the history of this industry - and now, Triple H, it will be again - because ladies and gentlemen, your NEW WORLD CHAMPION...TRIPLLLLLLLLLLLLLE H!" - Eric Bischoff, September 2nd, 2002

 

If that doesn't recognize the belt's lineage than I don't know what does.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Does anyone remember why they created the WWE US Title in the first place ?

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

Does anyone remember why they created the WWE US Title in the first place ?

I dont remember what they said in terms of storylines, but obviously it was an answer to RAW bringing back the IC title.

[Taker666 0]

Does anyone remember why they created the WWE US Title in the first place ?

Well, sence Raw was bringing back the Intercontinental Title, It would of made sence for SmackDown! to bring back the United States Title to even things out.

 

The Storyline was that Stephanie said that she was bringing back the US title, and there would be a Tournment for it.

[SuperJerk 0]

That statement is quite clear. Bischoff gave HHH the old WCW Championship Belt, and named HHH the first World Heavyweight Champion. Therefore, the lineage is not in the belt. It is only the same physical belt.

 

Where does this leave the US title then?

 

In the description of the World Heavyweight Championship. It saids that.."he opened a briefcase and pulled out the old WCW Championship and gave it to Triple H"

 

So the World title is the WCW Championship. but I guess the WWE is starting the linage from Triple H when it offically became a WWE title. Hes the first World heavyweight Champion. but not the first overall title holder of the belt.

 

 

If that were the case, they'd have included The Rock, since it officially became a WWE title the night after Survivor Series 2001.

 

The Rock and Chris Jericho's world title wins are recognized in the RVD / HHH Unforgiven build-up video.

 

 

"You know what, Triple H, you and I definitely are on the same page, man I agree with you a hundred percent. And, that's what I've always said about you, you know what I mean - you say what's on your mind - I mean, that's what I said when I first got here, if I would have been able to sign you to Nitro way back when, hell, I would - I KNOW we would have won the Monday night wars. No doubt in my mind. I mean, you kick ass - man, you- you- you- you just take control of the situation, you've been kickin' ass here in WWE longer than...than almost anybody! Your accolades here in the WWE are, are unbelievable, but you know what? They're about to become even bigger." Bischoff goes for his briefcase, and opens it to reveal...the Big Gold Belt. "Triple H - you may recognise this world championship, because you were the last man to officially wear it. It's been worn by some of the greatest champions in the history of this industry - and now, Triple H, it will be again - because ladies and gentlemen, your NEW WORLD CHAMPION...TRIPLLLLLLLLLLLLLE H!" - Eric Bischoff, September 2nd, 2002

 

If that doesn't recognize the belt's lineage than I don't know what does.

I agree with your reasoning 100%, but the WWE gets the final say, and according to them, its a new belt.

 

If the RAW title carries the WCW title lineage, then that would mean the SD tag titles would have to carry the WCW or old WWF title lineage, but it obviously doesn't.

Huh? The reason people thought the World Heavyweight Championship was the WCW belt was because the WWE said it was the first month it was brought back (that night Bischoff brought it back, at Unforgiven 2002, and on a Confidential feature). No claim was ever made about the Smackdown WWE Tag Titles, which were always said to be "brand new" and "first ever".

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I agree with your reasoning 100%, but the WWE gets the final say, and according to them, its a new belt.

 

It doesn't make any sense though. When they decided to get rid of the IC title and unified it with the World Heavyweight Title, they brought it back 7 months later no problem. The same belt with the same lineage, they picked right back up where they left off after it was un-unified with the WHT. I don't see the WHT being any different in the same situation (being unified then brought back).

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Where does this leave the US title then?

 

Eddy is the first US Champion. The old US Title is in the IC Title.

 

If that doesn't recognize the belt's lineage than I don't know what does.

 

And during the World Title feud headed into Wrestlemania XIX, Booker T said that he had never had that title.

