cawthon777 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2004 It's not like Vince was lying It definitely was crap, with 1 good year mixed in 5 or 6 bad ones. For every 1996 there's a 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, and 1995. From October 99-on the company was the worst thing ever (burns tapes I bought recently). The WCW roster for the invasion was crap too. That's arguable. Yes, there were bad parts to all those years but the WWF wasn't without faults either. 1990 through 96 were not overly successful years for either company. The Ultimate Warrior bombed as champion, WrestleMania VII was moved to a much smaller arena and, after the departure of Hulkamania, the WWF really didn't recover until 97. WCW may not have had the production value or the leadership of the WWF but they had the talent. And although you may have a moron working the booking office, you can still have great matches with Steamboat, Rude, the Steiners, Sting, Windham, Flair, Regal, Cactus, Austin, Rhodes, Benoit, Eddie, Eaton, Anderson, Liger, Pillman, etc. It basically boils down to which do you prefer, Firebreaker Chip or Bastion Booger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Bastion Booger... at least the guy had good matches as Makhan Singh in Stampede. But you make a good point, although WWF never lost the amount of money WCW did. The only years I would consider to be horrible for the WWF were 1995-96 when house show attenance was shit and they had very little star power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Keep in mind they COULDN'T sign most of those guys from WCW. They had ludicrous contracts that had to be paid to them while they sat on their asses at home. DDP took a PAY CUT from that (because no matter what can be said about DDP, he LOVED wrestling) and the WWE treated him like dog shit. I will always be pissed about that, and I'm not a huge DDP fan or anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 17, 2004 What exactly was wrong with DDP that made The Undertaker such a bitch? "He didn't work WWE style?" "He was sloppy in the ring?" Or the trustworthy "He's taking my spot but isn't over with the crowd" excuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook Report post Posted December 17, 2004 He was a "WCW" guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2004 What exactly was wrong with DDP that made The Undertaker such a bitch? "He didn't work WWE style?" "He was sloppy in the ring?" Or the trustworthy "He's taking my spot but isn't over with the crowd" excuse. He didn't work 'main event style'. It was the same excuse given to bury anyone coming in that certain people didn't want to let get over. If someone wrestled in something other than the 'main event style', it was an excuse for people to claim they couldn't work, and so that person would get buried. It's the typical insular mentality, where anything that isn't done their way is automatically wrong, regardless of whether it actually is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scroby 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2004 QUOTE (LooneyTune @ Dec 17 2004, 05:44 PM) What exactly was wrong with DDP that made The Undertaker such a bitch? "He didn't work WWE style?" "He was sloppy in the ring?" Or the trustworthy "He's taking my spot but isn't over with the crowd" excuse. He didn't work 'main event style'. It was the same excuse given to bury anyone coming in that certain people didn't want to let get over. If someone wrestled in something other than the 'main event style', it was an excuse for people to claim they couldn't work, and so that person would get buried. It's the typical insular mentality, where anything that isn't done their way is automatically wrong, regardless of whether it actually is. Anyone who was a top person in WCW was buried by the WWE when they first came onto the scene. Booker T and DDP could have been booked as the heads of the WCW team but instead DDP got booked into that horrible angle with Undertaker were you really didn't know that DDP was even in the allanice angle unless the annoucers reminded you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2004 What exactly was wrong with DDP that made The Undertaker such a bitch? "He didn't work WWE style?" "He was sloppy in the ring?" Or the trustworthy "He's taking my spot but isn't over with the crowd" excuse. He didn't work 'main event style'. It was the same excuse given to bury anyone coming in that certain people didn't want to let get over. If someone wrestled in something other than the 'main event style', it was an excuse for people to claim they couldn't work, and so that person would get buried. It's the typical insular mentality, where anything that isn't done their way is automatically wrong, regardless of whether it actually is. It's great to see this guys help the survival of the company by building new stars. I don't see how we can get DVD releases from WWE where they bash WCW for not building new stars when they do exactly the same things. How do they manage to keep a straight face? I suppose, they are just used to lying for a living that it just becomes second nature to them. The mentally of these people is insane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 18, 2004 On RAW, Shelton Benjamin, Randy Orton, and Batista are all being prepped for bigger things. Batista is questionable due to his age, but he's getting over. On Smackdown, you don't have a big selection, but John Cena and possibly Mark Jindrak could be stars. Carlito I see getting over a la The Rock. He's not the greatest wrestler (or close to it), but he's a pretty cool personality and seems naturally charismatic. Recently, we had the forced down our throats push of Brock Lesnar, and JBL has only been a main event for about half this year, and technically is a new face to the Main Events. To me, WWE is pushing and/or prepping for new stars when the old ones are gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2004 DDP, being a top in star in WCW, wasn't even on the Alliance team at SSeries 01. What a bunch of crockshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2004 DDP, being a top in star in WCW, wasn't even on the Alliance team at SSeries 01. What a bunch of crockshit. But Kurt Angle was. Wrap your mind around that one and your head will explode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reign 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2004 What was also funny about the WCW angle was that they were actually building to something because DDP and Bagwell were working as heels against Booker T on the first show. But we lost any chance after that night. And I don't care that most of the top WCW talent wasn't readily available right away bacause reintroducing talent would have been better.Yeah Vince shoulda got at least one more big name guy but he coulda stretched what he had. Imagine the possibilities of WWF vs. WCW vs. ECW. vs the NWO...and we almost had it...hell Heat and Velocity would'v e had big ratings off an angle like that. And it could've lasted for months!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scroby 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2004 What was also funny about the WCW angle was that they were actually building to something because DDP and Bagwell were working as heels against Booker T on the first show. But we lost any chance after that night. And I don't care that most of the top WCW talent wasn't readily available right away bacause reintroducing talent would have been better.Yeah Vince shoulda got at least one more big name guy but he coulda stretched what he had. Imagine the possibilities of WWF vs. WCW vs. ECW. vs the NWO...and we almost had it...hell Heat and Velocity would'v e had big ratings off an angle like that. And it could've lasted for months!!! This got fucked up when Austin and HHH threw Bagwell and Booker T through the back door after their match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 20, 2004 Austin & Angle, not Austin & HHH. HHH was laid up in a hospital bed with his quad muscle torn. Also, Austin, Angle, and Bagwell triple teamed Booker T. After they took care of Booker, Austin & Angle beat the crap out of Bagwell. Booker T, by no stretch of the imagination, should over come a 3-on-1 beating. Even 2-on-1 should favor the 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2004 Austin & Angle, not Austin & HHH. HHH was laid up in a hospital bed with his quad muscle torn. Actually, I wonder what might have happend if Triple H had been involved with the invasion storyline? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 20, 2004 He was scheduled to turn face around the KOTR time, so I'm assuming Austin still would've turned heel and joined the Alliance while HHH would've been in Angles spot. I wonder where they would put Chris Benoit if he was healthy. The WWF team would've been too damn strong with HHH, The Rock, Benoit, Kane, Undertaker, and Jericho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2004 What exactly was wrong with DDP that made The Undertaker such a bitch? "He didn't work WWE style?" "He was sloppy in the ring?" Or the trustworthy "He's taking my spot but isn't over with the crowd" excuse. I think it has more to do then DDP being a "WCW" guy. He was Eric Bischoff's best friend and lived next door to the man for years. And, depending on who you ask, it's because of his friendship with Bischoff is why he got some many chances in WCW and got the world belt. So, it's kind of more of a destory Bischoff's pet project thing. But, that's just me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
