CanadianChris Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Announcement should come in about an hour. In the meantime, check out my column! Learn the bitter truth about Jim Rice, rejoice in memories of Dan Quisenberry, and read why I changed my mind and support Dale Murphy for induction! You're being blackmailed with compromising photos from New Year's Eve?
CanadianChris Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Ryne Sandberg and Wade Boggs have been elected. EDIT: Results as follows: Candidate Votes % of Votes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wade Boggs 474 91.9 Ryne Sandberg 393 76.2 Bruce Sutter 344 66.7 Jim Rice 307 59.5 Rich Gossage 285 55.2 Andre Dawson 270 52.3 Bert Blyleven 211 40.9 Lee Smith 200 38.8 Jack Morris 172 33.3 Tommy John 123 23.8 Steve Garvey 106 20.5 Alan Trammell 87 16.9 Dave Parker 65 12.6 Don Mattingly 59 11.4 Dave Concepcion 55 10.7 Dale Murphy 54 10.5 Willie McGee 26 5.0 Jim Abbott 13 2.5 Darryl Strawberry 6 1.2 Jack McDowell 4 0.8 Chili Davis 3 0.6 Tom Candiotti 2 0.4 Jeff Montgomery 2 0.4 Tony Phillips 1 0.2 Terry Steinbach 1 0.2 Mark Langston 0 0.0 Otis Nixon 0 0.0
Vern Gagne Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Good choices. Gossage jumped up 15%. Still 20%, short. So it looks like the only sure thing in 2006 is Bruce Sutter.
sfaJack Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Who voted for Tony Phillips and Terry Steinbach?
The Czech Republic Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Excellent news. Congratulations to Ryne Sandberg on finally getting in. Any news on Veterans Committee? What's going on with that? I really hope Ron Santo gets in too.
The Czech Republic Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Who voted for Tony Phillips and Terry Steinbach? Same person who cast the electoral vote for Lloyd Bentsen.
CanadianChris Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Results for the VC vote are announced on March 2.
Vern Gagne Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Doesn't look like anyone on the Veterans committee is a lock. Hodges needs 14 more votes, Olivia needs 16 more votes, and Santo needs 18.
The Czech Republic Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Ron Santo not getting in is bullshit. Sorry but it really is.
CanadianChris Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Ron Santo not getting in is bullshit. Sorry but it really is. I don't want to live in a world where Tony Perez gets voted into the HOF but Ron Santo gets shut out entirely.
Rob E Dangerously Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Willie McGee survives but one thing I have to say about Sutter.. it's still bizarre to me that he's about to go to the Hall, but Dan Quisenberry was bounced after one year.
Bored Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Who voted for Tony Phillips and Terry Steinbach? If I had a vote I would have made a bias vote for Tony Phillips. He was vastly underrated as a player. Sandberg getting in makes 2006 that much more intersting as I figured Ryno would come up just short this year and be the only automatic next year. Unfortunently it appears Bruce Sutter will be the one to get in next year. It's amazing these idiot baseball writers continue to vote for Sutter more than Gossage. I'm on the fence on any pitcher who spent their entire career as a reliever being inducted into the Hall of Fame but if your going to pick one of them Gossage is a no brainer over Sutter. Problem is baseball writers are too interested in bright, shiny things and I guarentee you most of the writers who vote Sutter and not Gossage do it soley because Sutter won a Cy Young and Gossage didn't.
Rob E Dangerously Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Rice wasn't as good as his numbers. He was a right handed hitter in Fenway. And here's some of the "bolded numbers" for Gossage and Sutter from the 7th edition of Total Baseball Gossage Lead the league in saves 3 times (1975, 1978, 1980) Lead the league in "pitching runs" and "Adjusted Pitching Runs" (sabermetric stats) 3 times (1975, 1977, 1978) Lead the league in "Total Pitching Index" (1977) Sutter Lead the league in saves 5 times (1979 though 1982, 1984) Lead the league in pitching runs once (1984) Lead the league in "Adjusted Pitching Runs" twice (1979 and 1984) Lead the league in "Total pitching index" (1984) And when it comes to those numbers, Gossage tops Sutter, and Quisenberry tops Sutter
Bored Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 In case anyone is wondering this will essentially be next year's ballot: Holdovers Bruce Sutter Jim Rice Rich Gossage Andre Dawson Bert Blyleven Lee Smith Jack Morris Tommy John Steve Garvey Alan Trammell Dave Parker Don Mattingly Dave Concepcion Dale Murphy Willie McGee First Timers Rick Aguilera Albert Belle (if eligible) Will Clark Gary Gaetti Dwight Gooden Ozzie Guillen Orel Hershiser Gregg Jefferies Lance Johnson Doug Jones Roberto Kelly Mike Stanley Walt Weiss John Wetteleand
Rob E Dangerously Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Time to gear up the campaign for Blyleven. Ya know, one idea is 'write a short book, send it to the voters'
Vern Gagne Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Gossage's biggest problem is he's a jackass. The voters don't look kindly on players, they don't like.
Bored Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Here's a voting comparrison to holdovers from the 2004 ballot to what they received on the 2005 ballot 2004/2005 Bruce Sutter 59.49%/66.7% (+ 7.21%) Jim Rice 54.55%/59.5% (+ 4.95%) Andre Dawson 50%/52.3% (+ 2.3%) Rich Gossage 40.74%/55.2% (+ 14.46%) - biggest gainer Lee Smith 36.56%/38.8% (+ 2.24%) Bert Blyleven 35.38%/40.9% (+ 5.52%) Jack Morrs 26.28%/33.3% (+ 7.02%) Steve Garvey 24.31%/20.5% (- 3.81%) - biggest loser Tommy John 21.94%/23.8% (+ 1.86%) Alan Trammel 13.83%/16.9% (+ 3.07%) Don Mattingly 12.85%/11.4% (- 1.45%) Dave Concepcion 11.26%/10.7% (- 0.56%) Dave Parker 10.47%/12.6% (+ 2.13%) Dale Murphy 8.50%/10.5% (+ 2%)
Vern Gagne Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Leave Bruce Sutter alone. The sooner he makes the HOF, which is likely next year, the sooner Gossage gets in.
Guest Failed Mascot Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 I can live with Rice not being in the Hall so long as Mattingly never makes it in and Edgar Martinez is snubbed as well when his turn comes up.
MikeJordan23 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Rice wasn't as good as his numbers. He was a right handed hitter in Fenway. And here's some of the "bolded numbers" for Gossage and Sutter from the 7th edition of Total Baseball Gossage Lead the league in saves 3 times (1975, 1978, 1980) Lead the league in "pitching runs" and "Adjusted Pitching Runs" (sabermetric stats) 3 times (1975, 1977, 1978) Lead the league in "Total Pitching Index" (1977) Sutter Lead the league in saves 5 times (1979 though 1982, 1984) Lead the league in pitching runs once (1984) Lead the league in "Adjusted Pitching Runs" twice (1979 and 1984) Lead the league in "Total pitching index" (1984) And when it comes to those numbers, Gossage tops Sutter, and Quisenberry tops Sutter I wasn't aroundwhen he played, but everyone that's talked about him said he was the most dominate offensive player for atleast 5-6years. Plus his numbers are tremendous considering the era.
MikeJordan23 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Jim Rice Stats Won 1 MVP and finished top 5, 5 times Lead the League in HR 3 Times Slugging Percentage 2 Times Total Bases 4 Times 4 Years of 35+ HR, 8years of 100 Rbis, 5 years of slugging over .550
CanadianChris Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 In case anyone is wondering this will essentially be next year's ballot: Holdovers Bruce Sutter Jim Rice Rich Gossage Andre Dawson Bert Blyleven Lee Smith Jack Morris Tommy John Steve Garvey Alan Trammell Dave Parker Don Mattingly Dave Concepcion Dale Murphy Willie McGee First Timers Rick Aguilera Albert Belle (if eligible) Will Clark Gary Gaetti Dwight Gooden Ozzie Guillen Orel Hershiser Gregg Jefferies Lance Johnson Doug Jones Roberto Kelly Mike Stanley Walt Weiss John Wetteleand Wow. Hershiser is the only one I would even consider voting for out of all the first-timers. I think Sutter will get in for sure next year, and Gossage has a pretty good shot as well. (If only we could reverse that.)
Guest Failed Mascot Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Gooden could make it in too.
MikeJordan23 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Gooden could make it in too. Not likely. He feel off terribly and he's not that well liked (Which factors in some). But his first few seasons were incredible (Especially Dwight's second season).
Vern Gagne Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 I think Sutter will get in for sure next year, and Gossage has a pretty good shot as well. (If only we could reverse that.) Why do we care so much?
Rob E Dangerously Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 If Blyleven were on better teams, he would have 300 wins. It's a shame that too few people measure the amount of run support given to a pitcher. Blyleven got really screwed in 1973. He had 7 complete game losses, and he gave up 3 runs or less in 6 of those losses.
Vern Gagne Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Andre Dawson was one of the best OFers in baseball during the 80's.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted January 5, 2005 Author Report Posted January 5, 2005 Rice was vastly overrated. Like I stated in my column, his home numbers dwarf his road numbers. If he hadn't played in Fenway, he would not be a candidate. You can view the numbers yourself... http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Jricej0010.htm As for the rest, I echo the above statements regarding Gossage/Sutter, and Bert Blyleven.
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