Guest Failed Mascot Report post Posted January 3, 2005 Quite frankly I love talking about the NFL draft. A team can literally turn around their entire fortunes with one good draft. So after seeing what your team's biggest weaknesses were this season what positions do you want them to focus on or what players do you want to see on your team next season? For the Patriots its gotta be about the secondary, a big time Tackle, and getting younger in the area of LBer. I want to see the Pats come away with at least 2 of these players. Marlin Jackson, CB, Michigan - Big physical corner that's a great tackler. Hardly ever gets beat in terms of speed. Best overall corner in the draft in my opinion now but he's been overshadowed by a couple others. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn - Not as good as Jackson in my opinion because he isn't good against the run. He's a big time playmaker though and always finds himself around the ball. Reminds me of Deion in his prime. Elton Brown, OG, Virginia - I think he could easily move to Tackle and he's just an absolute monster in the run game. Move him to Tackle and a healthy Tom Ashworth to G while letting Andruzzi go since he'll probably cost too much. I'm praying he makes it to the second round. Barrett Rudd, ILB, Nebraska - Very smart player and the kind Belichik likes to draft. Roman Phifer is likely to retire at the end of the year and Ted Johnson isn't getting any younger. While he can't change direction all that well he's great at stuffing the run. I think he could be the next Ted Johnson to be honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2005 NFLDRAFT.COM The local team. A defensive Lineman, Safety, Corner, and LB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2005 Defensive End: The ends opposite Kearse should be wreaking havoc and that has not been the case. This is where I would use the first round pick. Hopefully David Pollack slips since he doesn't have 4.4 speed or the super physical skills everyone looks at instead of production. Either way, there are plenty of DEs in this years draft that they will get a good one in the first. Wide Receiver: Unless he really steps it up in the playoffs (come on, let me finish before laughing), he is going to be a key fall guy yet again and I don't think he will be able to recover. They need to get someone in here. I would use their second second round pick here. Or I would package to move up and get Mike Williams if he drops to the 10th pick region being they have a shitload of picks. Running back: I would use the first second rounder on a RB. You pair up Westbrook with an Arrington, Houston, Fason, Williams and that can be a deadly backfield. Defensive tackle: In the second half of the draft they need to draft a couple of the patented big fat turds to clog up the middle of a line. Grab a couple and at least one will work out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2005 Alex Smith of Utah, and WR-Chris Henry of West Virginia have declared themselves eligible for the 2005 draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2005 For the Saints: Considering that the Saints are strong at Wide Receiver, Running Back, Defensive Tackle, Quarterback, Punter, and Defensive End, I'd say the areas that could improve most through the draft are Offensive Linemen and Defensive Backs Considering they're slated to pick 16th, I'm not expecting them to pick up the top guys. (Then again, there doesn't seem to be an Orlando Pace, Robert Gallery, or Deion Sanders in this draft) These are good players who are listed at 3rd or lower at their positions: Cornerback Antrel Rolle of Miami Cornerback Corey Webster of LSU Safety Jimmy Williams of Virginia Tech Center Vince Carter of Oklahoma Center Ben Wilkerson of LSU Tackle Jammal Brown of Oklahoma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2005 Seattle: Defense and possibly another RB though Maurice Morris is back there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted January 3, 2005 The Bengals REALLY need help on Defensive Line to stop the run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2005 I wouldn't call Brooks a strong QB. From what i've seen, he's inconsitent and prone to dumb mistakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2005 I'm just liking the possibility of so many of my boys going in the first round. According to Mel Kiper Jr. Jammal Brown, Mark Clayton, and Dan Cody are all going in the first round and probably Vince Carter and Mark Bradley as well. As for the Eagles. It'd be nice if they picked up another talented wideout. Mike Williams will not be available for them so I'm not sure. I'd have to look at the list of WR's coming out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Gecko Report post Posted January 3, 2005 The Detroit Lions. Their offense is pretty much set if Charles Rogers stays healthy... (a big IF there). They COULD use a big play TE, but I don't really see any in this draft. I would like to see them take Ernest Shazor at S, because I really don't like Bracy Walker. Other than that I don't really know, maybe a bad ass Linebacker? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted January 3, 2005 Anyone got the Draft order yet? Obviously only the top 20 slots are filled as the last 12 are too be deterimined via post-season. But it HAS to be muddled with the various 7-9 and 8-8 teams there. I'm sure there's loads of Tiebreakers to be determined. Curious to see if 'Nati has a low teen or high teen draft position Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2005 The Detroit Lions. Their offense is pretty much set if Charles Rogers stays healthy... (a big IF there). They COULD use a big play TE, but I don't really see any in this draft. I would like to see them take Ernest Shazor at S, because I really don't like Bracy Walker. Other than that I don't really know, maybe a bad ass Linebacker? No, they need a better quarterback. Joey Harrington and Mike McMahon isn't cutting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 I wouldn't call Brooks a strong QB. From what i've seen, he's inconsitent and prone to dumb mistakes. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for one more season as long as they can bulk up his O-line. If they give him great blocking and he still finds a way to screw it up, it may be time to trade him and get Drew Brees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 It still wouldn't suprise me if the Saints draft a QB in the first day of the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 Defensive End: The ends opposite Kearse should be wreaking havoc and that has not been the case. This is where I would use the first round pick. Hopefully David Pollack slips since he doesn't have 4.4 speed or the super physical skills everyone looks at instead of production. Either way, there are plenty of DEs in this years draft that they will get a good one in the first. If Pollack doesn't fall to the Eagles, how would you feel about Marcus Spears from LSU? I've seen a couple of projections that have the Eagles taking him at the end of Round 1. Wide Receiver: Unless he really steps it up in the playoffs (come on, let me finish before laughing), he is going to be a key fall guy yet again and I don't think he will be able to recover. They need to get someone in here. I would use their second second round pick here. Or I would package to move up and get Mike Williams if he drops to the 10th pick region being they have a shitload of picks. Agreed about Pinkston and I think Mitchell's probably gone too. I've heard that they will probably try to upgrade at the #2 WR slot this offseason, but I think they may try to scour the FA market first before using a draft pick. Running back: I would use the first second rounder on a RB. You pair up Westbrook with an Arrington, Houston, Fason, Williams and that can be a deadly backfield. I hope to God that Ronnie Brown falls to them. Great reciever out of the backfield and a perfect complement for Westbrook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
converge241 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 1st the main teams i care about in order: for the Steelers a running back (im not sold on Duce) or best defensive player available for the Pats linebacker or defensive back for the Buccaneers best available..theres no huge holes but a lot of small ones for the Texans more defensive line help a good unit but could use more to put them over against the run regarding the Detroit talk: NO WAY they take a qb early..they will bring in maybe a Kurt Warner to push (or take the job from) Harrington..if there were better qbs this year MAYBE i could see that reach but they will go defense id bet as far as others: 49ers better not take Leinart..i mean f em if they do cause i cant stand them but they really arent in a position to grab him and have him get killed and hes not a guy who will be "the guy"..lots of rumors they wont bother anyway which is smart on their part just take the best available non QB on the board..they may trade barlow and grab a RB (barlow's deal is cap friendly if they trade him quickly into the offseason) Ravens better get some more receiver help Dallas should use both 1st rounders on defense as should the Chargers maybe a wr for the chargers though with one of those) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted January 4, 2005 It still wouldn't suprise me if the Saints draft a QB in the first day of the draft. That isn't going to happen. At all. Maybe the second day, but QB isn't really the Saints' heel. I would love for the Saints' to snag Derrick Johnson, but I would be happy with Antrel Rolle or Carlos Rogers. As for my second favorite team, the Lions? Eh... it's way too hard to tell where they are going for. O/D-Line, LB, secondary (Thomas Davis, UGA)? Too tough to tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 It still wouldn't suprise me if the Saints draft a QB in the first day of the draft. The site above predicts they'll draft Kyle Orton, but I'd be wary of him considering he has some of the same problems as Brooks (bad decisionmaking and fumbilitis at all the wrong times). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 WR Taylor Stubblefield out of Purdue could be a solid 2nd Round pick for a team in need like a Baltimore or Philadelphia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 The 49ers should and probably will trade the #1 pick. They have waaaaay too many holes to draft a quarterback and watch him get killed behind their pathetic offensive line. They need to heavily stockpile picks as even in the parity stricken NFL they are no where close to being a playoff team. Problem is with the current regime I have no confidence in them actually drafting anyone good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 The 49ers should and probably will trade the #1 pick. They have waaaaay too many holes to draft a quarterback and watch him get killed behind their pathetic offensive line. They need to heavily stockpile picks as even in the parity stricken NFL they are no where close to being a playoff team. Problem is with the current regime I have no confidence in them actually drafting anyone good. The reason that York and company would actually trade the pick is that the league mandates that the #1 pick of the entire draft makes at LEAST a certain amount based on past #1 picks. I could see them progressively trading down from #1 to the point where they have 2 or more picks in the middle or end of the first round as well as a bunch of late-round picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 Yes that thought had occured to me too, although I'd actually agree in theory with not wanting to pay big money to a rookie quarterback. "We have a trade...the San Francisco 49ers have traded the first overall selection in the NFL draft to *insert team* for a 7th round pick in 2012." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 If Pollack doesn't fall to the Eagles, how would you feel about Marcus Spears from LSU? I've seen a couple of projections that have the Eagles taking him at the end of Round 1. Really, I could live with Spears, either of the Codys or Pollack. Like I said, either way they should end up with a good one, I am just a Pollack fan and would prefer him. I hope to God that Ronnie Brown falls to them. Great reciever out of the backfield and a perfect complement for Westbrook. And I have no hope of Brown making it that far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Failed Mascot Report post Posted January 4, 2005 Ronnie Brown is a top ten pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 I don't know about that, just because there is a glut of RBs this year and not that many teams in the top 10 need them. 1. SF - They have Hicks, who played well, and Barlow and too many other holes to use the pick on RB when they have those two. 2. Miami - Certainly can see an RB here. 3. Cleveland - Similar to Clev. in that they have Suggs and too many other needs to use the pick on his replacement. 4. Titans - Brown 5. Arizona - Needs a RB 6. Chicago - T. Jones 7. Tampa - Pittman 8. Washington- Portis 9. Detroit - K. Jones 10. Dallas- J. Jones 11. San Diego - LT 12. Oakland - Needs a RB So out of the top 12 there are three that really need to address RB and I would be surprised to not see one of them end up with Alexander as a FA. So either Benson (doubtful), Brown, or Cadillac is going to drop and be a top value for some team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 Reading up on Fason, he seems to be the RB I could see the Eagles picking: big physical back, great reciever out of the backfield, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 I don't know if he has declared yet though and with the depth at RB, I could see him going back for the senior year. It is funny reading the writeup on Arrington. It looks dead on like a writeup on Westbrook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 I read in one of Fason's profiles that he's got a wife and 2 kids, so that may be a factor in his decision of if he'll declare for the draft. Holy shit, Arrington's profile does really remind me of Westbrook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Failed Mascot Report post Posted January 4, 2005 Benson will end up in Miami. T.Jones is nothing special, so I could see Brown headed to Chicago. Arizona picks at 11 now so they could go with a QB or Cadillac if they feel Shipp won't come back 100%. Even then the Seahawks and Colts have picks before Philli to grab a RB should they fall and both teams lose their backs to FA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 Oh, there is no way that he falls all the way to Philly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites