Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 Post some What if scenarios. What if Ric Flair is unable to return to the ring after the plane crash. What if Verne Gagne gives Hogan a title run? Make it scenarios that could have happpened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 Vince McMahon would have catered to the fans more from WMX-7 until now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 What if Hogan went through on his promise to job to Bret at Summerslam '93? What if Steve Austin's career DID end at Summerslam '97? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 24, 2005 Hogan never promised to job to Hart. Hart even said several times that it was never a planned angle, unless Vince McMahon built a time machine to erase history (I made the part about the time machine up for effect). The match was a "What If?" in itself, and never fully planned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 Bret v Hogan was planned for SummerSlam of 1993. They even shot photos for promotional posters for the event with Hogan and Hart both holding the WWF Title belt. From that, one can logically assume that, at the very least, Hogan was ok with wrestling Bret. The problem came when Hogan was asked to lose to Bret, which Hogan didn't want to do, because of the mentality that Bret was, in Hogan's eyes, too small. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 If a poster was ever made for that, I would kill to see it. I believe that the match was planned and obviously both men knew about it but, IIRC, Bret said in his shoot that he had no idea that it was ever scheduled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hass of Pain Report post Posted January 24, 2005 What if The Von Erichs would have all lived? (My guess, Texas wrestling would still be as strong as Memphis and the family could have become nationwide stars) What if Tod Gordon would have failed with Eastern Championship Wrestling and ECW as we know it had never existed. Would WWE even still be in business? (My guess is that best case scenario WWE would be a lot worse and most likely they would have either gone out of business or scaled way down) What if Vince McMahon hadn't been able to aquire Roddy Piper for his nationwide expansion? (My guess, Wrestlemania wouldn't have been nearly as successful and wouldn't have generated nearly the buzz) What if the WWE steroid scandal would have put Vince McMahon in prison for a decade? What if it would have never happened and popular wrestlers didn't have to disappear to avoid suspicion, and Hogan didn't shrink and look frail to the WWF fans? What if Hogan would have gone over the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania VI? What if Ted Dibiase would have won the title at Wrestlemania IV as originally planned? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 What if Owen Hart was still alive? Would he have been a world champion by now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 If the Von Erich's had lived, Texas would still have died, simply because the Von Erich's were going to self-destruct anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 24, 2005 What if Owen Hart was still alive? Would he have been a world champion by now? He wasn't even in line for the throne and was going to retire most likely at the end of the year. He saved up plenty of money from the years of wresting and wanted to spend time at home to be with his family. And I'd also like to see this Hogan/Bret poster, since I've never seen or heard of it before. (I removed several words of sarcasm, because I really don't want to argue over something that didn't even happen) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hass of Pain Report post Posted January 24, 2005 If the Von Erich's had lived, Texas would still have died, simply because the Von Erich's were going to self-destruct anyway. I disagree. I think that if the Von Erichs would have remained reasonably clean and World Class would have stayed as strong as it was on ESPN, they would have eventually become to the NWA what Hulk Hogan was to the WWF. It was only a matter of time before they all worked semi-full schedules for the NWA or the WWF with the type of star power they were gathering, and they were the young, good looking, charismatic type of guys who would have done good business for the NWA with both young males and females alike. They could have gone to the WWF as well, but either way I think it would have just strengthened the Texas territory to one that could still draw locally today as well as Memphis can with Jerry Lawler and Bill Dundee instead of killing it dead when all of their heroes started dying. If he would have stayed clean and kept all of his vital appendages intact, Kerry Von Erich would have been one of the biggest stars ever and I honestly think he's the one guy who could have made the Hogan push work if Vince wouldn't have been able to bring The Hulk in. I guess we'll never know though, which is a real shame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 wwf magazine did an artcle about bret/hogan in 93 I used to have it but sadly my magazine collection of 91-94 was recently destoryed in a flood) the article basically was sying that bret might be mad at hogan for going for the title right after bret had lost it. they were basically implying a bret/hogan feud was to come. However Yoko being the dominant heel through most of 93 was probably a better idea that bret as he hadnt really clicked as champion in early 93 since I just got the foley dvd what if mick foley had more seriously injured himself in HIAC? vince might have toned down the excess violence and spots and wwf may have lost the monday night war what if lex luger won the title at summerslam 93? then againwhat if luger won the nwa title back in the late 80s as he was constanly scheduled to what if the sid-arn scissor fight never happened? what if Montreal didnt happen? what if sting had gone over clean aginst hogan at starrcade 97 and ended the nWo angle? and finally what if the wwf hadnt completly wasted the invasion angle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlaskanHero 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 What if Bret never got screwed at SurSer 97? What if he never even talked to WCW and stuck with the WWF? I'm surprised that one wasn't asked already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 24, 2005 Jericholic, those are too many hard ones, so I'll field an easy one... Luger/Yoko at SSlam was always planned with the CO finish. Luger was to win at WM, but when the crowd was almost 100% pro Bret in the Rumble controversy, it was changed. The story about Luger shooting off his mouth in a bar the night