Randy Johnson Trade to the Yankees

[KingPK 0]

Both rotations have question marks.

 

- Was Wright's '04 season the exception rather than the rule?

- Will Pavano turn out like Vasquez, an NL pitcher that struggles in the AL?

- Will Wells' back hold out?

- Will Schilling's ankle hold him out for too long?

- Is Brown still a basket case?

- Will Wake bounce back from a mediocre '04?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

We know they are both making the playoffs, so the 5th starter is irrelevent. Pavano could very well be a one year wonder, and I don't like Wright at all. Pedro could never beat the Yanks anyways, his loss isn't that big. I will agree to consider the rotation a push, and I prefer Boston's lineup and pen to New York's.

 

This is right now, and assuming the Sox get Clement. If they don't get Clement or the Yanks get someone like Delgado or Beltran, then yes, they would be the favourites.

[KingPK 0]

Though I agree that they shouldn't bring him back, the Sox might miss Derek Lowe a LITTLE bit for his ability to step up in the playoffs (saving Game 5 of the '03 ALDS and winning all three '04 series clinchers), but Wells probably more than makes up for it.

[Guest Posada20]

I don't see how that is posssible, even with Clement.

 

Schilling, Wells, Clement, Arroyo and Wake over RJ, Moose, Pavano, Wright and Brown?

 

No way.

Schilling is just as good as Johnson and much better in the post-season.

Yeah sure remember RJ saving Schilling's ass at all? RJ should have been sole MVP of the 2001 World Series.

[Art Sandusky 0]

This is the best avatar ever.

 

Anyways, isn't what's going on with the Yankees the same thing that happened back in the early-mid 60s, in terms of depleting the farm system and relying on the big names for too long? I know that with free agency and such that it's a vastly different game these days, but to the casual baseball fan (with a bit of history gleaned from various places) it's sort of paralleling that era.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Anyways, isn't what's going on with the Yankees the same thing that happened back in the early-mid 60s, in terms of depleting the farm system and relying on the big names for too long? I know that with free agency and such that it's a vastly different game these days, but to the casual baseball fan (with a bit of history gleaned from various places) it's sort of paralleling that era.

 

It's more of what happened in the mid to late 80s. The 60s decline of the Yankees occured because Mickey Mantle finally lost his ability, and the newly established amateur draft cut off the main weapon the Yankees had in those days, recruting amateurs with big money.

[MikeJordan23 0]

I don't see how that is posssible, even with Clement.

 

Schilling, Wells, Clement, Arroyo and Wake over RJ, Moose, Pavano, Wright and Brown?

 

No way.

Schilling is just as good as Johnson and much better in the post-season.

Yeah sure remember RJ saving Schilling's ass at all? RJ should have been sole MVP of the 2001 World Series.

RJ is 7-8 in the postseason, and he's 5-0 against the Yankees in the post-season too. Which means he's 2-8 against theother teams, with an ERA over 5.00

 

Curt Schilling on the other hand has one of the lowest post-season ERAs and winning percentages...

[MikeJordan23 0]

This is the best avatar ever.

Thank you.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

RJ is 7-8 in the postseason, and he's 5-0 against the Yankees in the post-season too. Which means he's 2-8 against theother teams, with an ERA over 5.00

 

Curt Schilling on the other hand has one of the lowest post-season ERAs and winning percentages...

 

Johnson had an NLDS with the Astros where he started two games, gave up three uns combined, and left with two losses. That W/L record comes with a 3.08 ERA, and excellent peripherals. Given that his career regular season ERA is 3.07, I see no reason that Johnson can not come through in big games.

 

Schilling has the same peripherals, but his ERA is lower. Schilling is honestly one of the handful of big game pitchers, but he looked bad in the first half of the postseason, and who knows if his ankle will be the same. If they were to meet, I think it would be dead even, odds-wise. I think it depends on the park.

[MikeJordan23 0]

RJ is 7-8 in the postseason, and he's 5-0 against the Yankees in the post-season too. Which means he's 2-8 against theother teams, with an ERA over 5.00

 

Curt Schilling on the other hand has one of the lowest post-season ERAs and winning percentages...

 

Johnson had an NLDS with the Astros where he started two games, gave up three uns combined, and left with two losses. That W/L record comes with a 3.08 ERA, and excellent peripherals. Given that his career regular season ERA is 3.07, I see no reason that Johnson can not come through in big games.

 

Schilling has the same peripherals, but his ERA is lower. Schilling is honestly one of the handful of big game pitchers, but he looked bad in the first half of the postseason, and who knows if his ankle will be the same. If they were to meet, I think it would be dead even, odds-wise. I think it depends on the park.

But he also faced the Orioles twice in 1995 and gave up 8 runs in 13 innings, faced the Mets in 1999 and had 7 er in 8 innings, and faced the Cardinals in 2002 and gave up 5 er in 6 innings. He's had some legendary post-season performances, but he's also had a number of sub-par to atrocious outings too.

 

Schilling has been much more consistent.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

Dodgers might be backing out now since the money they were going to save was in order to keep Beltre.

 

Not to mention this is alot of money included in this deal, something that was suppose to stop after the Gabe White and A-Rod deals. If Selig lets teams swap $17mill about then its bullshit.

[MikeJordan23 0]

Dodgers might be backing out now since the money they were going to save was in order to keep Beltre.

 

Not to mention this is alot of money included in this deal, something that was suppose to stop after the Gabe White and A-Rod deals. If Selig lets teams swap $17mill about then its bullshit.

Unless they use the money to sign J.D Drew, I wouldn't do the trade. They'd give up another set-up man, their best offensive player, and a solid/good pitcher for Javier? That's too much.

[mike546 0]

If Green uses his no trade clause, NY is going to riot.

[MikeJordan23 0]

If Green uses his no trade clause, NY is going to riot.

He'd become my favorite player with Fat Albert is he did that

[mike546 0]

I don't see how that is posssible, even with Clement.

 

Schilling, Wells, Clement, Arroyo and Wake over RJ, Moose, Pavano, Wright and Brown?

 

No way.

Schilling is just as good as Johnson and much better in the post-season.

 

Wells I'd take over Pavano for one season, easily. When healthy, he's great in a big game

 

I'll give you Mussina over Clement

 

But I'd rather have Arroyo then Jarett Wright, and the 5th starter is pretty irrelevant on big offensive teams. Just has to be decent and you're fine.

 

If Pavano plays well, Yanks have a slight edge(Saying Boston gets Clement), but nothing unbeatable.

If your going to consider Pavano a one year wonder, then can't I argue Arroyo might turn out to be a bust aswell?

[Guest I *Heart* Jeff Weaver]

If Green uses his no trade clause, NY is going to riot.

If Green refuses to waive the NTC, the simple reponse would be to lock him in a room with Randy Johnson and have Shawn Green explain why Johnson has to remain in the bad sitcom that is the Arizona Diamondbacks.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

If Green uses his no trade clause, NY is going to riot.

If Green refuses to waive the NTC, the simple reponse would be to lock him in a room with Randy Johnson and have Shawn Green explain why Johnson has to remain in the bad sitcom that is the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Because if Johnson leaves, Green gets to play there. And I'm sure Green would think "better him than me."

[Guest I *Heart* Jeff Weaver]

If Green uses his no trade clause, NY is going to riot.

If Green refuses to waive the NTC, the simple reponse would be to lock him in a room with Randy Johnson and have Shawn Green explain why Johnson has to remain in the bad sitcom that is the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Because if Johnson leaves, Green gets to play there. And I'm sure Green would think "better him than me."

After Johnson has beaten him to a bloody pulp Green won't do much thinking at all.

[mike546 0]

Question.

 

Are the Yankees paying Javy's contract? If they aren't doesn't that mean they save a ton of money?

[KingPK 0]

I'm sure that the Yankees will eat at least SOME of it. Course, this IS the Diamondbacks here......

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

It's essentially multiple salary dumps. The D'backs get rid of Johnson's contract, the Dodgers dump Green's contract, and the Yankees dump Vazquez's contract.

[mike546 0]

So, basically, who gets the worst out of it $$$ wise?

 

I know all you have to do is minus the money from what each team got from who they gave up, but I'm to lazy to do that.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

So, basically, who gets the worst out of it $$$ wise?

 

I know all you have to do is minus the money from what each team got from who they gave up, but I'm to lazy to do that.

Ok, let's see...

 

The Yankees would get Randy Johnson. He is owed $10.5 Million next season, plus an additional $12 Million in deferred payments. He is signed through 2005. Total: $22.5 Million.

 

The Dodgers would receive Javier Vazquez and prospects. Vazquez is owed $10.5 Million next season, and $34.5 Million through 2007.

 

The Diamondbacks would get Shawn Green, Brad Penny, and Yhancy Brazoban. Penny is arbitration eligible, and Brazoban would receive the league minimum. However, neither are signed to contracts at the moment, so the D'backs don't owe them as of yet. Shawn Green is owed $16 Million next season.

 

Short term, the Dodgers save $6 Million, the D'backs add $6 Million, and the Yankees break even. Long term, the Yankees save $12 Million, the Diamondbacks save $6.5 Million, and the Dodgers add $18.5 Million.

[Guest Smues]

If Green uses his no trade clause, NY is going to riot.

If Green refuses to waive the NTC, the simple reponse would be to lock him in a room with Randy Johnson and have Shawn Green explain why Johnson has to remain in the bad sitcom that is the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Because LA gave him the no trade claus and it's his right to use it.

[Guest I *Heart* Jeff Weaver]

If Green uses his no trade clause, NY is going to riot.

If Green refuses to waive the NTC, the simple reponse would be to lock him in a room with Randy Johnson and have Shawn Green explain why Johnson has to remain in the bad sitcom that is the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Because LA gave him the no trade claus and it's his right to use it.

That should calm an incensed Johson down.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Ah. A poster pretending the supposed anger of Randy Johnson has any bearing on Shawn Green's decision. Smells like Anglesault to me.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

If you didn't look at the money issues, or the fact that any of the players were declining, if you told a Arizona fan they'd hve signed Consuel, Clayton, Sexon, Ortiz, and gotten Brazylton, Green and Penny in trades, they'd be pretty happy. But if you look at the big picture, they overpaid a pitcher on the decline, an injury prone 1st baseman, and gotten a VERY injury prone SP.

 

I know you can't tell by September, but Navarro hit very nicely in the ABs he had. Duncan on the otherhand, I don't think was called up.

Seattle signed Sexson the other day.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

If you didn't look at the money issues, or the fact that any of the players were declining, if you told a Arizona fan they'd hve signed Consuel, Clayton, Sexon, Ortiz, and gotten Brazylton, Green and Penny in trades, they'd be pretty happy. But if you look at the big picture, they overpaid a pitcher on the decline, an injury prone 1st baseman, and gotten a VERY injury prone SP.

 

I know you can't tell by September, but Navarro hit very nicely in the ABs he had. Duncan on the otherhand, I don't think was called up.

Seattle signed Sexson the other day.

I assumed he meant Troy Glaus.

[mike546 0]

Yes, thats what I meant.

 

Anyhow, the stories next year for Yanks Sox is going to be crazy. Schilling/RJ, Wells in NY, Empire Strikes Back, ect ..

[Bored 0]

Yes the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry really needed more hype.