Will you order TNA Final Resolution?

[Styles 0]

Another poll to test TNA interest amongst TSM. No, I don't work for TNA but as a long time fan and advocate I want to help promote this show and gauge it's interest around here. I ask you all to please review the poll that gathered Turning Point reaction to show that even if TNA shows might not get a lot of hype, they have the potential to exceed expectations and deliver an entertaining show. A majority of respondents said that they didn't order but think they would have enjoyed the show. Don't be left out this time! http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=64433

 

There is no doubt WWE New Year's Revolution was bad. Besides a decent main event with a groaner finish the rest of the show is being called the worst 100 minutes of a WWE PPV ever. TNA offers an alternative this Sunday on PPV with their 3rd 3 hour epic PPV, Final Resolution.

 

Here are some reasons I give it my reccomendation:

-Rising favorite Monty Brown will finally get his shot at the NWA title and although it is not guarenteed, it is largely believed he will take the title from Jeff Jarrett.

-The Ultimate X match returns. Much like the cage match stole the show at Turning Point, Ultimate X has the potential to do the same with this show. At Victory Road, AJ Styles and Petey Williams had the match of the night and Williams and Sabin had an epic match that would have been match of the night at Turning Point (if not for the cage match). All 3 will be looking to steal the show in this one.

- AMW, consistent deliverers of good tag team matches take on the more than capable Team Canada in a tag title match

-plus, fresh off the Cage Walk '04, Elix Skipper will be in there against Sonjay Dutt in an X division match that with some time should deliver.

-And although it's not been announced yet, Daniels/Kazarian and Shane will take on 3Lk in what should be an entertaining match.

-Plus TNA always like to bring out suprises and special appearences for their big shows, so who knows what to expect in this one.

 

Ok, that's my opinion out of the way. Please do vote, and if you are unsure I hope those who have made up their mind (either way) can help those who are decide.

[2GOLD 0]

If I wasn't broke, yes.

 

Something I'd never say about a WWE PPV. I like X division matches enough to buy these PPVs. Plus they did enough at the last one to peak my interest and IMPACT has been very good lately.

 

But right now, not happening.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

No.

 

Main event doesn't look appealing at ALL, despite that it's obviously going to be Brown/Jarrett, since I'd put money down on Jarrett retaining against whoever anyway.

 

The only Ultimate X match that I felt was any good whatsoever was UX2, which featured the awesomeness of both LowKi and Christopher Daniels to carry Michael Shane, with Sabin hitting his highspots here and there (but ultimately, as in the first Ultimate X, the winner was the one that had the worst showing during the match) before the win. Another UX match with Sabin? Meh. He's being stereotyped. Williams? Uber-meh. I haven't ever cared for Williams, and he's never given me a reason to. Styles? He should be in the main event, not challenging against Petey Williams for a title he's already won three times.

 

America's Most Wanted sucks. Team Canada sucks, unless it's Johnny fucking Devine. And even if it is Devine, he can't carry the suckbags known as AMW to a good match. Christopher Daniels and LowKi were barely able to carry AMW to good matches a year and a half ago.

 

Elix Skipper...is overrated by every TNA fan there is. To say he's nothing more than a spotmonkey is actually giving him too much credit. Sonjay Dutt has never shown me anything about him to make me see him as anything more than a generic cruiserweight.

 

Daniels/Kazarishane vs. 3LK? Talk about wasted potential. Daniels/Kazarishane would be a very good teaming, as Kazarian and Shane compliment each other to the point where I actually LIKE them now, and Daniels is fucking Daniels, so he's always great. But BG James? Konnan? Terrible. Truth needs to get away from 3LK for good and back into the World title hunt.

 

The other matches advertised do nothing for me but make me glad I'm saving $15 by seeing NECW tomorrow night instead of ordering Final Resolution.

[Styles 0]

Laz, you are entitled to your opinion and I thank you for sharing it (this is to clarify I have no intention of starting any arguments in this thread.)

I would just like to clarify that Styles personally requested last year to be moved back into the X division so he could work with faster opponents and have more innovative matches.

I also disagree with the sentiment that AMW don't have good matches and your assements of Petey Williams, Sonjay Dutt and Elix Skipper as nothing special.

I will also say the buzz for a while has been than Jarrett is fully aware that it's time for him to lose the belt (maybe even out of a selfish attempt not to be the champion if the company goes down), but it more likely than ever to happen this Sunday and Brown is the most likely to take it. In fact that reason they promoted a 3 way with Nash and DDP is because even though they wanted Brown in the title match they were afraid it wouldn't sell to the mainstream and thus added DDP and Nash who have name value to reach the same ends.

 

Again, everyone's entitled to share their opinions.

[RedJed 0]

I'm still going to order it, but not without less than a large amount of excitement at the overall card lineup. Regardless, I still feel like it will deliver well and above the WWE shows as of late, and possibly continue the momentum from Turning Point since they know what is riding here and everyone will surely work hard.

 

Main event: If it isnt Brown and if Brown doesnt win the title, its going to be a letdown whatever the case.

 

Ultimate X: This one should be great and easily MOTN.

 

Tag titles: This doesnt really interest me - AMW is stale as hell and Team Canada is ok but is also kind of stagnent.

 

Triple Threat match actually sounds intriuging just to see how Page and Nash work against Brown.

 

Rest of the undercard is rather weak. Kash/Rhodes might be ok, but everything else was just thrown together with little booking thought put behind it. Skipper and Daniels are horribly misused right now and honestly, they would have probably be best fit on this show to have been put against each other in a number one contenders X division match or something.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

How am I underrating Dutt, Williams, and Skipper as singles performers? Dutt has done nothing of note besides a decent series with The Amazing Red last year that was, basically, just one match broken into 3 parts. Williams, outside of having the most business-exposing finisher around today, doesn't do anything that notable in the ring. And Skipper has never been a good singles wrestler. There's a reason his best matches are tag bouts: so that his partner can be tagged in before Skipper loses track of what's going on.

[RedJed 0]

I kind of agree with Dutt and Skipper (although Dutt has stepped it up in some matches - mostly those outside TNA rings before) but to say Williams is overrated is a stretch. He had two solid matches at the last two ppvs, the last with Sabin which is an easy TNA MOTY.

 

How is his finisher "exposing the business?" That's the first time I've heard someone say that.

[Vyce 0]

How is his finisher "exposing the business?" That's the first time I've heard someone say that.

 

I assume because the move is one of the most implausible-looking I've ever seen.

 

To answer the title question: no, I won't be ordering it. Not because I have issues with the card or because I don't want TNA to succeed, but rather because of my policy that there really isn't ANY incentive to order wrestling PPVs these days, when - whether the show is good, bad, great or awful - all one has to do is wait two months and the card will be released on DVD anyway.

 

No matter how much the entire PPV experience is made better by watching it live as it happens, for those of us on a budget, $20 DVD > $30/35 PPV any day of the week.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

How is his [Williams's] finisher "exposing the business?" That's the first time I've heard someone say that.

As Vyce said, it's implausible. It's obvious that the person taking it does the majority of the work for the move, which just makes it fairly business-exposing in my eyes, and ruins my suspension of disbelief greatly. If he were to do it with him on middle rope and his opponent standing in the ring, or running at a hunched over opponent, it wouldn't seem as implausible (with both cases because Williams would have the momentum to do the move and make it believable), but as it is? No.

[Styles 0]

It's a cool wrestling move that to most viewers is exciting and innovative. 99% of wrestling moves are inplausible and require huge cooperation from the other guy. It's why you don't see much besides basic slams and suplexes in UFC and Pride. If the guy's finisher was a heart punch or a chinlock it would be realistic and you would complain that his offense is too boring. Any excuse to complain about TNA I suppose...

[Taker666 0]

Nope, my PPV money is going to the Royal Rumble.

[Guest LooneyTune]

No. I never like a gamble about the main event. If TNA wants me to order, they should fucking make a REAL Main Event instead of the "winner of so-and-so match goes to fight World Champion."

 

If Nash won the Contenders match, I would be pretty pissed and want a refund.

[Exslade ZX 0]

It's a cool wrestling move that to most viewers is exciting and innovative. 99% of wrestling moves are inplausible and require huge cooperation from the other guy. It's why you don't see much besides basic slams and suplexes in UFC and Pride. If the guy's finisher was a heart punch or a chinlock it would be realistic and you would complain that his offense is too boring. Any excuse to complain about TNA I suppose...

That's my thing exactly. You may say that the move 'exposes the business' but then again...so does the People's Elbow. I mean, WTF? So do moves like a simple Tiger Driver. (Believe me, it'd be hard as hell trying to do it without the cooperation of the other person, no matter how strong you are). Or half the moves done from the top rope, where the person on the ground either overacts to get in position, or slide like 2 feet after they're already down. etc.

 

And as for the topic. No, I haven't even really seen an Impact since Turning Point. It's funny though, because I thought, when it'd become free, I'd watch it a lot more, but evidently I was wrong, as I watched a lot more TNA when I had to pay for it...

 

Odd. Plus, this PPV doesn't look you know...too interesting. I'll probaly just acquire it legally for free..the day after the same way I did with Turning Point (which I still have yet to watch.) so yea..

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

It's a cool wrestling move that to most viewers is exciting and innovative. 99% of wrestling moves are inplausible and require huge cooperation from the other guy. It's why you don't see much besides basic slams and suplexes in UFC and Pride. If the guy's finisher was a heart punch or a chinlock it would be realistic and you would complain that his offense is too boring.

Who cares if it's over? In a few months, the fans won't give a fuck about it because the move will be overexposed. Like I said, I wouldn't hate the move as much as I do if he were to be running before doing it, or done it off the top with his opponent standing in the ring, but as it is? I feel it exposes the business too much for me to like it. It doesn't even have the showmanship that the People's Elbow did to at least make up for it. It's just "oh, I'm Petey Williams, and this guy is going to backflip while I roll forward."

Any excuse to complain about TNA I suppose...

I only complain about valid points. It's not my fault that there's a shitload of valid points to complain about with TNA.

[slimm44 0]

TNA puts on great shows and this one looks good, but not as great as the previous two. I can't order it because I'm at school, but an hour from Orlando. Depending on the weather and my mood, I might go see it

[Styles 0]

It's a cool wrestling move that to most viewers is exciting and innovative. 99% of wrestling moves are inplausible and require huge cooperation from the other guy. It's why you don't see much besides basic slams and suplexes in UFC and Pride. If the guy's finisher was a heart punch or a chinlock it would be realistic and you would complain that his offense is too boring.

Who cares if it's over? In a few months, the fans won't give a fuck about it because the move will be overexposed. Like I said, I wouldn't hate the move as much as I do if he were to be running before doing it, or done it off the top with his opponent standing in the ring, but as it is? I feel it exposes the business too much for me to like it. It doesn't even have the showmanship that the People's Elbow did to at least make up for it. It's just "oh, I'm Petey Williams, and this guy is going to backflip while I roll forward."

Just to clarify, again, he finished off AJ Styles at Victory Road with the exact variation you suggested (from the top with the crouched over), and as for showmanship he has started using the "reelin' 'em in" motion to get the fans to anticipate the move is coming and it's been pretty over. Of course I wouldn't expect you to know these things as it's seemingly more fun to crticize what you haven't seen.

Anyway, this topic can go in circles. TNA has never boasted the "most realistic wrestling" it boasts it's X division as innovative and high flying. If that's not your thing, fine. But don't try to use petty excuses that could applied to any wrestler (hell SCSA's stunner required huge cooperation and looked pretty fake, yet it's one of the most over finishers in wrestling history. Similarily, Petey's Destroyer was voted by the TNA fans (the ones who matter since they're investing their time and money into the product) as best finisher of the year, so obviously the fans like it and I've said from the beginning that TNA's key to survival is to push what fans like (re: Monty Brown for champion!) regardless of petty elitist nitpicking about this and that. Hogan in the 80s was a shitty worker with the same match every time yet fans ate him up and he made the company millions. Im certainly not comparing that level remotely to anything in TNA but it's the same concept.

 

Ok, I'm done venting. I really didn't want arguments but intend to make this thread part 1 of my 2 (or more) part experiment. Continued thanks to everyone who votes and ecpecially gives their comments. I find it interesting that many respondents who will not be ordering are doing so not because of the product but because of financial or locational reasons...

[Guest LooneyTune]

Let's translate those 2 comments through the BS-to-English machine...

 

"I'm broke" generally means "I wouldn't waste my hard earned money on that."

 

"Location Problem" means "I have better things to do than watch this".

[Guest Fook_Theta]

The Stunner does not require a lot of cooperation to do, although it obviously needs someone that can sell decent. See Vince's first stunner as hilariously goofy proof.

 

The Canadian Destroyer needs to be a running or second rope version almost always. It looks much better when done this way, and he can still bring out the stalling version every once in a while. Don't take that as I'm one of the many detractors of the move, since I do like it even the non-reeling them in version. He started, or I noticed more that he's doing that when the opponent isn't in my mind "damaged" enough to quickly counter it.

 

Fifteen minute rough match, fine. Five minute squash? Please use something else.

[eirejmcmahon 0]

Pretty much lost interest - haven't watched a show since the last PPV and didn't know FR was on tomorrow till I saw this thread.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

The scissors kick exposes the business.... Who would sand slouched over for 5 seconds when wrestling Booker T!?

