kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Time to straighten this out -- hippie. And I didn't know INXS was a RACIST -- I thought he just hated Jews and Americans and any other freedom-loving group... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 I wonder how long it'll be before THIS guy gets raked across the coals. I WONDER how long it will be before he gets called "anti-american". How long before he gets accused of putting the troops in danger or inspiring the terrorists? Hmm, his hair IS going grey. "Stupid grey headed liberal elite! Hurry up and get fat so we can punish you for all the years RUSH had to put up with it!" I wonder how long it'll take for any criticism of this guy to suddenly become "You're calling him anti-American". I mean, if saying that Kerry's war protests might have been over-the-top = "You're questioning my patriotism", God knows what can be misconstrued here. But, it could be worse --- he could be called an idiotic liar --- you know, like the Dems are doing to Condi Rice. -=Mike She IS an idiotic liar though, well a liar at any rate. Sadly, that "idiot" is infinitely more intelligent than you've ever dreamed of being. I could toss her resume up for you, letting you get a glimpse of what fucking intellect ACTUALLY looks like, you insufferable twat. But, as expected, you can't trust those of a darker hue, right INXS? They all have to be liars, right? -=Mike Hitler was an intelligent man. No, i'm not equation Condi with Hitler, but rather acknowledging the fallacy in such an argument. And I think you should give the race card a rest, especially considering your countries recent attitude towards Arab Americans. You mean allowing them to become CITIZENS of our country --- something our more enlightened brethren in Europe are FAR less willing to do? Is that what you mean? You mean our refusal to pass laws preventing criticism of religion, something even Britain fell for and passed? Yeah, lecture me more about the moral superiority of Europe. Your continent has only ignored genocide repeatedly and committed human rights atrocities that set the standard for human rights atrocities (the French behavior in the Ivory Coast makes Abu Gharib look like a playful game of patty-cake --- but since it involves the French and, well, Africans, the continent of Europe couldn't conceivably give less of a shit. Darker hues don't matter to the left of Europe) and decided that the Jews should be let to rot rather than protected. Don't waste your breath in your attempts to portray America as the bad guy. You are, as always, incorrect. There has been no more fervent home for evil in the history of mankind than the continent of Europe. The tradition continues, it should be noted. Hitler, quite frankly, was an idiot who could give good speeches and had some solid organizational skills. I'd put Jim Jones ahead of him in terms of pure intellect --- and Jim Jones was a bloody idiot. Hitler was brighter than, say, Mussolini --- but in terms of leaders, he was dumber than you asininely perceive Bush to be. If anybody in that shitheap of a continent did what Bush is doing now, there would have been no Holocaust. Then again, if we didn't enter World War I and turn the balance towards the Allies, they wouldn't have produced such a horrid treaty in the Treaty of Versailles and a lot of the problems would not have occurred. He was a shit artist, a political moron (go ahead, try and read Mein Kampf and come to a different conclusion), a shit military tactician, a shit leader, a shit architect, and gained power simply because the entire German gov't was basically inept at that point. Rice is a brilliant woman --- far more intelligent than anybody involved in any government on the western half of that shitheap of a continent across the Atlantic Ocean. You want an idiot --- look at Chirac. And INXS, you aren't just a racist --- you are an OBVIOUS one who is too blind to see it himself. -=Mike ...Iced in for the day... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 I could toss her resume up for you, letting you get a glimpse of what fucking intellect ACTUALLY looks like, you insufferable twat. But, as expected, you can't trust those of a darker hue, right INXS? They all have to be liars, right? -=Mike ...and I'll show you what intellect doesn't look like. See above. 30 year old man trolling Current Events folder of internet wrestling forum calling people "insufferable twats". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 I could toss her resume up for you, letting you get a glimpse of what fucking intellect ACTUALLY looks like, you insufferable twat. But, as expected, you can't trust those of a darker hue, right INXS? They all have to be liars, right? -=Mike ...and I'll show you what intellect doesn't look like. See above. 30 year old man trolling Current Events folder of internet wrestling forum calling people "insufferable twats". Wow, smitty, you STILL can't make a cogent point. You know what's funny? You're simply a carbon copy of every shit liberal theory there has ever been. You couldn't be more of a cliche without changing your name to John Smith. Yet you dare to refer to anybody else's intellect. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Dat hurt my feewings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Dat hurt my feewings. This is me utterly not giving anything resembling a shit. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorin Industries 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Who shit in your cornflakes this morning Mike? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Who shit in your cornflakes this morning Mike? Anytime I hear a European lecture America on respect for human rights, I'll simply toss their record --- past AND present --- back at them. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorin Industries 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Then again without Europe, there would be no U.S. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Then again without Europe, there would be no U.S. Without the US, there'd be nothing but Germany and Russia in that cesspool. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Hey, I should be able to change your name and stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Hey, I should be able to change your name and stuff. Why not work on an original thought, first? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Hey, I should be able to change your name and stuff. Why not work on an original thought, first? -=Mike Okay, I'll come up with some... Um...George Soros funds the DailyKos blog! Uh...Canada has a higher rate of violent crime than the US! Wait, someone already came up with those ideas... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Hey, I should be able to change your name and stuff. Why not work on an original thought, first? -=Mike Okay, I'll come up with some... Um...George Soros funds the DailyKos blog! Uh...Canada has a higher rate of violent crime than the US! Wait, someone already came up with those ideas... Canada does. Deal with it, skippy. And considering Kos' ALREADY shady-funding (gee, he admits to having worked for several candidates --- but only mentions one name. Weird), Soros will end up being tied into it. Hate to burst your cliched bubble. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorin Industries 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Mike, i'm trying to be pleasent but your rabid anti-european stance is annoying me. You sit there and point out terriable awful things Europeans have done, I could sit here and point out terrible things that the U.S. has done. When it comes down to it theres just people, both good and bad. Its a shame that two continets with so much in common have to have so much bad blood because the past can't stay in the past. Nazism is gone, Communisim is gone, most of the things you critzies us for are in the past. Things aren't perfect, and lets face it their never going to be, thats just human nature. Is this constant bickering with each other over the little things really worth it? Hmmm, was meant to be just replying to Mike, insteda i'm addressing all the worlds ills, must be because its Sunday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Mike, i'm trying to be pleasent but your rabid anti-european stance is annoying me. Tough shit. I've heard enough of the incessant Bush-bashing from Europe, so it's time those morons take a nice long look in the mirror and recognize that their shit stinks rather badly. You sit there and point out terriable awful things Europeans have done, I could sit here and point out terrible things that the U.S. has done. Been done. Ad infinitum. You'd add nothing new to the usual litany of leftist bitching and moaning. When it comes down to it theres just people, both good and bad. Its a shame that two continets with so much in common have to have so much bad blood because the past can't stay in the past. Nazism is gone, Communisim is gone, most of the things you critzies us for are in the past. Europe has a wonderful history to look at. They've accomplished some stunning accomplishments. Europe ALSO likes to gloss over the insanely dark and evil chapters of their history. If they wish to dwell on the negatives of America, they had best be prepared for a study of THEIR actions. European countries conspired with Saddam to steal money from Iraqis. Europeans have been implicated in the sex scandals in Africa. Europeans have a problem with anti-Semitism (In a recent poll, Germans expressed a desire to not discuss the Holocaust any more WHILE stating that Israel is in a war of annihilation with Palestine). The French have committed atrocities in the Ivory Coast that trump anything the US has DREAMED of in Iraq or Afghanistan. You wish to criticize the US? Feel free. Don't get upset when somebody reminds you that Europe has no place, whatsoever, to criticize. Things aren't perfect, and lets face it their never going to be, thats just human nature. Is this constant bickering with each other over the little things really worth it? Hmmm, was meant to be just replying to Mike, insteda i'm addressing all the worlds ills, must be because its Sunday. No, it's not. But the US and Bush have tried, for years, to work with Europe. And we've seen the European reaction. So, it's time to remind a lot of Europeans that THEY have no room to refer to anybody else's evil. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Canada does. Deal with it, skippy. http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...pic=63872&st=90 And considering Kos' ALREADY shady-funding (gee, he admits to having worked for several candidates --- but only mentions one name. Weird), Soros will end up being tied into it. If you say it, then it's gotta be true! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorin Industries 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 You wish to criticize the US? Feel free. Don't get upset when somebody reminds you that Europe has no place, whatsoever, to criticize. I'm fine with that, Europe has been a harsh and brutal place through the ages and theres a lot to criticize. What does annoy me is you sitting there spouting off your usual jingoism, and throwing out highly charged buzz words like "Evil" to show how the U.S. are nothing but saints while Europeans are a bunch of muck savages who are barely able to keep from slaughtering each other. I'm fine with criticism but lets keep it fucking balanced for gods sake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 You wish to criticize the US? Feel free. Don't get upset when somebody reminds you that Europe has no place, whatsoever, to criticize. I'm fine with that, Europe has been a harsh and brutal place through the ages and theres a lot to criticize. What does annoy me is you sitting there spouting off your