Edge

[AndrewTS 0]

Brilliant, because pushing HBK's title quest as his "boyhood dream" made him a huge draw and led to record-breaking buyrates, ratings, and attendance.

[Black Lushus 0]

I really don't think the whole "drawing champion" thing is a huge deal for the WWE at the present time...I can't think of the last time a draw actually WAS champion...when were Stone Cold and the Rock last champions?

[AndrewTS 0]

I really don't think the whole "drawing champion" thing is a huge deal for the WWE at the present time...

*Takes a look at who has the SD title*

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!?

[Black Lushus 0]

I mean seriously, I think Vince just says fuck it and gives it to whoever...if it works, great, if not, ah well...I mean they surely see these numbers that suck that we all have access to...if a multi-billionare doesn't give a fuck, i guess we shouldn't either...

[Guest SoZe]

The problem Edge has now, is that his character is obsessed with the world title, and he's a HEEL. Now, remember, there's only one diamond in the rough, and I think you know his initials. Vince and Co. have it in their mind that only H can be a dominate heel on RAW. It sucks too, because even though I was looking forward to Edge's return, he had really been boring me to death as a babyface. Now, I'm finding him very entertaining as a heel. I absolutely LOVED that moment at the beginning of RAW, when Eric was talking to the three of them via the Tron, and Benoit and HHH began arguing amongst themselves over who should be champion. Edge just let them go at it, and looked staright to the camera, and began trying to convince US, the viewer that he deserved the title, not them. It was something different, and I liked that. I like that even though he's now a heel, he feels that he's right.

 

I worry though. It seems obvious to me that they're going the slow-burn route with Edge and Michaels, and will have them wrestle at Mania. That could be a good match. But it's the outcome that I'm dreading. Two years ago, Shawn and Chris Jericho had what I thought was a very strong angle leading up to Mania. Shawn had already made his miracle comeback, had even won the title back at survivor Series. And yet he still went over Jericho, who at this point was BADLY in need of a strong win. But they put Shawn over.

I fear, and at this point, expect them to do the same here.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Brilliant, because pushing HBK's title quest as his "boyhood dream" made him a huge draw and led to record-breaking buyrates, ratings, and attendance.

He would just be a transitional champ, so I don't see the problem. It wouldn't be much different than Benoit/Edge, aside from the extra needless switch in January. The big draw of Wrestlemania should be Cena winning the belt.

[Ultra Violence 0]

What if everyone landed on Red? There would be no under-card left for Smackdown, or vice-versa.

well oviously the battle royal would be kayfabed......

[Guest Loss]

This would be my WM Match-List...

 

RAW:

1.) Raw Heavyweight Title: Chris Benoit vs. Edge

2.) Triple H & Ric Flair vs. Randy Orton & Mick Foley

3.) IC Title: Batista vs. Shelton Benjamin

4.) William Regal vs. Eugene (no idea on heel/face)

5.) Tag Titles: Tajiri & Rhyno vs. Christian & Tyson Tomko

6.) Womens Title: Lita vs. Trish

 

Smackdown:

1.) WWE World Title: JBL vs. Eddie Guerrero

2.) US Title: John Cena vs. Carlito Carribean Cool

3.) Tag Titles: Rey & RVD vs. Jindrak & Reigns

4.) CW Title: Kidman vs. London vs. Chavo

5.) Booker T vs. Big Show (eh... again. SD roster is pretty bad)

 

Interpromotional:

1.) Kane & The Undertaker vs. Snitsky & Heidenreich

2.) Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels

 

OK, you're right. 13-14 matches would probably be the best idea, but I doubt it will be pulled off like I would hope it would.

 

A Battle Royale would have to have participants from both rosters since neither show has that deep of a roster to begin with.

Tomko gets a WM spot and Jericho doesn't?

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

That one was easily the worst FBed Mania yet.

 

The people here make pretty bad ones.

[Guest Loss]

Also, they should have saved Lita's final win for Trish for Mania instead of wasting it on free TV.