before is 100% fake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 If Bret never left, I would think that meant the Mr Mcmahon character never came to be. Bret wouldve have lost the title to austin at wm 14 to finally blow off that feud, then...... maybe turned face again in the us ? i dont know. most likely owen might not be dead right now as you have to think that bret would have talked him out of the stunt or maybe the blue blazer thing never happens at all and the harts tag team the mcmahon-austin feud never happens, austin defends title against most likely bret and owen for awhile. ,maybe the bulldog too. Foley probably never breaks through as a main eventer bret contines wrestling through 2000 maybe retires in 01 with a farewell at wm 17 and becomes an agent and/or booker its a real chain reaction there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankie Williams 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2005 What if.... ....WCW and ECW still existed. ....there was never a Gulf War ....Chyna and HHH were still an item ....Shawn Michaels never lost his smile ....Kwang took off like Steve Austin did ....WrestleMania 1 was a HUGE flop ....the original planned main event of Hulk Hogan vs. Zeus happened at WM 6 ....Jim Ross was never able to come back from his bouts with Bells Paulsy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 24, 2005 If WM 1 flopped, there's no need to answer all the other questions. WM was either success or bust. If bust, WWF would've been dead the next day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted January 24, 2005 ....Chyna and HHH were still an item Then basically what we'd have is Triple H as a one or two time champion and, provided that Brock still left and so on, we'd have a dismal main event scene and new blood working its way up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted January 25, 2005 ....Chyna and HHH were still an item Jericho would be a Multi-Time Champion and be "next Rock" as in the most charismatic and over face on the roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted January 25, 2005 What if.... ....WCW and ECW still existed. We would have far better wrestling. WWE would still dominate, but WCW and ECW's compatition would make WWE try agian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2005 we'd have a dismal main event scene as opposed to now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 25, 2005 ECW can't be a what if, unless you ask "What if ECW wasn't millions of dollars in debt" first. WCW however, is another story. It would make the McMahons try harder obviously, and that's about it. Same as it was in the very end of the 90's and before WCW died. Lots of meaningless stuff, but with direction at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2005 What if Austin's career did end at Summerslam 97? The WWF would be dead. No questions about it in my mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
natey2k4 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2005 What if Hogan didnt hold down Benoit, Jericho, Malenko and Alex Wright in WCW?.. Oh, we'd still have two major companies and a third minor (TNA) in business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 25, 2005 What if Hogan didnt hold down Benoit, Jericho, Malenko and Alex Wright in WCW?.. Oh, we'd still have two major companies and a third minor (TNA) in business. Kevin Nash you must be forgeting. The man who booked HIMSELF to go over Goldberg at Starrcade '98, which was the beginning of the chain reaction of WCW's death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hass of Pain Report post Posted January 25, 2005 What if Hogan didnt hold down Benoit, Jericho, Malenko and Alex Wright in WCW?.. Oh, we'd still have two major companies and a third minor (TNA) in business. Malenko would have remained too small and uncharismatic to ascend much higher up the card, Jericho and Benoit would have defected anyway, Alex Wright would be the same forgotten weirdo that he is now, WCW would have tanked anyway because they were paying talent entirely too much and things would pretty much be exactly where they are now. Plus, if WCW wouldn't have died as you suggested, TNA would have never even existed because they wouldn't feel the need to fill the void that WCW left. Just my speculation though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hass of Pain Report post Posted January 25, 2005 What if Hogan didnt hold down Benoit, Jericho, Malenko and Alex Wright in WCW?.. Oh, we'd still have two major companies and a third minor (TNA) in business. Kevin Nash you must be forgeting. The man who booked HIMSELF to go over Goldberg at Starrcade '98, which was the beginning of the chain reaction of WCW's death. Actually I would go with giving the ultimate dream match in Goldberg/Hogan away on free television with little build just to finally get a win in the ratings as the beginning of the chain reaction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 25, 2005 That wasn't a smart business move, but it didn't hurt them either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hass of Pain Report post Posted January 25, 2005 How did it not hurt them? If they would have carried the match out until Starrcade it would have been the biggest drawing WCW pay-per-view of all time. They didn't even have any build towards the title or any meaningful feud between Goldberg and the NWO leading into the match. At first they were going to do Goldberg/Hogan as a dark match because they knew it would pack people into the Georgia Dome, and even then a lot of people in the company were skeptical about giving away possibly the biggest WCW money match ever to 40,000 fans not on television, and they 3 days before the event they decided to do it televised on the next Nitro without even advertising it ahead of time. No build, no lead in, they just decided on a whim to have Hogan do his biggest profile job since The Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania VI on free television out of left field in a match that should have made WCW millions of dollars and generated unheard of interest in Starrcade that would have even made Sting/Hogan pale in comparison. That was the beginning of the end of WCW in my opinion. They had nowhere to go with Goldberg after that and could have carried his streak out for months, and the writing was on the wall for WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 25, 2005 You make a good point, but I cannot take you seriously because you spelled Haas wrong in your name. If you want to get technical though, the Sting/Hogan Starrcade '97 angle could've been the beginning of the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
