Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 I both forgot Ward, and wouldn't have him in my Top 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 I only want to post because I think that Randy Moss is the best receiver in the league, bar none. The people who put T.O. ahead of him are crazy. I mean, how can I be the only one that shares this opinion? Great with the deep ball, incredible hands, great leap, amazing coordination, plays when he's hurt and is tougher then most give him credit for (because of the attitude). I don't want to get into the fact that what the fans say to him is worse then whatever end zone celebration he does. Best WR in football. I think Philly got lucky in their first game, what with T.O.'s non-TD catch, and with him out of the equation, things will be easier. Oh yeah, he's pretty damn fast too. Peyton Manning is the best QB. Most intelligent, best arm, great accuracy, and the ability to make VX think that Brandon Stokeley is one of, if not THE best receiver in the league. That has to count for something. I don't know about RB, it seems that there is no standout guy, but I'd go with LT. His ability to be great both in the run and on the pass, not to mention that he's a great team player make him my pick. BenRo reminds me a lot of Brady. Great team surrounding him, but he just wins. Doesn't make really bad mistakes, he just does what he has to to win. We'll see how that translates to his performance in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Failed Mascot Report post Posted January 15, 2005 QB 5.) Vick 4.) McNabb 3.) Culpepper 2.) Brady 1.) Manning(although I would like to see how he does with a lack luster crowd around him as Brady has done) RB 5.) Curtis Martin 4.) Jamal Lewis 3.) Corey Dillon 2.) Shaun Alexander 1.) Ladanian Tomlinson WR 5.) Reggie Wayne 4.) Hines Ward 3.) Terrell Owens 2.) Andre Johnson 1.) Randy Moss I'll get flak for not putting Marvin Harrison there but I really do feel Reggie Wayne is better than him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Man in Blak 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 And the underratedness of Deuce McAllister CONTINUES! Being injured for almost half of the year doesn't help him out that much. I'll get flak for not putting Marvin Harrison there but I really do feel Reggie Wayne is better than him. Did it ever occur to you that Reggie Wayne gets easy looks because Harrison almost demands double coverage from the secondary on every route? My Top 5 QB 1. Peyton Manning - Best pure quarterback in the game. 2. Daunte Culpepper - Should be getting the hype that Vick gets. 3. Tom Brady - If Brady is a system quarterback, then why couldn't Bledsoe get the job done? 4. Donovan McNabb - Great numbers, but still has some progress to make as a QB. 5. Brett Favre - He'd be No. 3 if he kept from throwing some of the most stupid interceptions in the history of quarterbacking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 3. Tom Brady - If Brady is a system quarterback, then why couldn't Bledsoe get the job done? He's not exactly getting it done in Buffalo either.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Failed Mascot Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Did it ever occur to you that Reggie Wayne gets easy looks because Harrison almost demands double coverage from the secondary on every route? yes, but while I've seen Marvin drop or fumble when hit extremely hard I haven't seen Wayne do the same as often. He's more physical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 No love for Joe Horn at WR? The man came up 6 yards shy of the NFL receiving title this year with one of the flakiest QBs in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Ward would be top 5 if Maddox was back at QB, but Big Ben doesn't throw to him enough. Plus Pittsburgh is crazy about the run right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 3. Tom Brady - If Brady is a system quarterback, then why couldn't Bledsoe get the job done? He's not exactly getting it done in Buffalo either.... Brady fits that system. Bledsoe fits NO system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted January 15, 2005 And the underratedness of Deuce McAllister CONTINUES! Being injured for almost half of the year doesn't help him out that much. And yet he still cracked 1000 yards in the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 No Tiki love? Bah to that. He had the highest % of yardage for his team, more than anybody else in the NFL. Lead the NFC in total yards, lead the Giants in recieving, 1400+ yards rushing ect ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 And the underratedness of Deuce McAllister CONTINUES! Being injured for almost half of the year doesn't help him out that much. And yet he still cracked 1000 yards in the season. Another thing making Deuce's numbers more impressive is that Aaron Brooks got an INSANE amount of the touches for the Saints this year, throwing more attempts than any other QBs this year because the Saints got so far behind early in games. If they'd given Deuce a decent amount of touches, he'd have probably broken 1500 yards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 QB's 1.) Manning 2.) Culpepper 3.) Brady 4.) McNabb 5.) Hasselback RB's 1.) LT 2.) Alexander 3.) McAllister 4.) Holmes 5.) Barber WR's 1.) Moss 2.) Harrison 3.) Owens 4.) Ward 5.) Horn/Holt What about the TE's? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 I can only think of Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates as being key TEs for their offenses.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 QBs: 5. Chad Pennington 4. Tom Brady 3. Donovan McNabb 2. Daunte Culpepper 1. Peyton Manning RBs: 5. Curtis Martin 4. Corey Dillon 3. Alexander 2. Edgerrin James 1. LT WRs: 5. Chad Johnson 4. Randy Moss 3. Hines Ward 2. Marvin Harrison 1. Terell Owens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 RBs 1. LT 2. Alexander - For some reason, I still do not buy into him, but the numbers are there so I can't rank him any lower. 3. Dillon - Impressed me this year as I thought he was going to be one of those "good stats on a bad team" type players. Coming through for a team that matters was big 4. Westbrook - I believe he goes 1,000/1,000 next year. 5. Domanic Davis - Could go 1,000/1,000 next year Obviously, looking at my list I am a fan of the versatile RB that you can get creative with. Holmes would obviously be no. 1 if I had any confidence in him staying healthy. McAllister, James, and Lewis would be my next three in any order given what mood I am in. WRs 1. Randy Moss - Still the best at being the one to bring it in when the QB just heaves it. That quality always provides an out and is why I put him ahead of Owens. 2. Terrell Owens 3. Andre Johnson 4. Joe Horn - Again, like Alexander, I do not buy into him as a dominant player but the stats are there. 