Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 WWE seems hellbent on pushing this idea since they started it 2 months ago. I think its only a matter of time before Edge completes his 6 year journey and becomes a world champion. In a way, WWE could rehash HBK's angle if they wanted to give Edge the title at Wrestlemania, but the fact Edge is a heel (which I have to add that I have liked him a lot better since he made the turn) kinda fucks him over and sours the idea. What do you guys think? And how would you react if Edge became the World Heavyweight Champion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 I have been an advocate of this idea for a couple of months now. Right now he is the most over heel on RAW, and they have a chance to create the next big heel star by putting him over strongly at Wrestlemania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 16, 2004 They tried the superbaby face route with Edge already and it didn't work; he got booed in his hometown. His only hope is that he gets a title run as a heel; which since he's one of vince's favorite pets he's going to get a run sometime in the next few months. Likely will get a summer reign if anything. Is he worth it? His work is shoddy at best and unless he has an Eddy or a Benoit in there; he seems lost. His matches with Orton are so over rated because people remember a hot final 5 minutes and boring 15 first minutes. Horrible seller. He's good on the stick; so that helps loads. He's not the worst choice on the roster and I'd take him over Orton on a insant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Edge had 2 things going for him: He's tall, and has good enough muscular build. He's also not too bad when cutting promos. Those alone make a World Champion it seems in Vince McMahons eyes. I'm no big fan of Edge (in fact, I've never looked forward to his singles matches ever), but right now, they should strike while the irons hot and give him a shot as the Champion. It can't be anyworse than the JBL horror-reign. Thats the problem though with the booking: People who get over like RVD, Edge, to anextent, Kane (when he first unmasked) for example are never pushed to the maximum, lose heat, and flounder for a while. Edge is back to being really over, and hopefully this time won't be over-looked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 There is only really one way for a good payoff, and that's if he faces Benoit at Wrestlemania for the title. It makes a good story since Benoit has always gotten the better of Edge. I never cared for Edge up until now...and they could seriously have something with this guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Benoit/Edge is the ideal match, and since Benoit is in the EC it is perfectly doable. HBK/Edge would also make sense, but would make a mess of the title scene in January. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 I'd love to see him with the World Title (shocking, isn't it?), but I think they're going to hold off. Why? Because it seems when someone gets over like that, WWE seems to think that the person doesn't 'need' the Title. Of course, they'll probably hold off too long and he lose some heat and then they'll feel he'll need the title at that point. When he does win the title, I really want it to be on his first shot (one on one at least) so he can brag that he told everyone all he needed was a fair shot and he'd win it. Of course, he'll win it cheaply, but you catch my drift... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 16, 2004 I'm changing my mind; they HAVE to put the title on him NOW if they are ever going to make him work. The character will die if he doesn't get the title @ NYR. If he gets 3 shots at it and fails to win the title, his character is shot and he's basically another mid card whiner ala Jericho. I agree Edge vs Benoit would be the way to go; since HHH/Batistia can still occur and it'd get more hype anyways and throw Orton/Rock and toss Jericho into a interpromotional match with Eddy. What's going to happen is HHH wins NYR and Batistia turns on him @ Rumble causing a DQ Finish or turns on him post-match during the celebration. HHH drops it to Batista at Mania; Batistia holds it for 2 months and Edge the whiny heel gets a fluke win with mass interference and has a whiner 3 month run with the title going back to Benoit or maybe Jericho and HHH getting it back for the fall program against the next big face (Benjmain would be my pick). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 TSBY, I agree that might happen if they wait too long, and yes, it would be best for Edge to win at NYR. But it's not completely necessary. Yes, he'll have to win soon, but not in the EC necessarly. If they are THAT hesitant (which they shouldn't be if they had the balls to put a former mid card tag team wrestler as champion a month or two after changing gimmicks), they can always hold off until his first one-on-one match for the title, since he hasn't had that yet. But if they don't pull the trigger then, Edge's gimmick is as good as dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Benoit/Edge is the ideal match, and since Benoit is in the EC it is perfectly doable. HBK/Edge would also make sense, but would make a mess of the title scene in January. Not really; Edge can win it at NYR and defend it against Benoit in gimmick match like I QUIT (Which goes with Benoit's claim that he made Edge tap and that'd he'd do again and Edge denies he'd tap again, so Benoit suggests a I QUIT match at rumble). Edge wins cleanly. Shawn waltzes back to raw the next night and then that sets up your Mania program. I'd rather have Edge/Benoit instead, Shawn/Angle is a must. If Edge/Benoit goes down; I'd have Shawn make a Unanounced return the next night and attack Edge and that sets up a a Street Fight/FCA match at Rumble, where Shawn has another bloodbath performence. Edge wins. HBK is seen in the trainer's room get attended to and the tv moniter is clearly on by them. Next segment seuges into Angle confrontinh Edge and says "big whoop. you beat a has been. good for you. excuse me I'm going win the rumble and main event WrestleMania. AGAIN." Shawn obviously saw this and screws Angle in the rumble setting up that program. Benoit/Edge writes itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 It could work...like if Edge gets screwed in the Elimnation Chamber and is the first person elimnated. I just really wanna see Edge/Benoit be the Main Event for Wrestlemania, with Edge going over, and having his boyhood dream fufilled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 I have a feeling that the programs for WM will be Edge/HBK, Orton/??? (for title), and HHH/Batista. They are going to hype the crap out of HBK getting revenge on Edge. What then? Will Edge have to get a quickie title reign? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 16, 2004 I'd dig this Edge/Benoit (world) JBL/Cena (wwe) HHH/Batistia Orton/Rock Jericho/Eddy Shawn/Angle Kane and Taker Vs Snitsky and Heidenreich Benjamin/Tajiri (IC) Haas/Cool (US) RVD and Mysterio/Dudleyz (World Tag) Eugene and Regal Vs Flavor of the month heel pairing (wwe tag) London/Chavo/Kidman/Akio (CW Title) Lita/Trish (Woman's) Battle Royal Throw in an extra hour, if i'm paying 50, I better get 4.5 hours instead of 3.5 It's sad how easy it is to build and create a logical and simply storyline for the big money show of the year in just 5 minutes...and they spend 5 minutes on something they had 5 months to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 16, 2004 WWE should never EVER EVER EVER (3 times was intentional) do 5 hour PPVs again. Last years Wrestlemania was like a chore to watch until the last 3 matches, and when Undertaker showed up dressed like his Biker-self, that sucked the energy out of me for his match too. 11 matches in 4 hours is enough, otherwise we'll have more filler than Wrestlemania V & VI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 16, 2004 It's not filler if the matches mean something. 14 matches in 4.5 hours with NO filler and meaningful wrestling is better then 10 matches with 5 having value and importance or meaning in 3 hours. Besides, one of the tag matches would get heat duty anyways, so it's really 13 matches in 4.5 hours and the Battle Royal would be a 5-8 minute match to sell TBS's dominance so it's really 12 matches in 4.15 hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Edit: Double Post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 16, 2004 This would be my WM Match-List... RAW: 1.) Raw Heavyweight Title: Chris Benoit vs. Edge 2.) Triple H & Ric Flair vs. Randy Orton & Mick Foley 3.) IC Title: Batista vs. Shelton Benjamin 4.) William Regal vs. Eugene (no idea on heel/face) 5.) Tag Titles: Tajiri & Rhyno vs. Christian & Tyson Tomko 6.) Womens Title: Lita vs. Trish Smackdown: 1.) WWE World Title: JBL vs. Eddie Guerrero 2.) US Title: John Cena vs. Carlito Carribean Cool 3.) Tag Titles: Rey & RVD vs. Jindrak & Reigns 4.) CW Title: Kidman vs. London vs. Chavo 5.) Booker T vs. Big Show (eh... again. SD roster is pretty bad) Interpromotional: 1.) Kane & The Undertaker vs. Snitsky & Heidenreich 2.) Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels OK, you're right. 13-14 matches would probably be the best idea, but I doubt it will be pulled off like I would hope it would. A Battle Royale would have to have participants from both rosters since neither show has that deep of a roster to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest QUP2CME Report post Posted December 16, 2004 WWE should never EVER EVER EVER (3 times was intentional) do 5 hour PPVs again. Last years Wrestlemania was like a chore to watch until the last 3 matches, and when Undertaker showed up dressed like his Biker-self, that sucked the energy out of me for his match too. 11 matches in 4 hours is enough, otherwise we'll have more filler than Wrestlemania V & VI Totally agree. I think Vince wanted to include almost everyone on the roster. That's why he went for the two fatal-four way tage team matches and the CW invitational. Apart from: HHH V Benoit V HBK Eddy V Angle Evolution V Rock 'n' Sock Jericho V Christian everything else was a snoozefest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Doesn't anybody think that Edge might get the Title at NYR and go for a Mania program with Orton? They seem to be having great chemistry together, they truly come across as hating each other and could possibly have a very good Mania match where Orton could go over if that's what WWE wants. Honestly, as much as I want it to happen, it seems unlikely Benoit's getting another reign any time soon. As for other possible Mania matches, it really seems like they're going for JBL vs Cena, but that would make my previous scenario doubtful since I doubt WWE would give both faces wins in World/WWE title matches in the same show at Mania, right? As for Shawn vs Angle, I'd give my left nut to see that match happen at Mania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 yeah, I agree with you Poch....as I read through everyone's post, the first thing that sprung to my mind was Orton winning the Elimination Chamber, holding the title until WM where he'll face Edge, the winner of the Rumble...or the other way around...by then HHH and Batista will have their fued set and that will take place at WM...Cena will go against JBL etc. etc. where does that leave guys like Jericho and Benoit, who knows? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Edge & Orton put on some of the most boring matches I've ever seen, and I've witnessed my share of Harley Race matches. If THAT is the Wrestlemania Main Event I'll scream like a woman for 24 hours straight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 His only singles match that I've enjoyed was his SD! cage match vs. Angle.. That was so long ago, that I don't think I'll ever enjoy one of his matches again. But then I rarely watch RAW or SD these days, so who knows? Maybe he has had some good matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Not really; Edge can win it at NYR and defend it against Benoit in gimmick match like I QUIT (Which goes with Benoit's claim that he made Edge tap and that'd he'd do again and Edge denies he'd tap again, so Benoit suggests a I QUIT match at rumble). Edge wins cleanly. Shawn waltzes back to raw the next night and then that sets up your Mania program. Edge winning at Mania would have a lot more impact. I want to put the title on him there, not in the EC. So you would have to have HHH win, and then transfer it to HBK at the Rumble (or on RAW). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 I doubt WWE would give both faces wins in World/WWE title matches in the same show at Mania They did it this year so there's a chance of it happening again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Wrestlemania is where "dreams are made." Why would Edge winning the title before WM and defending it at WM be a better idea than him challenging at WM and winning? As long as its not vs. Orton...BORING! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra Violence 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 What about a battle royal where the floor on two sides of the ring is painted red and the other two sides blue.... All the lowercard could compete and whichever side you were eliminated onto determined the brand you would compete on for the next year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 16, 2004 What if everyone landed on Red? There would be no under-card left for Smackdown, or vice-versa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reign 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Then we could end the Brand Split......Genious!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 I'm all for THAT...though I'd rather they just end it and not waste my time with a lame ass battle royal... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2004 I doubt WWE would give both faces wins in World/WWE title matches in the same show at Mania They did it this year so there's a chance of it happening again. D'oh! I was there and it just slipped my mind. I got confused 'cause Eddie retained while Benoit won it. What I see as unlikely is that both faces would be crowned new champions. What they've been doing is one would retain while the other title changes, at least for these last two Manias. Then again, they could change it up next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