 

I voted no, because I don't have the money... not that I ever have money to spend on wrestling PPVs. The last PPV I actally payed to see was the Invasion..

[Styles 0]

Pretty much lost interest - haven't watched a show since the last PPV and didn't know FR was on tomorrow till I saw this thread.

If you enjoyed the last PPV, why not give this one a shot?

[Guest LooneyTune]

Pretty much lost interest - haven't watched a show since the last PPV and didn't know FR was on tomorrow till I saw this thread.

If you enjoyed the last PPV, why not give this one a shot?

If this were WWE, that would be like saying "If you liked Survivor Series, why not get Armageddon?" and everyone knows the answer to that... I hope.

[Vyce 0]

The scissors kick exposes the business.... Who would sand slouched over for 5 seconds when wrestling Booker T!?

This is off-topic, of course, but I personally think the scissors kick is perfectly fine as a finisher.

 

Unfortunately, there is very little psychology in the WWE anymore, so we don't have Booker T working on someone's abdominals for the entire match to set it up.

[Guest LooneyTune]

The Scissors Kick is horribly planned out. It doesn't expose the business though.

 

The Peoples Elbow, although silly, could actually hurt. A sharp elbow drop to the chest doesn't tickle. It's just how it's played out. Remember, when he first used the move, it was the most heatless thing ever, so he did something to get the crowd into it.

 

The WORM is pretty pathetic, but only when it actually wins a match (which at the current rate, is once a decade).

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

It doesn't matter if the move is pretty or not, because I think it's a good spot. But that's my point: it's a good highspot, not a good move, if that makes any sense.

 

And if TNA was true about pushing people the fans wanted to see, then not only would Monty Brown have been World champion two months ago, but Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and Randy Savage would have NEVER been brought in, and Kid Kash would be one of the top 3 heels in the company.

[Styles 0]

Pretty much lost interest - haven't watched a show since the last PPV and didn't know FR was on tomorrow till I saw this thread.

If you enjoyed the last PPV, why not give this one a shot?

If this were WWE, that would be like saying "If you liked Survivor Series, why not get Armageddon?" and everyone knows the answer to that... I hope.

No, it's different because TNA is literally trying to survive and are still new to the 3 hour PPV world. WWE has had many years of shows and it's survival doesn't rely on a few people ordering their shows. If someone liked what they saw at Turning Point I'd hope they'd order Final Resolution if they're able to to support TNA's survival.

[Exslade ZX 0]

It doesn't matter if the move is pretty or not, because I think it's a good spot. But that's my point: it's a good highspot, not a good move, if that makes any sense.

At one time, and even now at times, the piledriver was a credible finisher..or 'move'. So why shouldn't this be? I mean, are you saying, he should do the Canadian Destroyer, as a move for a pop. And then after that, end a match with say...a really hard clothesline? Lol.

 

May not have been a good example, but couldn't really think of a good move. But you get the point. A high spot is usually just that...a spot, somethign you expect to get the really long two count, with the opponent just getting out. The Destroyer, is definitely not a move that should be kicked out of. So it's not just some random high spot..

[Guest Evolution]

I still think having Petey using a jumping piledriver or something and having the Canadian Destroyer as a counter to a backdrop counter out of his jumping piledriver would be badass.

[RedJed 0]

It doesn't matter if the move is pretty or not, because I think it's a good spot. But that's my point: it's a good highspot, not a good move, if that makes any sense.

 

And if TNA was true about pushing people the fans wanted to see, then not only would Monty Brown have been World champion two months ago, but Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and Randy Savage would have NEVER been brought in, and Kid Kash would be one of the top 3 heels in the company.

I hear ya on the Nash, Hall, and Savage comment - as I agree all should never have been brought in if they can't offer any real value to the company. Hall and Nash should have been tag champs (for a short run) at this point and getting to the point where they should be putting another team over. Instead we have Team Canada v. AMW, a match where I am rather giving a fuck less about seeing.

 

With Kid Kash, I dunno.....I just dont see what's so apparently special about this guy other than that he has good mic skills. His ring work is not as good as it was back in the ECW days and his heat isnt as top notch as some people think he's getting. His attitude doesnt help his case either.

[eirejmcmahon 0]

Pretty much lost interest - haven't watched a show since the last PPV and didn't know FR was on tomorrow till I saw this thread.

If you enjoyed the last PPV, why not give this one a shot?

Are you on commission ?

 

If any of the matches turn out to be particularly good, I might download them later.

 

Their refusal to properly utilize their roster at the expense of bringing in over the hill has beens and keeping the title on JJ means that I don't feel particularly obliged to help them stay in business.