[Guest LooneyTune]

I forgot Chris Jericho!? AH!!! At the rate he's going, he's got no feud, so it's hard to place him anywhere. I think mine is the most realistic though. Where Haas/Cool or Shelton/Tajiri comes from as the #2 belt matches on WM is completely out of left field. Shelton vs. Batista and Cena vs. Cool makes sense at least.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

This would be my WM Match-List...

 

RAW:

1.) Raw Heavyweight Title: Chris Benoit vs. Edge

2.) Triple H & Ric Flair vs. Randy Orton & Mick Foley

3.) IC Title: Batista vs. Shelton Benjamin

4.) William Regal vs. Eugene (no idea on heel/face)

5.) Tag Titles: Tajiri & Rhyno vs. Christian & Tyson Tomko

6.) Womens Title: Lita vs. Trish

 

Smackdown:

1.) WWE World Title: JBL vs. Eddie Guerrero

2.) US Title: John Cena vs. Carlito Carribean Cool

3.) Tag Titles: Rey & RVD vs. Jindrak & Reigns

4.) CW Title: Kidman vs. London vs. Chavo

5.) Booker T vs. Big Show (eh... again. SD roster is pretty bad)

 

Interpromotional:

1.) Kane & The Undertaker vs. Snitsky & Heidenreich

2.) Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels

 

Not bad, but I'd rather see RVD Vs. Rey Mysterio, The Rock Vs. Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton Vs. The Undertaker (Interpromotional Match), and John Cena Vs. Eddie Guerrero for the WWE Championship.

[Guest LooneyTune]

I'd rather see John Cena at the unemployment line for having horrible matches and having a stale gimmick, but right now he's still firmly stuck in the midcard, and hot shotting him into the World Title scene wouldn't be that great of a move. Also he's still the US Champ, and he's got nobody to lose it to unless a Jobber or... blech, Kenzo Suzuki, wins it.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Looney: Or, they could do like WrestleMania VI, and have Cena play Warrior to JBL's Hogan.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

If they can give the world title to Randy Orton, Cena could get his shot by all means as he's miles better than Orton IMO. I see Cena dropping the US title at NWO anyway.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Heel Cena I like... but as a face I'd rather have World Champion Rene Dupree. If I'm thinking how the WWE creative team on SD thinks, Cena won't turn heel for another 2 years. Cena vs. JBL or even Cena vs. Eddie won't make me want to buy a PPV. Since it's Wrestlemania though, I'm getting it anyway, so... eh.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Orton / HHH or Cena / JBL. Its more like pick your poison, but I'd rather go with the latter. The first choice didn't impress me at all at Unforgiven.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Pick your poison indeed. Let's see...

 

HHH/Orton: I think Babyface Orton is the dumbest move ever since Greedo shooting first. Triple H can no longer have great matches with mediocre wrestlers like Orton, so I really wouldn't want to see this match again.

 

JBL/Cena: Babyface Cena sucks, and his jokes are more tired than an insomniac on Valium. JBL can cut some good promos, but as a wrestler, he still sucks. Cena can't have a good wrestling match to save his life unless it's a miracle carry job, and JBL's only good matches have been vs. Eddie.

 

If I had to choose, I'd pick Orton/HHH, but either way it's not going to be pretty.

[zyn081 0]

For what its worth, my WWE would be like this:

 

(1) Benoit vs Jericho with HBK as Special Guest Referee for the World Heavyweight Championship

(2) Benjamin vs Kane for the IC title

(3) HHH vs Flair vs Batista vs Orton

(4) Lita vs Trish for Womans Title rematch

(5) Regal & Eugene vs Edge & Christian for Tag Titles

 

(6) JBL vs Cena for WWE title

(7) Carlito vs Haas for US title

(8) UT vs Angle Submissions match

(9) Eddy & RVD (as heels!) vs TBS & Booker T vs Reigns & Jindrak for Tag Titles

(10) Spike vs Kidman vs Chavo vs Rey Rey vs Nunzio vs London for CW Title

[Guest DVD Spree]

Can you guys explain something to me? I haven't watched any WWE for over six months (well, I caught the Puder/Angle thing while I was in a hotel room, but that's about it).

 

Edge used to be totally over with the smark fanbase - TLC and "Five Second Pose"-era Edge & Christian, right through to "worked shoot comment" babyface Edge and then SmackDown Six Edge. Then he came back from injury and all of a sudden everyone's saying how horrible he is, and how he can't work.

 

As I said, I haven't seen any of his stuff since he's come back, so what's the story - has he completely fallen off since the fusion, or is it just the internet being all cool and turning on him?

[Guest LooneyTune]

Edge was never that good. He was the weakest worker in the "SD 6" (carried to great matches by Angle, Benoit, Guerrero isn't that hard to do) and his only plus is his promo skills, which he lacks as a babyface. (Being the asshole heel was what made E&C great, and for bumping around in ladder matches)

[The Mandarin 0]

Mine blows the piss out of all of yours.

 

WWE World Heavyweight Title

Chris Benoit © vs. Batista

 

WWE Undisputed Championship

John Bradshaw Layfield © vs. The Big Show

 

Triple H and Ric Flair vs. The Rock and Mick Foley

 

Hall of Fame Inductees

Hulk Hogan, Ted DiBiase, Ricky Steamboat, Road Warriors, Rick Rude, Terry Funk, Jimmy Hart, Yokozuna, Barry Windham.

 

Interpromotional

Kurt Angle and Edge vs. Shawn Michaels and Eddie Guerrero

 

Interpromotional

Randy Orton vs. John Cena

 

Daniel Puder and Booker T vs. Luther Reigns and Mark Jindrak

 

Interpromotional

The Undertaker and Kane w/ Lita vs. Snitsky and Heidenreich w/ Trish Stratus

 

Interpromotional Ten-Man Tag

RVD, Rey Mysterio, Eugene, Shelton Benjamin and Chris Jericho vs. The Dudleys, Simon Dean and Christian.

 

As the kids say, "boo-yah on your household".

[Guest LooneyTune]

The Big Show wrestles twice? No offense, but that card looks pretty bad from a realistic POV. A Wrestlemania card going 4 hours with 8 matches. Either every match is 30 minutes long (cries at the possibilty of 3 of those), or lots and lots and lots of filler.

 

Yes, the numerous "lots" are intentional.

[The Mandarin 0]

The Big Show wrestles twice? No offense, but that card looks pretty bad from a realistic POV.

..shaddup. I changed it.

 

And if you want to add time, change the tag match to Kurt Angle vs. HBK and Eddie Guerrero vs. Edge, and throw in several dreadful tag matches involving Kenzo, Rene, Rhyno, La Resistance, Paul London, Funaki and other people I don't care about.

[CanadianChick 0]

Edge was never that good. He was the weakest worker in the "SD 6" (carried to great matches by Angle, Benoit, Guerrero isn't that hard to do) and his only plus is his promo skills, which he lacks as a babyface. (Being the asshole heel was what made E&C great, and for bumping around in ladder matches)

I disagree that he was the worst of the 6. Even putting my favoritism aside, Chavo was never given the oppertunity to be better than number six, since all he pretty much was was a afterthough in tag matches. Had he been in any good singles matches, than maybe he could be considered better than 6th. But he hadn't, so he isn't. Personally, with all bias intact, I still don't think he'd be better than sixth with the oppertunity, but hey, that's just my opinion.

 

As I said, I haven't seen any of his stuff since he's come back, so what's the story - has he completely fallen off since the fusion, or is it just the internet being all cool and turning on him?