5. Michael Clayton - I really like what he was able to do coming in as a rookie and putting up numbers in Tampa where he was opposite joey Galloway. With more experience, if he can get some better talent around him he can really be special. Muhammad, if he does it again next year, will pop into the list. But at this point he had a hot 8 games compared to a mediocre last few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 1. LaDanian Tomlinson, Chargers- You can't dispute this one. Seriously. 1. Ladanian Tomlinson 2. LT 1.Tomlinson 1. LT 1. LaDanian Tomlinson 1. Ladanian Tomlinson #1: LaDainian Tomlinson 1.) Ladanian Tomlinson 1.) LT 1. LT 1. LT 12 lists, 11 #1's and a #2 for a guy who averaged 3.92 yards a carry this year. I know one year evaluations are unfair and all but I'm starting to think Tomlinson may at least be a tad overrated. I also realize he played hurt this year but if we are to completely ignore injuries I think a healthy Priest Holmes is better than a healthy Tomlinson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 I think a healthy Priest Holmes is better than a healthy Tomlinson. I would agree for the most part, though LT has Priest beat in the youth department. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 I can only think of Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates as being key TEs for their offenses.... I think in general WR's and TE's are rarely huge difference makers without at least a good to solid QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Curtis Martin's blocking is underrated. Just throwing that out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 I can only think of Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates as being key TEs for their offenses.... I think in general WR's and TE's are rarely huge difference makers without at least a good to solid QB. And I've seen TEs (sometimes WRs) be used as a crutch for the QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 That's true. However, I'm thinking overall. It's hard for a receiver to reach their potential without a decent QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 That's true. However, I'm thinking overall. It's hard for a receiver to reach their potential without a decent QB. While he may not have reached his full potential, Steve Largent did well with revolving door QBs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Jason Witten of the Cowboys and Eric Johnson of the 49ers both did well this year with less than stellar quarterback play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 That's true. However, I'm thinking overall. It's hard for a receiver to reach their potential without a decent QB. While he may not have reached his full potential, Steve Largent did well with revolving door QBs. Point taken. I didn't say it's always the case. More like it's much easier with a good QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Jason Witten of the Cowboys and Eric Johnson of the 49ers both did well this year with less than stellar quarterback play. Johnson's impact fell, once defenses figured he was the only threat the 49ers had on offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Peyton Manning is the best QB. Most intelligent, best arm, great accuracy, and the ability to make VX think that Brandon Stokeley is one of, if not THE best receiver in the league. That has to count for something. I'm not sure if I made this clear or not, but I rated Stokley along with Wayne and Harrison as a trio, not as a solo receiver. I think the three all need, and compliment each other nicely, to make the top spot at receiver. Randy Moss, however, is arguably the best receiver in the league, and he only needs himself to make plays. Getting doubled, and sometimes tripled and still somehow being able to come up with the ball and often times the TD is what seperates the elite from the good. Peyton's stats are inflated because Indy has been playing Martz ball this year, and although he's the smartest QB in the league (I don't think anyone can dispute that), he doesn't have the athletic ability that Culpepper has, which gives the passing game an extra dimension. If Peyton didn't have a great o-line ahead of him, he wouldn't have even close to the same amount of success. I would agree for the most part, though LT has Priest beat in the youth department. LT's turning 26 this year, and Priest is 32, so yeah. Priest has just been entering the decline of his career (and I believe it'll only go down because of injuries), and LT isn't even quite in his prime yet. LT's WORST year came this year when he still managed the best TD output of his career (17), averaged 89 yards a game, and still racked up almost 4 yards a carry, which is serviceable for an NFL RB (it should be at least between the 3.8-4.2 mark), and still had 53 receptions. He's a dual threat, and I imagine his rushing numbers went down because teams stacked the line against San Diego, and Brees/Gates made teams pay for it all season. The thing with LT is he's also a back who can run you over and burn you. He really is an ideal combination of strength and speed, and you can see most people here agree with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted January 15, 2005 12 lists, 11 #1's and a #2 for a guy who averaged 3.92 yards a carry this year. I know one year evaluations are unfair and all but I'm starting to think Tomlinson may at least be a tad overrated. I also realize he played hurt this year but if we are to completely ignore injuries I think a healthy Priest Holmes is better than a healthy Tomlinson. You do realize that LT doesn't even NEARLY the line that Priest Holmes has, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted January 15, 2005 And the underratedness of Deuce McAllister CONTINUES! Being injured for almost half of the year doesn't help him out that much. And yet he still cracked 1000 yards in the season. Another thing making Deuce's numbers more impressive is that Aaron Brooks got an INSANE amount of the touches for the Saints this year, throwing more attempts than any other QBs this year because the Saints got so far behind early in games. If they'd given Deuce a decent amount of touches, he'd have probably broken 1500 yards. Oh, I know he would have. That's why I'm hoping for the firing of our OC and now let me go pray for Norm Chow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hektik 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 LT's numbers went down this year because his hamstring was injured for a good portion of the season. If you want to know how good LT really is, look to last year. He was stuck behind a horrible Offensive line and opposing defenses stacked the line against him even more so last year. Yet he still became the first RB in NFL history to run for 1,000 yards and catch 100 passes. and he still didn't get to go to the Pro Bowl last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites