No Terrell Owens in Super Bowl

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Why in the fuck would you fire Reid for that? The man has had an incredible run in Philly, thebest in the NFL over the past 4 years. No amount of TO's stupidity could amount to him being fired because he let a player decide to put his own well being at risk.

Since 2000, Andy Reid is 59-21 (66-25 including playoffs) with records of back to back 11-5 seasons, then back to back 12-4 seasons, before going 13-3 this year.. Since 2000, Bill Belichick is 53-27 (61-27 including playoffs) with records of 5-11, 11-5, 9-7 and back to back 14-2 seasons. Belichick has won all the championships, but Reid has been consistently at the top, moreso than any other coach in these past 5 seasons.

 

On an interesting sidenote, Green Bay Packers coach Mike Sherman has amassed the exact same regular season record as Bill Belichick since 2000 (the year he was hired) of 53-27, while going 9-7, 12-4 back to back, and 10-6 back to back. That 2-4 playoff record is disgusting, however.

You said past four seasons, that includes this season, since you included it.

 

That means he has:

 

Season One: Won The Super Bowl

 

Season Two: Finished Nine and Seven

 

Season Three: Won The Super Bowl

 

Season Four: Beat the two best teams in the league, ready to beat the third and WIN THE SUPER BOWL!

 

Two in four years is greater then one, THREE in four years, leading a terrible team to a dynasty in four years is even greater then zero.

 

This doesn't even take into account the genius he's been when he's had the deck stacked against him in previous matchups. Combine all of this and you'd be crazy to not think he's been the best coach in the NFL for the past four years. You don't actually believe Reid has a better record, since at this point before this year's super bowl, he's not on the same level as Belichick, you're just trying to defend your point and not admit you're wrong. ADMIT IT~!

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So Andy Reid has the better regular season record.

 

You don't coach in the NFL to have the best regular season record.

 

In TO news: OMG!!~!~! HE PARTICIPATED IN 10 PLAYS TODAY~!~! HE'S GOING TO CATCH 15 PASSES FOR 200 YARDS AND 4TDS~!~!~!

 

Sorry, but that's essentially the belief of my jackass friend who's an Eagles fan.

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So Andy Reid has the better regular season record.

 

You don't coach in the NFL to have the best regular season record.

 

You coach in the NFL to win games. Andy Reid had bad luck, losing the conference championships the last three years. For argument's sake, we can not assume either team will win the Super Bowl next week. So its two championships for Belicheck at the moment. Belicheck has the better postseason record with those two Super Bowl wins. However, the Patriots missed the playoffs in 2002. That has to be considered a black mark on his record. Reid does not have a championship, as of yet. But in the last four years, the Eagles have been strong every single year. It may well come down to this weekend's matchup, but Andy Reid has taken the Eagles further than they have ever gone before, and I honestly think he is the best coach in the NFL.

[Guest Vitamin X]

This doesn't even take into account the genius he's been when he's had the deck stacked against him in previous matchups. Combine all of this and you'd be crazy to not think he's been the best coach in the NFL for the past four years. You don't actually believe Reid has a better record, since at this point before this year's super bowl, he's not on the same level as Belichick, you're just trying to defend your point and not admit you're wrong. ADMIT IT~!

No, you misunderstood what I said by being the best coach over the past 4 years.. Well technically 5 since I included 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and this recent 2004 seasons. Belichick is probably the best actual coach, however Reid has had the better record. Look it up anywhere if you don't believe me.

 

Also interesting is that during this timespan Reid has never had a worse record than the previous year. That's the sign of a hell of a good coach. You don't stay that good and that consistent in the NFL (and even moreso than Belichick who won a Super Bowl and didn't even make the playoffs the following year) without having good coaching.

 

So Andy Reid has the better regular season record.

 

You don't coach in the NFL to have the best regular season record.

Did you forget that coaching in the regular season determines whether you make the playoffs and your positioning within them, or did you forget all about the 2002 season already?

 

Don't get me wrong, I hate the Eagles and I want them to lose and I love to watch the Patriots play. Defending Andy Reid makes me feel dirty, since I'd love to say that the Eagles aren't as good as they seem, but I'd be lying if I said so.

 

It may well come down to this weekend's matchup, but Andy Reid has taken the Eagles further than they have ever gone before, and I honestly think he is the best coach in the NFL.

This Super Bowl is certainly a matchup of the two best coaches in the league, to be honest. Which is why I'm personally excited to see it. You can look at the Eagles and know that if they'll lose they'll be right back, though. Philly will have their championship, if not this year, then maybe the next or after.

 

EDIT: And what if Reid had won any of those NFC Championships? The `01 Eagles would have probably killed the `01 Patriots. Same goes for the `02 Eagles against the `02 Raiders. They probably would have been massacred at the hands of the `03 Patriots, though, that was one of those kinds of teams where you just saw them go into the playoffs and know that nothing was going to stop them.

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To get back to topic, I just think that if it's in any way possible for TO to play he will do so. It's all about RISK vs. REWARD here. I personally think the reward, a possible Super Bowl Championship - which is the whole reason for playing a sport -far outweighs the risks of maybe never reaching the SB again and maybe never playing again.

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EDIT: And what if Reid had won any of those NFC Championships? The `01 Eagles would have probably killed the `01 Patriots. Same goes for the `02 Eagles against the `02 Raiders. They probably would have been massacred at the hands of the `03 Patriots, though, that was one of those kinds of teams where you just saw them go into the playoffs and know that nothing was going to stop them.

This is just foolish "what If" that has no standing. You have no proof that they would have killed the 01 pats, and I don't know what you're basing any of this on. I mean really, Gannon would not have had a bad game against the Eagles like he did the Bucs since Jon Gruden wasn't on their team.

 

All this talk of the Pats only beating the Colts because they weren't on their own turf, indoors where they run things. Guess who they played in the 01-02 super bowl? The Greatest Show On Earth, ON TURF. A team that was like the COlts, except they actually WON a super bowl and were HUGE favourites. Going on about their MAX Q and all that crap. What does Belichick do? He shuts them down on the best possible place that they could have played in. What do they do the game before? They beat another heavily favoured team without OMG TOMBRADYDACUTEST~! The 2001-02 Pats proved themselves the best in the league. How do I know the Eagles would have killed them when they couldn't shut down the team the Pats did so handily?

 

Stop whining, the Pats were the best team in each of the three years they've won the super bowl...err two.

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In other news, no moron out there still believes Rush that Donovon McNabb is overrated because he's black do they? That was one of the stupidest things I've heard, and I was surprised that anyone was defending that one.

 

Sad thing is, some people might still feel it to be true.

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Can we CLOSE this thread?

 

Because I saw TO making cuts and catching footballs on TV last night.

 

:) :)

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In other news, no moron out there still believes Rush that Donovon McNabb is overrated because he's black do they? That was one of the stupidest things I've heard, and I was surprised that anyone was defending that one.

 

Sad thing is, some people might still feel it to be true.

 

That wasn't what Rush said, he said he felt that they rushed to push Donovan BECAUSE he was black and that he wasn't deserving of the hype he received.

 

I agree with that statement. Just like I believe they pushed Eli Manning hype too much because his last name was Manning and he wasn't ready for it. McNabb needed one more season like this one to prove he deserved the hype.

 

If Rush was stupid enough to believe McNabb was no good because he was black then he's a moron. McNabb struggled because he was still learning the position and now he deserves all the hype and more.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

In other news, no moron out there still believes Rush that Donovon McNabb is overrated because he's black do they? That was one of the stupidest things I've heard, and I was surprised that anyone was defending that one.

 

Sad thing is, some people might still feel it to be true.

 

That wasn't what Rush said, he said he felt that they rushed to push Donovan BECAUSE he was black and that he wasn't deserving of the hype he received.

 

I agree with that statement. Just like I believe they pushed Eli Manning hype too much because his last name was Manning and he wasn't ready for it. McNabb needed one more season like this one to prove he deserved the hype.

 

If Rush was stupid enough to believe McNabb was no good because he was black then he's a moron. McNabb struggled because he was still learning the position and now he deserves all the hype and more.

But it's foolish, the same season he said that McNabb had MVP like numbers and an MVP like season with no one on his team. He doesn't get the same push that a lot of other QB's get, and he was on his way to a third straight NFC Championship game, or rather had two before. It's not like he had bad seasons before that. He was just plain wrong in that instance. Although it didn't come out, I find it hard to believe that Rush didn't have personal race issues regarding the subject, seeing as how he didn't have much of a leg to stand on with this issue.

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How do I know the Eagles would have killed them when they couldn't shut down the team the Pats did so handily?

You don't, because this New England team that "shut down" the Rams "so handily" needed a last second two minute drill and FG to win the game. Who's to say the Eagles defense wouldn't have held up against that?

 

Stop whining, the Pats were the best team in each of the three years they've won the super bowl...err two.

First off, there's no need to be making false accusations of whining when all I'm doing is proving a point and disagreeing with you. If you call that whining, you seriously need to look into the definition of it again. The Patriots' most dominating year to win the Super Bowl was last year without a doubt. Ironically enough the Steelers had the best record in the NFL in `01 and this year as well. Even the Patriots themselves will admit they didn't feel they were as good in `01 as they were/are in `03-`04, and I agree.

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I'm not going to say that you're whining, but it is tough to take when someone throws "What-if?" and "probably" scenarios into an argument, and tries to disguise them as points.

 

Would the Eagles have beaten New England in the '01 Super Bowl? Potentially. But the fact that they couldn't even get their makes that argument moot. Same with the TB/Oakland SB or last year's ... it's easy to sit here and say, "oh, if they'd just gotten there they would have won". But the truth is that they DIDN'T get there, and thus that argument loses some of it's luster.

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Your argument is not whining so much as it is just blatanly lacking in terms of actual merit. You're not making a valid point so much as you are just...I actually don't know what you're using as "proof".

 

 

If the Bills beat the Titans in 2000 they probably would have made it to the super bowl and beat the Rams, on account of the fact that they took the Titans to the end of the game in their home stadium, unheard of at the time, and the Titans won on a bullshit call . Could this have happened? Perhaps. But should I be able to say the Bills are a better team than the Rams in 2000 based on this? No, it's retarded and doesn't really make any sense. The Rams got it done, the Bills didn't. The Rams actually beat the team the Bills didn't, what's a better way to guage the more talented team?

 

The Patriots team this year and last were better then their 2001 team, but that 2001 team is still better then the Eagles were that year.

 

They shut down the Rams defense on turf, the greatest offense in the history of the league...or at least it was until the Pats got there. They have a tendency to beat all the heavy favourites, and show why Belichick is the best coach of the past four years, because he shuts down Peyton Manning to no TD passes, makes the rookie look more like a rookie then he has previously, stop the Bus, stop the Greatest Show on Earth, etc. etc. He's better then Andy Reid.

 

I love the Bills, I love Marv Levy, but I won't say he's a better coach then Bill Parcells, even if he did go to four straight Super Bowls.

 

EDIT: To make me sound like not as much of an ass

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And you have to consider this: It took Belichick two seasons to get his team to and win a Super Bowl. Reid had THREE chances to take his team to the big game, two at home, and gacked all three times. They're only about 6 games apart in their records, so you have to weigh that fact heavily when debating who's the better coach.

 

That 2002 season was a result of the defense getting too old (with Otis Smith and Laywer Milloy having pretty crappy seasons), and a strech of really bad play in the middle of the season. They were getting it back together by the end of the season and barely missed the playoffs (the Rams had a far worse dropoff in '02).

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I'll admit that I didn't believe in McNabb until two Sundays ago. However, after watching him play i that NFC Championship game, I'd have to say that he's undeniably one of the top five quarterbacks in the league.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Your argument is not whining so much as it is just blatanly lacking in terms of actual merit. You're not making a valid point so much as you are just...I actually don't know what you're using as "proof".

OK. Point well-taken, then. However...

 

They shut down the Rams defense on turf, the greatest offense in the history of the league...or at least it was until the Pats got there. They have a tendency to beat all the heavy favourites, and show why Belichick is the best coach of the past four years, because he shuts down Peyton Manning to no TD passes, makes the rookie look more like a rookie then he has previously, stop the Bus, stop the Greatest Show on Earth, etc. etc. He's better then Andy Reid.

 

That's debateable. Not to take anything away from St. Louis, but the `98 Vikings were easily the most dominant offense I'd ever seen in my lifetime.

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Oh no, I don't believe that either, but that's what they were being touted as, until they met the Pats. Ditto with the Colts. I'm just saying, that all the offenses that were supposed to be the best ever were shout down by the Pats. The fact that they did it on turf has to be taken into consideration too, since that leaves them at a huge disadvantage.

[Guest Vitamin X]

That is of course discounting the speed New England has on defense, though.

 

I actually picked the Patriots to win that year. One of my better SB picks.

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That is of course discounting the speed New England has on defense, though.

 

I actually picked the Patriots to win that year. One of my better SB picks.

Ha, same here, but that was mainly because I tired of all that Max Q bullshit.