usual jingoism, and throwing out highly charged buzz words like "Evil" to show how the U.S. are nothing but saints while Europeans are a bunch of muck savages who are barely able to keep from slaughtering each other. I'm fine with criticism but lets keep it fucking balanced for gods sake Who's said the US was pristine? We've done some horrible things in our past. Our leaving the S. Vietnamese to get slaughtered by the N. Vietnamese in 1975 was a sin. Our ignoring of the Rwandan genocide in the 1990's was quite the blight. But it's not like the US "sins" are anything but widely discussed. The European left has no problems criticizing US policy (how many times have people mentioned the US actions in Central America?) but are FAR less willing to discuss what they have done historically (do you see the French discussing their actions in Algeria?). I am providing the balance that is missing from the debate. The US is not perfect --- but it is laughable to hear Europeans claim that Bush is "evil" and that we're the worst country on Earth, especially considering that more than a few European countries PRESENTLY are committing some high-level atrocities. I focus on European problems because Europeans obsess over American problems. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorin Industries 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 See, that I can appreciate and I can agree with, but i'd say its more human nature than anything else. Who wants to look at their own flaws when you can point out someone elses? Couldn't a large amount of Americans be considered the same way? How many Americans have a go at the French for WW2, and how many of the same would have a go at their ancestors fot the way they treated the Native Americans? I don't think that attitude is reserved solely for Europeans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 See, that I can appreciate and I can agree with, but i'd say its more human nature than anything else. Who wants to look at their own flaws when you can point out someone elses? Couldn't a large amount of Americans be considered the same way? How many Americans have a go at the French for WW2, and how many of the same would have a go at their ancestors fot the way they treated the Native Americans? I don't think that attitude is reserved solely for Europeans. I think Americans admit to their faults more than anybody else. We acknowledge what we did to the Native Americans. We acknowledge what we did to blacks. We acknowledge that our Middle East policies, outside of support for Israel, ended up backfiring horrificly. We acknowledge that supporting guys like Noriega and Maros was, at the best, a poor idea. The US will admit that we've done some bad things. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 And wow, what crap that BBC documentary looks like. So did the BBC become horribly biased while I wasn't watching or...? Just like to point out that this documentray was critically acclaimed by both left and right in the U.K. when it was first shown. That description is a bit erroneus, didn't really sum up the program properly I would hope that's true, because that description is just slathered in bias. And at least Jobber agrees with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 We acknowledge that our Middle East policies, outside of support for Israel, ended up backfiring horrificly WHEN!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 We acknowledge that our Middle East policies, outside of support for Israel, ended up backfiring horrificly WHEN!? Have you taken no political science or contemporary history courses? Have you never spoken to a liberal? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 We =/= liberals. We = the current administration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 We =/= liberals. We = the current administration. Well...I got nothing to add to that. That just blew my mind. -=Mike ...Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about. Sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Bah, I hate you. In case you really didn't understand, I was commenting on your comment (that's a load of a sentence) that we've admitted that our Middle East policies have backfired. However, I cannot recall a single statement that our administrations have had that imply our Middle East policies have been a failure -- at least, a single statement that takes culpability for that administration's policies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Bah, I hate you. In case you really didn't understand, I was commenting on your comment (that's a load of a sentence) that we've admitted that our Middle East policies have backfired. However, I cannot recall a single statement that our administrations have had that imply our Middle East policies have been a failure -- at least, a single statement that takes culpability for that administration's policies. Any administration who says "Well, our old policies didn't work" is simply passing the buck. Does anybody want Bush to state that Carter abandoning the Shah was a horrible idea? How about stating that Eisenhower's policy of supporting the overthrow of Massadega (I know that's REALLY poorly spelled) was idiotic to put in the Shah as retribution for them nationalizing British Petroleum interests? It would seem like nothing more than whining about the past. Educators freely admit it. Political operatives freely admit it. It's useless for Presidents to do so. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Get back to the question at hand, then. When did the Bush administration admit that their Middle East policies haven't worked? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Get back to the question at hand, then. When did the Bush administration admit that their Middle East policies haven't worked? Bush's policies ARE working. Iraq is having elections as we speak. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