 

In some cases, the internet is just being cool and turning on him (which I think is slowly happening to Angle too). But to be fair, his run from coming back from neck surgery and turning tweener/heel was not good. He came back from neck surgery as a angry face who was never really given a reason to be angry (he never even went after the mystery person who attacked him!). And he is just awful as a angry face. Maybe it was because he had no motivation, but it just wasn't good. He then had a pointless feud with Kane, and then a tag run (which he was a afterthought to, since he was tagging with the World champ). Then he got into an interesting feud with Jericho, which would have been good, but he got injured. Speaking of injuries, he got a hell of a lot.

 

Now, he's doing fine as a the most interesting (of course, my opinion) heel on Raw. He's got motivation, and he can sure piss the hell out of fans. I think his ringwork is good, but other's disagree, and I'm not going to get in *that* arguement again.

[Guest LooneyTune]

I wouldn't call him a poor wrestler, but I believe he's over-rated, which I could've explained better. His offense has nothing that really stands out, playing a babyface limits him in matches to get heat, and his finishing move sucks. As a heel, he's watchable without groaning with disgust, because as a heel, he can at least cheat and be interesting.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Edge used to be totally over with the smark fanbase - TLC and "Five Second Pose"-era Edge & Christian, right through to "worked shoot comment" babyface Edge and then SmackDown Six Edge. Then he came back from injury and all of a sudden everyone's saying how horrible he is, and how he can't work.

 

As I said, I haven't seen any of his stuff since he's come back, so what's the story - has he completely fallen off since the fusion, or is it just the internet being all cool and turning on him?

 

Another thing I want to to add is Edge was over on SD because his character was a nice blend of being both an entertaining prankster and serious badass when he wanted to be and was doing just fine until he got hurt (I'm very sure he would have moved up into the main event world title scene had it not happened).

 

Problem is once he came back, he became too God damn serious, even worse than Benoit in some cases, and many fans didn't like it that so they got bored of him and booed his ass. Now that's he gone back to being a heel, he's still a serious badass, but you can tell he's going to be his prankster routine because he's been entertaining as of late. He doesn't do the Edgecution (or whatever he calls the Implant DDT) anymore for some reason so that sucks, but he gets cool points for revitalizing his character with a new twist on his personality, the new entrance, and the awesome music plus he has this great title chase angle going for him that I've been really getting into since the beginning of it.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

Mania Card:

 

RAW:

 

HHH vs Batista -- RAW HVWT Title

Orton vs Rock

Benjamin vs Hassan -- IC Title

Mick Foley vs Edge

Eugene/Regal/Jericho vs Christian/La Resistance

Lita vs Trish --Womens Title

 

Interpromotional:

 

Benoit v Eddie

Taker/Kane vs Heidenreich/Snitski

Kurt Angle vs HBK

 

SMACKDOWN:

 

Cena vs JBL -- SD HVWT Title

Big Show vs Brock Lesnar

Rey/RVD vs Bashams vs Dudleys vs Carlito/Jesus -- SD Tag Titles

Paul London vs Kidman -- CW Title Ladder Match

Booker T vs Orlando Jordan -- US Title

[AndrewTS 0]

As I said, I haven't seen any of his stuff since he's come back, so what's the story - has he completely fallen off since the fusion, or is it just the internet being all cool and turning on him?

 

Part of it that, unlike on Smackdown when he was injured, he isn't having great matches with talented workers week-in week-out.

 

Sometimes he's on and delivers, but a lot of times he restholds nearly as bad as X and has somewhat limited and repetitive matches.

 

At least the ones I've seen--I haven't sat down to watch an Edge match in a while myself aside one of the Orton/Edge matches where he was doing just fine.

 

I'm guessing he's probably still got some nagging pain or perhaps is working through some other injury, thus the inconsistency.

 

That being said, his character is almost as boring to me as Orton's, so I'll admit bias against him.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Edge is Mr. Glass Bones. Didn't he have another injury on top of the broken neck before he came back? Then he broke his hand before he even wrestled a match, then he pulled a groin muscle a few months ago and had to be stripped of the IC Title.

 

I think he may be going a little easy on his body considering all the injuries sufered inside of a year.