 

It doesn't make any sense though. When they decided to get rid of the IC title and unified it with the World Heavyweight Title, they brought it back 7 months later no problem. The same belt with the same lineage, they picked right back up where they left off after it was un-unified with the WHT. I don't see the WHT being any different in the same situation (being unified then brought back).

 

Because Austin took it back from the World Heavyweight Title. Bischoff couldn't because he had no authority over a belt on Smackdown.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Man title unifications mess things up...

 

The World Title, which for arguments sake we'll say starts in September 2002, unified with the IC title, which itself was unified with the US, European, and Hardcore titles. Then the IC title becomes unmerged with the World title, but should in theory still posess the powers of the other belts... unless they are in the World title... which has no lineage of them... and there is now a US title too... oy vey.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Just amazes me how they can split the belts, but not the lineage. I mean come on, its the same freaking belt! Nobody is going to forget what was associated with it except for a few selective awful champions.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Man title unifications mess things up...

 

The World Title, which for arguments sake we'll say starts in September 2002, unified with the IC title, which itself was unified with the US, European, and Hardcore titles. Then the IC title becomes unmerged with the World title, but should in theory still posess the powers of the other belts... unless they are in the World title... which has no lineage of them... and there is now a US title too... oy vey.

Yeah. It gets confusing. My guess is that the US, Euro, etc. are still with the IC Title because they were merged first, and then merged into the World Title afterwards.

[SuperJerk 0]

Obviously, we give this more thought than they do.

[Guest Teckneek]

That whole arguement that the RAW HVYWT title has the same lineage as the old WCW title never made any sense to me.

 

Brock's belt had the lineage of both titles, he was never booked in a match to defend either part of the title, he just signed an exclusive deal with SD. RAW would have no right to strip Brock of the WCW part of the Undisputed title anymore than they would to strip him of the WWF part of the title.

 

However, by creating a new Heavyweight title, it was logical for RAW to claim that Brock was no longer the "Undisputed" champion, because there was a second champion in the industry on the same level. Therefore Brock was no longer the Undisputed champion.

 

However, that doesn't mean RAW gets to lay claim to the WCW title lineage. And the WWE pretty much cleared that part of it up on their site.

 

If the RAW title carries the WCW title lineage, then that would mean the SD tag titles would have to carry the WCW or old WWF title lineage, but it obviously doesn't.

 

I really dont see how anyone can argue with that (in a logical manner anyway).

I don't care what WWE.com says, the WWE title is the WWF title and the World Heavyweight title is the WCW title. WWE even did a confidential peice on the World Heavyweight title showing it being based on the WCW history. Same with the United States title, go look at the advertisement for the PPV that had the finals of the United States title tournament, it has a picture of past WCW US champions with the old WCW US belt behind the new WWE US belt. WWE without offically announcing it, seperated both WCW and WWF's titles and split them evenly on both brands. Just because one belt was absorbed into another, doesnt mean it holds that history anymore when the title that was abolished was broght back. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE POST THE PPV ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE FINALS OF THE UNITED STATES TITLE TOURNAMENT WITH STING, SLAUGHTER, ETC. IN THE BACKGROUND WITH THE OLD WCW BELT AND THE CURRENT WWE US BELT IN FRON WITH THE CURRENT COMPETITORS?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

[Guest Teckneek]

There's your proof folks, WWE US title based on WCW history. So if that title was absorbed into the IC title, then how could it be based on the WCW history? Exactly, it was reseperated just like the World Heavyweight Title was.

 

World Heavyweight title=WCW title

WWE US title=WCW US title

 

THANKS FOR POSTING THAT PIC FOR ME, DEON!

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I won't argue Teckneek.

 

I'll just say that Guerrero and Benoit's pictures for that poster look...sadly bad.

 

Guerrero looks like he caught a wiff of something bad (then again, his picture IS behind Gunn's)...and Benoit looks like he's trying to get a poster for a sitcom.

[TheFranchise 0]

When was Slaughter US Champ?

 

Or was he just put on there because... Er, yeah?